Will MM's behavior at the Final Four hurt ND recruiting?

[UConnCat]

I have no idea. I didn't remember myself, so I had to check a transcript of the Final Four press conference. She may have said it in another interview.

Muffet made additional comments about Geno in the locker room after the press conference. From Mechelle Voepel's article:

"I think that the entire Tennessee nation will be on our side," McGraw said when asked who Lady Vols fans in attendance will root for. "There are a lot of people who want to see us win just to preserve Pat's legacy now. I think all women's coaches really respect her and looked up to her, because they knew when she spoke, it was about what was good for the women's game. She role-modeled how to be gracious in victory, as well as defeat. She was such a classy coach and, unfortunately, the game and sportsmanship lost a lot when we lost her."

 

[doggydaddy]

I believe that recruits will use this in deciding where to go as much as they use the weak conference when looking at UCONN. It's not in the top 10.

Both are factors, but insignificant ones.

I would like to tell Orangutan that he/she is doing a great job defending McGraw without being too annoying. Well done. It's not easy when you have posters like me giving you a hard time...lol.

I would ask on question of her/him. If McGraw really did have her players sit in the front row and not clap for Stewart on purpose, how do you feel about it? You seem to be ok with it.

 

[Orangutan]

I believe that recruits will use this in deciding where to go as much as they use the weak conference when looking at UCONN. It's not in the top 10.

Both are factors, but insignificant ones.

I would like to tell Orangutan that he/she is doing a great job defending McGraw without being too annoying. Well done. It's not easy when you have posters like me giving you a hard time...lol.

I would ask on question of her/him. If McGraw really did have her players sit in the front row and not clap for Stewart on purpose, how do you feel about it? You seem to be ok with it.

It's he, for the record. And thank you, DD.

If McGraw really did do that, then I think that is inappropriate and classless behavior. My observation is that such behavior would be atypical of the way she behaves on the whole. I would regard it as an embarrassing moment for someone who typically behaves to a standard more becoming of her position.

Even as an opposing fan, I think Stewart seems like a really nice young lady. Whatever quarrels Muffet and Geno may have, there's no reason for Stewart to get caught in the crossfire.

 

[doggydaddy]

It's he, for the record. And thank you, DD.

If McGraw really did do that, then I think that is inappropriate and classless behavior. My observation is that such behavior would be atypical of the way she behaves on the whole. I would regard it as an embarrassing moment for someone who typically behaves to a standard more becoming of her position.

Even as an opposing fan, I think Stewart seems like a really nice young lady. Whatever quarrels Muffet and Geno may have, there's no reason for Stewart to get caught in the crossfire.

Based on the video I saw, her players were in the front row and along with McGraw did not clap and were stone faced. Hard to believe that wasn't planned in some way.

 

[mhshuskies]

I would think MM reaction during the NC game would have more negative effect. Watch the game at about the 7 minute +/- of second half. Right after an nd player throws the ball away. MM just turns to her coaches, throws up her hands and acts like what is wrong with her players. Notice Lindsay Allen. What must she be thinking?

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

Muffet made additional comments about Geno in the locker room after the press conference. From Mechelle Voepel's article:

"I think that the entire Tennessee nation will be on our side," McGraw said when asked who Lady Vols fans in attendance will root for. "There are a lot of people who want to see us win just to preserve Pat's legacy now. I think all women's coaches really respect her and looked up to her, because they knew when she spoke, it was about what was good for the women's game. She role-modeled how to be gracious in victory, as well as defeat. She was such a classy coach and, unfortunately, the game and sportsmanship lost a lot when we lost her."

Where is the dig at Geno in this?? Or was there more to the quote? It is something nice to say about Pat, although, RU fans were a little taken aback by Pat's "sportsmanship" regarding clock-gate. OTH, I remember when she stopped to see an injured RU player on her way either on or off the court at halftime, which actually was nice.

 

[UConnCat]

Where is the dig at Geno in this?? Or was there more to the quote? It is something nice to say about Pat, although, RU fans were a little taken aback by Pat's "sportsmanship" regarding clock-gate. OTH, I remember when she stopped to see an injured RU player on her way either on or off the court at halftime, which actually was nice.

Mechelle and everyone else within earshot understood that McGraw's words were directed squarely at Geno. In other words, Geno, now the coach with the most championships, is not classy and lacks sportsmanship. It was this comment that Doris Burke and Dave O'Brien responded to at the end of the game.

 

[ed4ourgirls]

I would think MM reaction during the NC game would have more negative effect. Watch the game at about the 7 minute +/- of second half. Right after an nd player throws the ball away. MM just turns to her coaches, throws up her hands and acts like what is wrong with her players. Notice Lindsay Allen. What must she be thinking?

. . . and when UConn players do something wrong Geno is the very model
of composure on the sidelines.

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

Mechelle and everyone else within earshot understood that McGraw's words were directed squarely at Geno. In other words, Geno, now the coach with the most championships, is not classy and lacks sportsmanship. It was this comment that Doris Burke and Dave O'Brien responded to at the end of the game.

