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Coates and Ibiam all are far more dependent on being set up than Wilson, and not one of the three you mentioned have anywhere near the same usage percentage. Stokes shoots 55%, but you're really missing the point if you think she's a more efficient scorer than Stewie.

I know what you mean and 53% is fine for that usage percentage...pretty good really but it's not necessarily something that strikes me as A-A worthy. At best, it raises the question of why doesn't she play more.
 
I know what you mean and 53% is fine for that usage percentage...pretty good really but it's not necessarily something that strikes me as A-A worthy. At best, it raises the question of why doesn't she play more.
My memory could be failing me, but weren't you the one that said Loyd had a good shooting percentage for a guard at 48% because she was the focal point of the defense and had to take so many shots?
 
Huskies Rule : GREAT POINT! I would like to add one more point: Coates has been out there making foul shots, short 2 point shots and big defensive plays to get SC into final four while Wilson has been playing like a freshman who found herself on the bench for many critical minutes. Apparently Dawn has reservations about her during crunch time. BTW Isn't Coates better than Wilson at this point?
Go Huskies
 
My memory could be failing me, but weren't you the one that said Loyd had a good shooting percentage for a guard at 48% because she was the focal point of the defense and had to take so many shots?

Yes. And I still think 47% is good for a high-usage guard. I don't know what you're driving at, especially because I already said that I think Wilson's percentage good, just not spectacular. Compare her to Nina Davis (58%), Tuck (60%), etc. etc.

Maybe I haven't seen SCar enough and Wilson takes more long shots that I credit her for. She's only taken 3 shots from 3, so that's not pushing it down.
 
Yes. And I still think 47% is good for a high-usage guard. I don't know what you're driving at, especially because I already said that I think Wilson's percentage good, just not spectacular. Compare her to Nina Davis (58%), Tuck (60%), etc. etc.

Maybe I haven't seen SCar enough and Wilson takes more long shots that I credit her for. She's only taken 3 shots from 3, so that's not pushing it down.
OK, fair enough.
 
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What exactly did Wilson do this season to qualify as AA?
I really don't know. From what I have seen, she only wants to go to her left and teams
are still letting her do it consistently. I really don't know what these coaches are looking
at when they watch film. Has anyone else noticed this?

Morgan Tuck has been unbelievable in the post.
 
I am wondering if those supporting Wilson over Tuck have seen the two actually play in a game(s) and not just examine numbers. Seems to me reasonable question.

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There are more than a few players on the HM list that I think deserved it more than Wilson THIS YEAR. No doubt her time will come, but these awards should be based on performance, not potential.

"awards should be based on performance, not potential."

Exactly. Trying to figure out how anyone could disagree with that.
 
Do you think that she (or any players on teams that win the national title) care about being named to all american teams like this? Do you envision players sulking over not getting named to one of these lists?
Not any specific award and not now. But if Morgan comes back .for a reunion when this team is being honored or on her senior night her name is not on WOH I think she would care. I would care.
 
My thoughts on A'ja are basically the same as they've been all season. She's good; props to her. I think the best freshman post is Turner, though. (edit for clarification): Turner is a more critical piece for her team than A'ja is, yet still maintains good offensive efficiency.

A'ja's presence on these lists says as much about momentum among the people choosing the lists as anything. A'ja made AA because people have thought she could have achieved that since before she put on an SC uniform, and they don't feel like changing their mind. ;)

Maybe she'll have an awakening in the Final Four, as Stewart did. Stewart was pretty indifferent in her freshman year as well before then. Of course, Stewart didn't make the AP list as a frosh...
 
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I think what people want is to see these lists chosen by some statistical or performance-based black and white algorithm that removes human error and bias. Too bad that's never going to happen. We as humans apparently like voting for things: presidents, all-Americans, American Idol, and so on.
 
