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willie99 said:
They were a top team in the country a few years ago, lost all their seniors and have since rebuilt the program to elite status again

While we were cellar dwellers the whole time, I really don't get it. I don't think they get better classes either.

Not one 4 star recruit
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To quote the movie Miracle

I’m not looking for the best players Craig. I’m looking for the right ones.

People keep prioritizing star rankings. Those only go so far. You need the right skills and attributes to fit the system that you’re going to be playing.
 
They had/have a better coach. Not hard to figure out. Wish they were coming to the Big East with us. Would be a great addition for the Midwest with Marquette, Depaul, Creighton, Butler, Xavier.

Would love to see a future league that looks like this:
MidWest: Marquette, Depaul, Creighton, Butler, Xavier, Wichita, Cincinnati
East: UConn, Providence, Seton Hall, St Johns, Villanova, Georgetown, Temple

Please don't attack me over how unrealistic this is because of football, etc.
 
willie99 said:
They were a top team in the country a few years ago, lost all their seniors and have since rebuilt the program to elite status again

While we were cellar dwellers the whole time, I really don't get it. I don't think they get better classes either.

Not one 4 star recruit
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Gregg Marshall is an incredible coach.

I've talked in the past about how Dan Hurley has never had a top 50 KenPom offense and people said "You shouldn't expect it at Rhode Island or Wagner because he didn't get the talent and we've been rebuilding. Ollie's guys, etc."

Gregg did it 6 times while Wichita was still in the MVC. "Oh but he had Fred Van Vleet, Ron Baker, and Cleanthony Early." He made those guys, not the other way around. He had a top 50 offensive season at Winthrop.

Once again, I'm not saying Hurley can never do it or that the offense won't improve with better talent. It will. But there are some guys who can coach offense, and that's not Hurley's forte. We prioritized the best culture changing and defensive coach available. We're going to need to be patient on the offense.
 
watching that game this am, the only noteworthy thing for me about Wichita is their 24/7 intensity, which is fundamental to winning in college hoops. so, if we are truly woke to the intensity thing, this is the game to bring it. if we do, I like our chances
 
We did beat Wich St last year at home by 20, and only lost to them by 2 on the road without JA). This is doable.
 
Marat said:
We did beat Wich St last year at home by 20, and only lost to them by 2 on the road without JA). This is doable.
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on an extremely difficult buzzer beater. We can win, but need to get off to a good start and not make dumb mistakes
 
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Ocho88 said:
They had/have a better coach. Not hard to figure out. Wish they were coming to the Big East with us. Would be a great addition for the Midwest with Marquette, Depaul, Creighton, Butler, Xavier.

Would love to see a future league that looks like this:
MidWest: Marquette, Depaul, Creighton, Butler, Xavier, Wichita, Cincinnati
East: UConn, Providence, Seton Hall, St Johns, Villanova, Georgetown, Temple

Please don't attack me over how unrealistic this is because of football, etc.
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Would be a great basketball conference but scrap the divisions. Divisions are dumb in basketball.
 
Kenny11 said:
on an extremely difficult buzzer beater. We can win, but need to get off to a good start and not make dumb mistakes
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That’s the big key in my eyes too. Neither team is the type to shoot the lights out. UConn is 217th with a 48.2% eFG and Wichita is 203rd. The difference is that Wichita takes better care of the ball. They are also a much better rebounding team than UConn, so hopefully we can stay hungry on the boards; looking at you Polley.

Wichita struggles scoring inside like UConn, so I don’t think Akok can carry the defense. They score out in the perimeter. Our guards are going to have to close out on shooters and force them to either take contested shots, or try their hand driving into the #1 shot blocking frontcourt in the country.
 
UConnStats said:
That’s the big key in my eyes too. Neither team is the type to shoot the lights out. UConn is 217th with a 48.2% eFG and Wichita is 203rd. The difference is that Wichita takes better care of the ball. They are also a much better rebounding team than UConn, so hopefully we can stay hungry on the boards; looking at you Polley.

Wichita struggles scoring inside like UConn, so I don’t think Akok can carry the defense. They score out in the perimeter. Our guards are going to have to close out on shooters and force them to either take contested shots, or try their hand driving into the #1 shot blocking frontcourt in the country.
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that's a good thing, right? someone should tell the 'are we improved' thread.
 