Ok. Guess you had to be there, which they were.

Like others say, this sort of thing is a UConn thingy - most non-UConn fans like to think that someone with McGraw's record would never be a big enough ass to mean what others took the remark as. OTH, she was clearly trying to play a Geno head game at the FF, and she lost the battle and the war.

 

[mhshuskies]

. . . and when UConn players do something wrong Geno is the very model
of composure on the sidelines.

It wasn't that she showed frustration with how her players were playing, it was that she acted so clueless as to what to do about it. How can that instill confidence in players?

 

[chip]

Ridiculous post!!

With 3405 views and 69 replies maybe it was not a ridiculous post after all!

 

[Icebear]

Whoa! You think that ridiculous posts don't generate heavy traffic on the Boneyard.

 

[chip]

Whoa! You think that ridiculous posts don't generate heavy traffic on the Boneyard.

Really???

 

[Shenandoah]

I have always valued integrity. With her antics prior to the FF, Muffett displayed none at all. I had thought that she was above that, but I guess that one gets tired of getting ones butt kicked when it really counts. She knows that she missed her window last year, and her display this year was a feeble attempt to convince her team that they had a chance against one of the best UConn teams inhistory.
In answer to the OP question, if I'm a parent of a top HS player, then that does enter into the conversation...

 

[Shenandoah]

She is not a US citizen and it would have been inappropriate for her to so.

I would have to disagree with you on this one. I think that it would have shown respect. When major league teams are playing a Canadian team inwhatever sport, both anthems are played, and the players show proper respect during both.

 

[Ozzie Nelson]

Although I do not consider myself a overly patriotic person, there is no national anthem other my own during which I would place my hand over my heart.

 

[RockyMTblue2]

Or maybe Doris Burke interpreted the "civility" comment as referring to "class." It is certainly within the realm of a reasonable interpretation, from a listener's perspective.

I do not recall what Muffet pregame interview it was, but she said she felt a lot of Tenn fans and others would be rooting for ND so that Geno would not pass Pat S in total NC wins and then went on to say that WCBB lost a lot of class at the top when PS retired.

 

[Biff]

I do not recall what Muffet pregame interview it was, but she said she felt a lot of Tenn fans and others would be rooting for ND so that Geno would not pass Pat S in total NC wins and then went on to say that WCBB lost a lot of class at the top when PS retired.

This thread contains the MM quote that Doris addressed. Here it is again:

"I think that the entire Tennessee nation will be on our side," McGraw said when asked who Lady Vols fans in attendance will root for. "There are a lot of people who want to see us win just to preserve Pat's legacy now. I think all women's coaches really respect her and looked up to her, because they knew when she spoke, it was about what was good for the women's game. She role-modeled how to be gracious in victory, as well as defeat. She was such a classy coach and, unfortunately, the game and sportsmanship lost a lot when we lost her."

 

[RadyLady]

I am not a fan of McGraw nor have I ever been, and it has been for the very reasons and quotes that are scattered about this thread. It is difficult for me to respect anyone who has to speak badly about someone in order to further their own cause. McGraw in my eyes has been, is, and always will be a mal-intentioned whiner.

 

[intlzncster]

I have always valued integrity. With her antics prior to the FF, Muffett displayed none at all. I had thought that she was above that, but I guess that one gets tired of getting ones butt kicked when it really counts. She knows that she missed her window last year, and her display this year was a feeble attempt to convince her team that they had a chance against one of the best UConn teams inhistory.
In answer to the OP question, if I'm a parent of a top HS player, then that does enter into the conversation...

As far as creating a stink to get the attention away from the players, I believe Geno's been up to that before.

Muffett's execution was terrible though.

And not clapping -> lame.

 

[Grayjay]

The contemptuous, in-your-face, orchestrated not clapping was a hard-core high school mean-girl stunt.

Hard to believe it happened without the coach's endorsement.

I doubt that these things will have a big effect on kids' view of the Notre Dame program -- they are young.

But, this whole chapter of MM's behavior (the stunt, her facial expressions and gestures on the sidelines, accusing the other coach of incivility, the lack of judgment about how her actions and comments would come across to others) suggests to me she doesn't have very mature control of her emotions.

 

[reno tony]

kids dont always see things the same way mature adults do... some may see it as "Muffett is a bad b* ".

when you get 50, 60, 70, 80 yrs old you see thing a little differently

No way Dude, Muffet rocks, she is totally Bad Ass.

 

[reno tony]

I don't blame MM for the way she is. How did we feel, as fans, when ND was beating UCONN for those few years. Imagine what it must be like getting your butts kicked for decades and when you finally are undefeated and possibly playing for an NC you go to a press conference and the first question they ask you is about Geno.

45 TO GO​

 

[Icebear]

I would have to disagree with you on this one. I think that it would have shown respect. When major league teams are playing a Canadian team inwhatever sport, both anthems are played, and the players show proper respect during both.