I think what people want is to see these lists chosen by some statistical or performance-based black and white algorithm that removes human error and bias. Too bad that's never going to happen. We as humans apparently like voting for things: presidents, all-Americans, American Idol, and so on.

No need to ever watch games?
 
A'ja is a very good player. I've seen her shoot 3's. I know she played a lot, but I did wonder if anyone has every been named AA who didn't start for their team?
 
Wilson is a good player and likely will become a very good player. I thought she was the 3rd best frosh, after Mitchell and Turner. I'd put her in the top 30 or so, but not top 15.

Regarding freshmen, the truly impressive one was the one who led her team in scoring, made several threes against multiple opponents, helped steal a game at DePaul, almost stole a game against Rutgers, and finished 2nd behind Candace Parker for the AP POY. She's since won 2 NCAA titles, 2 WNBA titles, 1 Spanish League and 1 Euroleague title, 3 Chinese league titles, 2 FIBA gold medals, and 1 Olympic gold medal. SHE was a freshman!
 
A'ja is a very good player. I've seen her shoot 3's. I know she played a lot, but I did wonder if anyone has every been named AA who didn't start for their team?

You've seen Wilson shoot 3's? Really? And yesterday I saw chupacabra. This entire year Wilson attempted three 3-pointers. THREE. And she made a grand total of one. ONE. That's one more than none. Wilson knows her skill limitations, and any shot more than 8 feet from the basket is her Kryptonite. [I suspect those 3 attempts were likely shot-clock violation heaves.]

*I can understand you supporting your player, but please don't mention shooting three's in the same sentence as A'ja Wilson. It's silly.
 
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I know what you mean and 53% is fine for that usage percentage...pretty good really but it's not necessarily something that strikes me as A-A worthy. At best, it raises the question of why doesn't she play more.
I can't believe Aja was chosen over Blake Dietrick.

I like Aja but c'mon!
 
I would love to see a statistical comparison between Wilson and Tuck. Tuck was a vital part of the #1 ranked team and Wilson was a sub. I believe she was chosen over other more worthy players based on her hype and for political purposes.
 
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You've seen Wilson shoot 3's? Really? And yesterday I saw chupacabra. This entire year Wilson attempted three 3-pointers. THREE. And she made a grand total of one. ONE. That's one more than none. Wilson knows her skill limitations, and any shot more than 8 feet from the basket is her Kryptonite. [I suspect those 3 attempts were likely shot-clock violation heaves.]

*I can understand you supporting your player, but please don't mention shooting three's in the same sentence as A'ja Wilson. It's silly.
A'ja is not my player. Tuck is my player. I think Morgan is probably one of the top 1o players in the country. I do think A'ja has skills and is a good player, but she's a freshman and not close to Tuck as of now. My point was to ask if a player has ever been an AA and not started for their team.
 
I misworded that question and you're missing the point. What a player produces per minute is what they did produce, divided by the number of minutes that they play. They are actual bottom-line numbers, and they're more reflective of performance than per game stats. Find me an advanced basketball metric that isn't in the box score that doesn't involve minutes played or pace and we can talk. If your friend is chucking up several shots (3? 4?) and making one, a 25% shooting percentage clearly doesn't warrant more playing time than he was getting.

I think that you're alluding to some biases that per minute stats can have, which are that a player who plays 2 minutes a game is generally playing against weaker opposition, and that players who play more minutes are generally better, and should get recognized for that. While it's true that you shouldn't compare the per minute statistics of a player who is playing 2 minutes to a player who is playing 35, that kind of reality check should come along with any statistical analysis.

A good example is Moriah Jefferson. She's playing 28 minutes per game, not because she's not crucial to the offense, but because UConn has blown out so many of the teams that they've played. When comparing her stats to Jewell Loyd (who's up at 32 minutes because her team has needed her to play for longer), do you think her production should get docked because she's playing fewer minutes? If that's the case, what's the value of per game stats at all, why not just look at totals on the season?
The only problem with that is it doesn't really equate that way. People who play less minutes at a time, are less tired then someone who plays the majority of the game. Also someone coming off the bench, has an advantage many times of playing against players less talented.
 
