Will MM's behavior at the Final Four hurt ND recruiting?

[Orangutan]

Which is where the majority of wcbb fans and players go for the latest info and insights. That, and what Ozzie already pointed out about what transpired on nat'l TV.

Winning COY is no small matter and MM had a great year, but it's an individual award. Going to the the FF four years in a row and coming away empty, puts a team right up there and next to teams like the Buffalo Bills - in the pantheon of forgettable 2nd place finishers.

I somewhat doubt that recruits visit discussion boards frequently, but I could easily be wrong. "ClapGate" was reported in the press, but only the New England press. At the risk of sounding a little flippant, it's only a big deal to UConn fans, in my opinion.

Clearly it's better to get to the final four and lose than not get there at all. The only team that has performed better over the last 5 years is UConn. Perhaps Texas A&M and Baylor if you want to say winning one title outweighs ND's consistent performance. For recruits that prioritize competing for championships, Notre Dame will be high on the list.

 

[Replicant]

For recruits that prioritize competing for championships, Notre Dame will be high on the list.

No doubt. And for recruits expecting to win championships, UConn will be the only school on their list.

 

[Ozzie Nelson]

I somewhat doubt that recruits visit discussion boards frequently, but I could easily be wrong. "ClapGate" was reported in the press, but only the New England press. At the risk of sounding a little flippant, it's only a big deal to UConn fans, in my opinion.

Clearly it's better to get to the final four and lose than not get there at all. The only team that has performed better over the last 5 years is UConn. Perhaps Texas A&M and Baylor if you want to say winning one title outweighs ND's consistent performance. For recruits that prioritize competing for championships, Notre Dame will be high on the list.

ND should be, and is, high on the recruiting list.

McGraw, in teaching her athletes to belittle one of their competitors, is another case. I can assure all, that McBride would receive a standing ovation from Geno, his team, and The BoneYard for any award. She drove us crazy with her person and talent.

 

[Orangutan]

No doubt. And for recruits expecting to win championships, UConn will be the only school on their list.

Thankfully for the competition, UConn only has 15 scholarships and are forced to leave some talent for the other teams.

 

[Ozzie Nelson]

Thankfully for the competition, UConn only has 15 scholarships and are forced to leave some talent for the other teams.

This year UCONN used only 9 scholarships, played 6 in NC competition. You really should watch them play basketball.

 

[Icebear]

Thankfully for the competition, UConn only has 15 scholarships and are forced to leave some talent for the other teams.

15, we rarely use more than 12. Maybe 13. This year we had 11 when including the two walk ons.

 

[Replicant]

Thankfully for the competition...

Competition?

 

[Orangutan]

Competition?

Perhaps opponents is the proper term, given recent results.

 

[Orangutan]

This year UCONN used only 9 scholarships, played 6 in NC competition. You really should watch them play basketball.

Yes, my post was a joke. The point of which was that not every kid who wants to win a national championship will have the option of choosing UConn. Which is good for other schools, because UConn is the obvious choice for recruits who want to win championships.

 

[Joe6cats]

I do not agree that the question raised in the OP is ridiculous. I don't know the answer. The consensus here seems to be that no way will this hurt Muffet's recruiting nor her reputation. I'm not so sure. It certainly showed her in a bad light, and some families may see her program as having less class than they'd thought. She organized her players to demean Brianna's award by occupying the front row and keeping silent. Would I want to send my daughter to a program that teaches bad sportsmanship? NO WAY!! Were I a ND grad or fan, I'd feel the same way about it that I felt when my alma mater, UNC, was found cheating their athletes of a real education: Deeply embarrassed. If nobody cares about sportsmanship, something has been lost.

 

[connboy77]

Why is that a big deal? The last time I put my hand on my heart was when I was in 2nd grade and we did the pledge of allegiance. Plus she's Canadian anyway what does she care about the national anthem? Plus Geno was making faces into the camera during the national anthem, so what does that say about him?

Its a sign of respect for another countries National Anthem!

 

[huskies29]

Notre Dame is still Notre Dame so will get their share of recruits. Muffet may have turned off more parents of future recruits than the recruits themselves and that might be the future problem if there is one. As for Geno I kind of think he likes having a 9 or 10 player team of top players and not really in love with a large roster of great players where by the sheer numbers there will be some unhappy ones as there is only so many minutes that can be given out.

 

[ed4ourgirls]

Count me among the "no big deal" crowd. I can't believe any recruit is going to
care if Muffet got a little snarky toward another coach.

Yes, Muffet ended up with a little egg McMuffin on her face, but if she doesn't
make a habit of it, it will soon be forgotten by everyone who isn't a UConn fan.

 

[UcMiami]

Its a sign of respect for another countries National Anthem!

She stood, which is a sign of respect. This is standard for all multi-national events including Olympics NHL, NFL, and MLB

 

[ThisJustIn]

She stood, which is a sign of respect. This is standard for all multi-national events including Olympics NHL, NFL, and MLB

I'm guessing connboy is suggesting that he, and everyone else, should put their hands on their hearts for the Canadian, Russian, Iranian, Libyan, French etc. etc. anthem ??? Must be grumpy at a TON of folks, including UConn players

 

[RockyMTblue2]

In a media besotted society in which manners are actually a stumbling block on the way to what we call "celebrity" MM's public display of childish petulance at the NPOY award was seen as a plus by ESPN "analysts" as increasing casual fan interest.

 

[UConnChapette]

Count me among the "no big deal" crowd. I can't believe any recruit is going to
care if Muffet got a little snarky toward another coach.

Not to mention the fact that some teenage girls can get a little snarky with each other, their parents, etc.

