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Excalibur said:
The very next clause states "A player who legally enters the game during a dead ball may leave the game during that same dead-ball period without penalty"
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That's it.

Then I didn't know the rule. That having been said, I'm neither a ref nor a coach. The refs need to get that one right and Hurley needs to politely tell them to pull out the rule book there if necessary. There is something to blame him for.

Gilbert, Adams, Gaffney, and 2 of our bigs should have been on the court then. Damn.
 
Excalibur said:
That’s not the case, and even if it was then it’s the officials problem, not Hurley’s. He wanted to make a substitution and was told he could not
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businesslawyer said:
Don't want to sound like a lawyer, but that says that whomever Temi came in for could have come back in after the 5 second violation. It does not say that the player who was substituted in can come out before the game clock starts.

You very well may be right, in which case I will stand corrected and live and learn, but the rule you quoted doesn't answer the question.
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The next line in the rulebook is clear:


k. A player who legally enters the game during a dead ball may leave the game during that same dead-ball period without penalty.
 
businesslawyer said:
I don't have a rule book in front of me (and need to get to work), but the rule has always been when you enter the game you can't be subbed out before the ball is put in play. Temi came in after the foul shots and the ball was given back to UConn without ever being put in play. This is not a unique situation. I've seen this happen numerous times over the years.
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I need someone to explain to me why we didn't get the ball initially, after the technical?
 
UCSouth said:
I need someone to explain to me why we didn't get the ball initially, after the technical?
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Because on a dead ball technical called on the bench, you stop play, have the foul shots, and then resume the game where it was before the technical. the refs got that one right.
 
I do wish he'd have shot the ball when he first caught it wide open. Rapidly dribbling in for a mid range shot probably didn't help his chances
 
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Excalibur said:
Seen it done many times, by many different coaches.
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I never have - you’re telling me youve seen a situation where you’ve seen a walk on take a last second game tying or game winning shot?? Really ?
 
storrsroars said:
It was definitely a good look.
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He shudda just took the three we had no chance in overtime bad decision all around on everything. U can’t make this stuff up. We create ways to shoot our selves in the foot time and time again
 
businesslawyer said:
Because on a dead ball technical called on the bench, you stop play, have the foul shots, and then resume the game where it was before the technical. the refs got that one right.
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Wasn’t on the bench it was on Jarreau. I trust your interpretation of the rules though.
 
JB75 said:
I never have - you’re telling me youve seen a situation where you’ve seen a walk on take a last second game tying or game winning shot?? Really ?
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He's talking about putting a walk on in to foul the other team, which yes I will second that I've seen it used by other coaches
 
Dream Jobbed 2.0 said:
Wasn’t on the bench it was on Jarreau. I trust your interpretation of the rules though.
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You are correct. My bad.

But who the dead ball T is on doesn't change that you break, shoot the Ts and then revert to where you were.
 
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JB75 said:
I never have - you’re telling me youve seen a situation where you’ve seen a walk on take a last second game tying or game winning shot?? Really ?
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Reading comp, my friend. Seen walk-ons put in to foul quite a bit.
 
Hans Sprungfeld said:
I wish Hurley had put you in.
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I just wonder if the player wasn't supposed to shoot a 3 and he put it on the floor instead. He was in a position to take a 3. However, typically with that amount of time somebody gets the ball near midcourt takes a few dribbles and launches. You also may draw a foul.
 
Excalibur said:
The very next clause states "A player who legally enters the game during a dead ball may leave the game during that same dead-ball period without penalty"
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I think Hurley told them he wanted to make a sub and the refs told him he can't.
 
GHSWolverines said:
Disagree. He NEVER plays unless its a blowout and that's in the last 2 min. and under. Poor call. You live and die with the more experienced players. Even if he made the shot... in my opinion its a dumb move.
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There literally weren't five players he could sub in to foul who wouldn't subsequently foul out. He was in there on the inbounds play exclusively to foul.
 
JB75 said:
He shudda just took the three we had no chance in overtime bad decision all around on everything. U can’t make this stuff up. We create ways to shoot our selves in the foot time and time again
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Based on the video from post # 24 and stopping at the 25:18 mark, I think if he took the 3 the ball would have been swatted to the upper decks.
 