Ocho88 said:
They had/have a better coach. Not hard to figure out. Wish they were coming to the Big East with us. Would be a great addition for the Midwest with Marquette, Depaul, Creighton, Butler, Xavier.

Would love to see a future league that looks like this:
MidWest: Marquette, Depaul, Creighton, Butler, Xavier, Wichita, Cincinnati
East: UConn, Providence, Seton Hall, St Johns, Villanova, Georgetown, Temple

Please don't attack me over how unrealistic this is because of football, etc.
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You really think you're improving the Big East by adding Temple, Cincy, and Wichita State?
 
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willie99 said:
They were a top team in the country a few years ago, lost all their seniors and have since rebuilt the program to elite status again

While we were cellar dwellers the whole time, I really don't get it. I don't think they get better classes either.

Not one 4 star recruit
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Etienne is a 4 star from Jersey, and is Grant Sherfield, a Wichita native. He was a UCLA recruit that decommitted after Alford was fired. They are both freshmen so we have them for a bit.

This WSU fan is sad to see UConn leave the AAC, but it makes complete sense to me, though I don't know how to calculate the football aspect. As much as WSU fans think of our program, it was a thrill to be in a conference with a four-time NCAA champion.

Best of luck in the BE and it would be great to have a 2, or four game schedule sometime in the future.

I wish I could make the game, but I am going to the Chiefs game.

BTW we have Lew Perkins in common, of course. I was a junior at WSU when Perkins aced the WSU football program in the Fall of 1986.
 
Ocho88 said:
They had/have a better coach. Not hard to figure out. Wish they were coming to the Big East with us. Would be a great addition for the Midwest with Marquette, Depaul, Creighton, Butler, Xavier.

Would love to see a future league that looks like this:
MidWest: Marquette, Depaul, Creighton, Butler, Xavier, Wichita, Cincinnati
East: UConn, Providence, Seton Hall, St Johns, Villanova, Georgetown, Temple

Please don't attack me over how unrealistic this is because of football, etc.
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Even with that, UConn will be the only NCAA regular season games I watch. Most my watching will still be NBA games.
 
6 ranked teams on our sched this year at this point so a win here could not be more important for NCAA and turn around hopes. Not just another game. Hurley should treat this like a tourney elimination game.
 
Ocho88 said:
Would love to see a future league that looks like this:
MidWest: Marquette, Depaul, Creighton, Butler, Xavier, Wichita, Cincinnati
East: UConn, Providence, Seton Hall, St Johns, Villanova, Georgetown, Temple

Please don't attack me over how unrealistic this is because of football
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doesnt do to dwell on the impossible...but leaving football out of it, xavier and nova would never ever agree to let their biggest cross-city rival join. i agree with Wichita but VCU is the other clear choice: no football, best midmajor bball program, no geographic conflict, and keeps the conference nucleus in the east. dont need even divisions for bball.
 
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We have better players they have a better coach. Let's see how this works out.
 
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pvtlamb said:
Etienne is a 4 star from Jersey, and is Grant Sherfield, a Wichita native. He was a UCLA recruit that decommitted after Alford was fired. They are both freshmen so we have them for a bit.

This WSU fan is sad to see UConn leave the AAC, but it makes complete sense to me, though I don't know how to calculate the football aspect. As much as WSU fans think of our program, it was a thrill to be in a conference with a four-time NCAA champion.

Best of luck in the BE and it would be great to have a 2, or four game schedule sometime in the future.

I wish I could make the game, but I am going to the Chiefs game.

BTW we have Lew Perkins in common, of course. I was a junior at WSU when Perkins aced the WSU football program in the Fall of 1986.
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Best of luck to you and your program. You obviously have a pretty darn good coach

As for the Chiefs, enjoy the moment, because the Titans are going all the way

:cool:
 
ucawn said:
Obviously haven’t attended many XL games because slipping hasn’t been an issue so far.
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So far the refs have had to stop play twice in the first five minutes due to what? Condensation. Seen this too many times in the past.
 
weyuo said:
So far the refs have had to stop play twice in the first five minutes due to what? Condensation. Seen this too many times in the past.
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This is due to the high temps
 
Does anyone know where I can find a good highlight reel of yesterday's game? The crap available on ESPN and CBS is useless.
 
Did anyone notice the fan who would whistle just as our guys were shooting a free throw. Very obnoxious. Didn’t hear it when their guys shot, so have to assume it was a WSU fan #InBreeding
 
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