And Mariano Rivera would have had 300 wins as a starter if he learned to have more stamina
Not sure why passed on those 2 shots. His willing to take wide open 3s but not a jump shot in the paint?
And you’re doing the same exact thing you’re accusing me and the others of doing. We aren’t saying to draw up only mid range shots and not shoot 3s. You take the best percentage shot in the flow of the offense and sometimes that’s the mid range
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And you’re doing the same exact thing you’re accusing me and the others of doing. We aren’t saying to draw up only mid range shots and not shoot 3s. You take the best percentage shot in the flow of the offense and sometimes that’s the mid range
Was Rip and the pistons dumb?
Never-still Rip Hamilton was deadly from two-point range for Detroit
Coming off screens and knocking down mid-range jumpers like it was his day job. Scratch that, it was his day job. I’m talking about Richard Hamilton, perhaps better known by his moniker of “Rip.” Recently, Hamilton told the Detroit Free Press that he thinks the Pistons of his era should have won...
During the Pistons’ six-season stretch of ECF appearances, the University of Connecticut product made 47.5 percent of his two-point shots while also shooting 46.3 percent from the field.
Secondly, Pistons fans will never forget the dynamic duo that he formed with fellow Pistons backcourt mate Chauncey Billups.
To no surprise, the three seasons when Rip proved to be the most efficient from two-point range (from 2005-06 until ‘07-08 when he shot no worse than 48.3 percent on his mid-range shots), his backcourt partner Billups put together the three finest seasons of his NBA career as a facilitator.
“That was a kid getting the opportunity to play with the GOAT, the guy you looked up to as a kid. One that sticks out for me is playing against him in practice. People look at my mid-range game and say I have one of the best of all time, but a lot of that came off of being in the practices with MJ. I remember one time I was playing against him and he took two hard dribbles to the basket and pulled up and he was like ‘Rip, add that to your game.’ That’s the hardest play in the game of basketball to guard. And I was like, why? And he was like, because as a defender they are backpedaling so he can’t jump to the highest point to block your shot. He’s always off-balance and you’re always on-balance. People all across the league kept hitting me up like, ‘How did you get your medium-range game so good?’ From the tools of Michael Jordan. From the opportunity to be around him for the two years I was in Washington.”
You’re not accounting for volume but we probably are very similar in what we want to see happen
Whaley's passing on the two close-in shots was concerning. We seem to want a more difficult shot for an easy one???? At least he might have been fouled or Euro stepped for two. How much more open do you need to be??? Perhaps the coach has a tight collar on him. It seems that we do pass on a lot of open shots. The first half had a nice offensive flow to it, the second reverted to half-court run down the clock for a desperation shot that allowed the game to get close.
Whaley's passing on the two close-in shots was concerning. We seem to want a more difficult shot for an easy one???? At least he might have been fouled or Euro stepped for two. How much more open do you need to be??? Perhaps the coach has a tight collar on him. It seems that we do pass on a lot of open shots. The first half had a nice offensive flow to it, the second reverted to half-court run down the clock for a desperation shot that allowed the game to get close.
Outstanding post! When people talk about analytics favoring the three what they’re really talking about is the combination of point value and accuracy, but, as I know you know, there is much more to an analytical analysis than that. Credible three point shooting opens up the paint which allows that to be a higher percentage shot. Forcing people to guard you out to the arc opens up opportunities for a player to drive by his man. A big problem for AJ last year was his lack of a credible three point shot which allowed defenders to sag off of him, which interned took away his ability to drive to the basket. There’s a ying and the yang to it.
Yep. look at it this way, in last nights game over 20 shots the percentages we were shooting two point shots would have yielded two more points then three-point shots. That’s not a huge difference, but the point stands that people who hammer the phrase “analytics“ as a basis for the three-point shot always being a better alternative than a two point shot don’t really understand what analytics are. Shooting three-pointers are more efficient, as long as you can shoot them at some reasonable rate. 30% or less isn’t reasonable.
Good points....and X was winning at the half when they shot 6-9 from 3....going 0 fer didn't help...hell, going 0-15 on a 6 point shot doesn't help. other than opening up the paint for better 2 pt shots, I don't understand how shooting a lot of 3's that don't go in helps the final tally. Nova was 1-10 in the first half and 5/11 in the second....so 3's do work....but only if they go in!
Fully agree, but that’s not what you said. You restated the narrow premise of my post to a broader one that was disprovable, and then disproved it. That’s a little dishonest. No worries, it really doesn’t bother me. I’m just letting you know I saw what you did. But again, I appreciate the work you did and the broader discussion.
You're combining cupcakes and real games....go look at the 3 in the real games....especially those we lost. MSU...12%, WV 14%, PC 27% I don't know how you can win games taking high volume 3 when you are shooting 15%?
Yeah, you’re throwing out strawman arguments again and then disapproving them. I will respectfully suggest you leave that silliness to the guys who have no idea what they’re talking about. But I sense that you’re a little sensitive on me spotting your manipulating the math in this so this will be my last post on this topic.
You can’t treat all twos the same. The average mid range shot’s probability of success is significantly lower than 50% and is actually closer to the average 3P%. You’re assuming nearly the same risk as a 3PA with 33% less of a reward. A shot close to the rim is a high probability shot in comparison. This is why the overwhelming majority of FGA should be close to the basket or from 3.
And you’re doing the same exact thing you’re accusing me and the others of doing. We aren’t saying to draw up only mid range shots and not shoot 3s. You take the best percentage shot in the flow of the offense and sometimes that’s the mid range
Was Rip and the pistons dumb?
Never-still Rip Hamilton was deadly from two-point range for Detroit
Coming off screens and knocking down mid-range jumpers like it was his day job. Scratch that, it was his day job. I’m talking about Richard Hamilton, perhaps better known by his moniker of “Rip.” Recently, Hamilton told the Detroit Free Press that he thinks the Pistons of his era should have won...
During the Pistons’ six-season stretch of ECF appearances, the University of Connecticut product made 47.5 percent of his two-point shots while also shooting 46.3 percent from the field.
Secondly, Pistons fans will never forget the dynamic duo that he formed with fellow Pistons backcourt mate Chauncey Billups.
To no surprise, the three seasons when Rip proved to be the most efficient from two-point range (from 2005-06 until ‘07-08 when he shot no worse than 48.3 percent on his mid-range shots), his backcourt partner Billups put together the three finest seasons of his NBA career as a facilitator.
“That was a kid getting the opportunity to play with the GOAT, the guy you looked up to as a kid. One that sticks out for me is playing against him in practice. People look at my mid-range game and say I have one of the best of all time, but a lot of that came off of being in the practices with MJ. I remember one time I was playing against him and he took two hard dribbles to the basket and pulled up and he was like ‘Rip, add that to your game.’ That’s the hardest play in the game of basketball to guard. And I was like, why? And he was like, because as a defender they are backpedaling so he can’t jump to the highest point to block your shot. He’s always off-balance and you’re always on-balance. People all across the league kept hitting me up like, ‘How did you get your medium-range game so good?’ From the tools of Michael Jordan. From the opportunity to be around him for the two years I was in Washington.”
Significantly lower? I was actually going to offer a similar opinion, in the opposite direction. The worst shot in basketball is taken 1 mm inside the 3-point line. That's a 2 but not a mid-range shot, of course. Take out long-range shots inside the 3 and the true mid-range percentage is higher. I think.
If is the key. If if was a 5th, we'd all be drunk.