Kolumbo said:
Based on the video from post # 24 and stopping at the 25:18 mark, I think if he took the 3 the ball would have been swatted to the upper decks.
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Very likely. At the least, he was entirely rational in worrying about the shot being blocked and getting off a good 2 instead.

I can't believe I need to rally behind you being the voice of reason. That's what a day it's been!
 
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brasssbonanzaa said:
There literally weren't five players he could sub in to foul who wouldn't subsequently foul out. He was in there on the inbounds play exclusively to foul.
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Gaffney had 0, Akok had 1, Gilbert had 2 and Carlton 3. Only Whaley and Adams were in danger of fouling out
 
Kathy said:
Gaffney had 0, Akok had 1, Gilbert had 2 and Carlton 3. Only Whaley and Adams were in danger of fouling out
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That's my point. Down 2 there, you're playing reasonably for a tie (quick foul, hope the shooter misses one, get lucky with a forced 3) and thus OT. If you think your walk on is just as capable as some of the bigs at giving a foul -- which no one here disagrees with -- putting him in was fine.

As this thread has shown since I commented on your post, the problem was the combination of an unusual result (the forced 5 second violation) with neither the refs nor the UConn staff understanding the rule that you could take him right back out before the offensive possession.
 
businesslawyer said:
That's my point. Down 2 there, you're playing reasonably for a tie (quick foul, hope the shooter misses one, get lucky with a forced 3) and thus OT. If you think your walk on is just as capable as some of the bigs at giving a foul -- which no one here disagrees with -- putting him in was fine.

As this thread has shown since I commented on your post, the problem was the combination of an unusual result (the forced 5 second violation) with neither the refs nor the UConn staff understanding the rule that you could take him right back out before the offensive possession.
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You missed my point - there were 4 players that could have given that foul - you didnt need Temi.
 
Kathy said:
Gaffney had 0, Akok had 1, Gilbert had 2 and Carlton 3. Only Whaley and Adams were in danger of fouling out
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Had Carlton been in the game, Houston would have successfully inbounded the ball. The walk-on (not trying to spell his name) guarded the guy who sprinted in from the front court just before the 5 second call. He would have been able to outrun Carlton.
 
Kathy said:
You missed my point - there were 4 players that could have given that foul - you didnt need Temi.
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In that situation, everyone on the court has to be ready to give a foul. You can't plan on if they get the ball in to whomever Adams is guarding Gaffney getting over to him and giving the foul. By the time Gaffney gets there the ball could be in the air back to his man and the clock is running.

It was beyond rational to make the defensive substitution. It was smart. And it worked. The problem, as I said, is that the refs screwed up by not letting us take him back out, and our bench screwed up by not being ready to explain the rule to the ref and make them look it up.
 
navery12 said:
He's talking about putting a walk on in to foul the other team, which yes I will second that I've seen it used by other coaches
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Oh that ? Of course. I thought he meant put in a walk on on offense to possibly get last second shot which I’ve never seen in my life. My b.
 
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businesslawyer said:
That's my point. Down 2 there, you're playing reasonably for a tie (quick foul, hope the shooter misses one, get lucky with a forced 3) and thus OT. If you think your walk on is just as capable as some of the bigs at giving a foul -- which no one here disagrees with -- putting him in was fine.

As this thread has shown since I commented on your post, the problem was the combination of an unusual result (the forced 5 second violation) with neither the refs nor the UConn staff understanding the rule that you could take him right back out before the offensive possession.
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Exactly here. Hurley needed a body to foul. Lesson learned is that a player who comes in doesn't have to play a second to come out.
 
Sorry but the kid should have made that shot, bench player or not. It was a wide open / uncontested 5 footer. Sure all players have missed it, but all D1 players should be able to make that shot even with the pressure. Ain't like he's not capable. I bet he feels worse than any fan or even his teammates. Hell if he makes it we're tied, with no guarantee of victory. (I do wish he shot that 3 initially though)

Just saying, he's a D1 college basketball player who missed a wide open short shot, end of story.
 
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