At the potential disrespect or question of loyalty to her own country. All that is necessary is to stand quietly. She is not making a pledge just respecting.

 

[JellyBean]

Nope. She is going to get some players because folks want to be the best and in order to be the best you have to beat the best. So she will land some top talent with her act during the Final Four. She played her cards well.

 

[HuskyNan]

Just curious - why do people think MM orchestrated the no-clapping? There is zero evidence that this happened. Plus, I've been asking around to various people that were in the room when Breanna won the POY award and no one can swear that MM didn't clap at the time Breanna's name was called. It's not like people were watching her for her reaction. Yes, MM was caught on tape not clapping but that was several seconds later. I don't know if MM clapped for Stewie or not because people in the room don't know and that means none of you know for sure, either.

Some posts in this thread are edging towards hysterical, and I don't mean the ha-ha kind of hysterical. Not sure why this thread is still alive, really.

 

[doggydaddy]

Just curious - why do people think MM orchestrated the no-clapping? There is zero evidence that this happened. Plus, I've been asking around to various people that were in the room when Breanna won the POY award and no one can swear that MM didn't clap at the time Breanna's name was called. It's not like people were watching her for her reaction. Yes, MM was caught on tape not clapping but that was several seconds later. I don't know if MM clapped for Stewie or not because people in the room don't know and that means none of you know for sure, either.

Some posts in this thread are edging towards hysterical, and I don't mean the ha-ha kind of hysterical. Not sure why this thread is still alive, really.

I've pretty much stayed away from this but I believe Geno mentioned how Stewart was treated when she won the award. He was really pissed off.

I don't know if she didn't clap but there was an issue. From ESPN:

McGraw also noted the tension in a crowded room at Bridgewater Arena over the weekend when their teams showed up to support the winners of The Associated Press awards for coach of the year -- McGraw -- and player of the year, Huskies sophomore Breanna Stewart.

"I think there was definite tension in the room," McGraw said. "I think, for us, we wanted Kayla McBride to win the player of the year award. So, I think it was a little bit of that."

And from Rich Elliot:

Both teams were in the same, cramped room Saturday for The Associated Press national Player (Breanna Stewart) and Coach (McGraw) of the Year presentation. McGraw was captured on video not clapping when Stewart accepted her award.

 

[reno tony]

Just curious - why do people think MM orchestrated the no-clapping? There is zero evidence that this happened. Plus, I've been asking around to various people that were in the room when Breanna won the POY award and no one can swear that MM didn't clap at the time Breanna's name was called. It's not like people were watching her for her reaction. Yes, MM was caught on tape not clapping but that was several seconds later. I don't know if MM clapped for Stewie or not because people in the room don't know and that means none of you know for sure, either.

Some posts in this thread are edging towards hysterical, and I don't mean the ha-ha kind of hysterical. Not sure why this thread is still alive, really.

I believe that the players would respect another player receiving an award by clapping. To have the whole team, along with the coach, show the same disrespect to another college athlete seems out of the realm of likelihood. If there were 10 players and coach and each was 50% likely to be disrespectful to Breanna then the odds of all 11 people being disrespectful at the same time is 8191 to 1. Interestingly enough, the less likely they are to be disrespectful, the more likely there would be some type of organized event to be disrespectful. So, probability wise it seems likely there was some planning involved.

 

[HuskyNan]

I believe that the players would respect another player receiving an award by clapping. To have the whole team, along with the coach, show the same disrespect to another college athlete seems out of the realm of likelihood. If there were 10 players and coach and each was 50% likely to be disrespectful to Breanna then the odds of all 11 people being disrespectful at the same time is 8191 to 1. Interestingly enough, the less likely they are to be disrespectful, the more likely there would be some type of organized event to be disrespectful. So, probability wise it seems likely there was some planning involved.

How do you know they didn't clap? I can't get anyone to confirm or deny what happened.

On edit: Don't bother answering. I don't want to get into this any more.

 

[chip]

I don't blame MM for the way she is. How did we feel, as fans, when ND was beating UCONN for those few years. Imagine what it must be like getting your butts kicked for decades and when you finally are undefeated and possibly playing for an NC you go to a press conference and the first question they ask you is about Geno.

45 TO GO​

Think of ANY other coach in any college or professional sport who acted as

Just curious - why do people think MM orchestrated the no-clapping? There is zero evidence that this happened. Plus, I've been asking around to various people that were in the room when Breanna won the POY award and no one can swear that MM didn't clap at the time Breanna's name was called. It's not like people were watching her for her reaction. Yes, MM was caught on tape not clapping but that was several seconds later. I don't know if MM clapped for Stewie or not because people in the room don't know and that means none of you know for sure, either.

Some posts in this thread are edging towards hysterical, and I don't mean the ha-ha kind of hysterical. Not sure why this thread is still alive, really.

I started the original thread and I am also kinda surprised its still alive. Not much going on in the off-season?