Averaged 12.9 points, 6.5 rebounds, shot 53.1%, had 61 blocks and 31 steals in only 19.7 minutes per game. That's 26.19 points per 40 minutes and 13.2 rebounds per 40 minutes. You have to admit those are pretty good numbers.


cockhrnleghrn- - - But what did she do against the team SoCar HAD to beat and still HAS to beat? UCONN, NOTHING! SHE WAS NON- EXISTENT! A NO-SHOW! Wilson couldn't carry Morgan Tuck's uniform! One is, even not voted, an AA! Morgan Tuck! The other is a want-to-be! With potential that may or may not be realized! If they meet in the Finals, UCONN will beat SoCar worse than the Feb. 9th game!
 
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The AA selection committee is like Little League Baseball & Softball where EVERYONE gets a trophy because we don't want children feeling bad! Then they find out in the real world that hard work & success is rewarded! Not just showing up! There should have been Stewart, MoJeff, Tuck, KML and Loyd on the 1st team to be legit! It wasn't so it is a joke! The Coaches and players across the nation know who the real AA's are!
 
Speaking of five rings for Morgan:

I for one don't think it's going to happen.
Not because the team won't win five championships

But because Morgan will consider her balky knees and decide if she's to have a substantial pro career
She had better get on with it and leave with the class she entered with….Stewie and Moriah.

It will be a difficult but rational decision to forego her extra season of eligibility.
But after careful consideration, it is one she will make.


msf22b- - - Morgan Tuck is not thinking of anything right now but playing out her UCONN career including a red-shirt year! She is finally healthy and is having the best time of her life and would not desert her UCONN team mates for a $40,000.00 contract in the WNBA and a $50,000.00 contract in Europe or Asia! She has become one of the most respected leaders on the team and holds that responsibility highly and will be back competing at her usual high level till she's out of her college eligibility! And you can bet the ranch on that!
 
cockhrnleghrn- - - But what did she do against the team SoCar HAD to beat and still HAS to beat? UCONN, NOTHING! SHE WAS NON- EXISTENT! A NO-SHOW! Wilson couldn't carry Morgan Tuck's uniform! One is, even not voted, an AA! Morgan Tuck! The other is a want-to-be! With potential that may or may not be realized! If they meet in the Finals, UCONN will beat SoCar worse than the Feb. 9th game!

Why did we HAVE to beat UCONN? Our conference games are the most important to me, followed by Clemson. UCONN and Duke were after that, in my opinion. Certainly, if we play on Tuesday it will be the most important game. NCAAT games are always the most important, but during the regular season, my opinion is as above.
 
Why did we HAVE to beat UCONN? Our conference games are the most important to me, followed by Clemson. UCONN and Duke were after that, in my opinion. Certainly, if we play on Tuesday it will be the most important game. NCAAT games are always the most important, but during the regular season, my opinion is as above.
Yeah, I don't think SC had to beat UCONN. I think Dawn just was happy to gauge where her team was against the elite (or maybe the illuminatti would be a better description).
 
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Short answer...no!

But, should SC get past the leprechauns, I suspect Morgan will be anxious to weigh in on the subject where it counts...
 
The only problem with that is it doesn't really equate that way. People who play less minutes at a time, are less tired then someone who plays the majority of the game. Also someone coming off the bench, has an advantage many times of playing against players less talented.
You get that I addressed that point in the post that you quoted, right? I already posted this in this thread, but there have been some interesting attempts to address this issue empirically, most of which have debunked the idea that efficiency is dramatically affected by playing time. Obviously the effects aren't linear, we're not talking about comparing Briana Pulido's per minute stats to Breanna Stewart's, more like a player who plays 20 min to a player who plays 30 min. Link 1 Link 2
 
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