I don't think any recruit who is considering ND would change their mind over this little brew-ha-ha. And recruits who are not considering ND probably don't think about it at all.

I bet there was a fair amount of fans of other teams that applauded Muffett's comments and snub of Stewie. All depends on whether you are wearing the blue colored glasses or not.

 

[msf22b]

Can someone explain HOW this would happen ? Because I'm pretty sure there is only one way - if Geno uses her behavior as a negative recruiting tool, and I just don't believe for a second that 1) he would do that, let alone, 2) needs to do that.

And if you don't rely on Geno using this as a negative recruiting tool, how is a recruit supposed to use this information in their decision making ? Because I have an even harder time believing that recruits know or care about what took place at the POY ceremony or the Final Four press conferences.

You think they don't watch?

 

[DaddyChoc]

Losing Niele Ivey will have an infinitely more negative effect on ND recruiting....

losing Ivey will have an effect on me too

 

[01Neaggrad02]

If I was the parent of a recruit I would look at the behaviors of the coaches and take that into consideration. MM was negative and rude. She attacked Geno and his character. That is major bad mojo! Geno did not attack back, he took the high road. Doris Burke, Kara Lawson, Rebecca Lobo, et al fought back on Geno's defense. Is it Mike Patrick who was with Doris... how when the game was in the bag they spent the last ten minutes or so talking about what a good person Geno is and how he is the best coach in America... that never hurts.

But if I were a parent of a child being recruited... and I saw that, and I saw the flopping... I would encourage my child to go somewhere where they would receive 1.) a quality education 2.) develop their basketball skills, 3.) develop into better human beings with class and dignity. 4.) To be part of something that will last a life time.

I would go Geno over Muffet any day!

 

[DaddyChoc]

kids dont always see things the same way mature adults do... some may see it as "Muffett is a bad b****".

when you get 50, 60, 70, 80 yrs old you see thing a little differently

 

[DaddyChoc]

If I was the parent of a recruit I would look at the behaviors of the coaches and take that into consideration. MM was negative and rude. She attacked Geno and his character. That is major bad mojo! Geno did not attack back, he took the high road. Doris Burke, Kara Lawson, Rebecca Lobo, et al fought back on Geno's defense. Is it Mike Patrick who was with Doris... how when the game was in the bag they spent the last ten minutes or so talking about what a good person Geno is and how he is the best coach in America... that never hurts.

But if I were a parent of a child being recruited... and I saw that, and I saw the flopping... I would encourage my child to go somewhere where they would receive 1.) a quality education 2.) develop their basketball skills, 3.) develop into better human beings with class and dignity. 4.) To be part of something that will last a life time.

I would go Geno over Muffet any day!

thanks for the paragraphs but buddy you're not going to change the opinion of those who think its no big deal.

I think Muffet players, parents and fan with go with MM over Geno any day, it is what it is. some think that situation holds no weight at all... I guess time will tell when I player goes elsewhere and hold a ESPN press conference saying "I chose UConn over ND because the ND coach didnt clap for a former UConn player.

 

[UConnCat]

I'm still struggling to understand why Muffet went off like she did at the FF. She was clearly angry when she arrived in Nashville and seemed determined to let loose on Geno while there. Some have suggested that Geno's "fib during lent" comment pushed her over the edge. Maybe, but what did she expect him to say after, again, accusing UConn of "ducking" Notre Dame? She knew that wasn't true when she said it. Is there something else going on? Recruiting? She and Geno are going after a lot of the same kids. Was she trying to gain an advantage by saying Geno lacks civility and class?

Geno was on the Dan Lebat- ard radio show yesterday and was asked whether he took extra pleasure in beating ND after McGraw's comments. Geno said Muffet said some "dumb" stuff leading up to the game but the desire to win a NC doesn't change with the opponent. I think Geno fibbed just a little bit with that answer.

 

[Waquoit]

At the risk of sounding a little flippant, it's only a big deal to UConn fans, in my opinion.

I don't think not clapping is a big deal to UConn fans either. The deal is her being so petty while criticizing Geno for a lack of "class" out of the other side of her mouth.

 

[Orangutan]

I don't think not clapping is a big deal to UConn fans either. The deal is her being so petty while criticizing Geno for a lack of "class" out of the other side of her mouth.

The quote was "certainly the rivalry has gone a little away from the civility it was when we were in the league together." Then when asked what it would take to restore civility she said "I think we're past that point."

The word class was not used. At least not in that final four press conference

 

[Waquoit]

The quote was "certainly the rivalry has gone a little away from the civility it was when we were in the league together." Then when asked what it would take to restore civility she said "I think we're past that point."

The word class was not used. At least not in that final four press conference

So when Doris Burke took MM to task (on air during the NC game) about her comments concerning Geno's class she was just making it up?

 

[Orangutan]

So when Doris Burke took MM to task (on air during the NC game) about her comments concerning Geno's class she was just making it up?

I have no idea. I didn't remember myself, so I had to check a transcript of the Final Four press conference. She may have said it in another interview.

 

[Waquoit]

I have no idea.

Yet you still didn't let that stop you from calling me out. No big deal.

 

[CamrnCrz1974]

So when Doris Burke took MM to task (on air during the NC game) about her comments concerning Geno's class she was just making it up?

Or maybe Doris Burke interpreted the "civility" comment as referring to "class." It is certainly within the realm of a reasonable interpretation, from a listener's perspective.

 

[Orangutan]

Yet you still didn't let that stop you from calling me out. No big deal.

My comments are strictly limited to the Final Four press conference in which she made the comments about civility. What Doris Burke was referring to when she made her comments, I do not know.