Why don’t we find some midrange shots

[Psolo12]

We don't have outside shooters like Baylor, Nova, or the Zags.

We don’t have outside shooters but we want to take more jump shots that are lower percentage? If you want to argue we should pound the ball inside more id agree but this mid range stuff is absurd.

 

[Kolumbo]

There is no reason Whaley and Polley, with their length, can't get easy looks from mid-range. Whaley actually passed up two open looks about 20 seconds apart. Strange.

 

[CL82]

We don’t have outside shooters but we want to take more jump shots that are lower percentage? If you want to argue we should pound the ball inside more id agree but this mid range stuff is absurd.

Shot chart from today:

Are you sure arguing for more threes is really the super genius position you think it is?

 

[McLovin]

We don’t have outside shooters but we want to take more jump shots that are lower percentage? If you want to argue we should pound the ball inside more id agree but this mid range stuff is absurd.

As a Yankees fan, this is the same attitude of sticking to the analytics that has plagued that franchise for the past 4 years.

Not saying we have to make the midrange game a staple of our offense, but sports also has a mental aspect to it. This isn’t NBA2K.

But when shooters like Hawk and Polley (if we must play him) can’t hit iron from 3, we need to get them some easier shots that get their confidence up.

Jerome Dyson used to have a pregame routine of taking 100 “jumpshots” from the paint to get his feel and see the ball go through the rim.

Sports is about managing the analytics and the intangibles (like confidence).

 

[Psolo12]

Shot chart from today:
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And are you sure arguing for more threes is really the super genius position you think it is?

I’m not arguing for more 3’s. I’m arguing against more mid ranges.

 

[CL82]

I’m not arguing for more 3’s. I’m arguing against more mid ranges.

Do you want to take another look at that chart?

 

[I Bleed Blue]

We don’t have outside shooters but we want to take more jump shots that are lower percentage? If you want to argue we should pound the ball inside more id agree but this mid range stuff is absurd.

I don't think anyone is saying take low percentage 18 footers here.

Cole and Hawkins have a pretty solid mid range game within ~10ft already. It's definitely a strength to their games. If guys like Akok and Jackson can add a little mid range game our offense would be improved.

 

[Psolo12]

Do you want to take another look at that chart?

No successful basketball coach in college or the NBA schemes to take more mid range jumpers. If you want to go against proven basketball analytical data that’s your prerogative.

 

[navery12]

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When you’re hitting 50% from two and 30% from three, “analytics” favor the two.

It may favor the 2, but not the mid-range 2

 

[I Bleed Blue]

No successful basketball coach in college or the NBA schemes to take more mid range jumpers. If you want to go against proven basketball analytical data that’s your prerogative.

Our current roster isn't built like modern NBA or top college teams. It's built like an old school Big East team.

 

[Psolo12]

Mid ranges also lend themselves to more follow ups and different rebound situations. We can't go strictly by shooting percentages. With the height we have, that should favor us.

Is there statistics that prove that mid ranges lead to more offensive rebounds? I don’t think that’s true

 

[Psolo12]

Our current roster isn't built like modern NBA or top college teams. It's built like an old school Big East team.

Then we should get more inside 2’s rather than mid range 2’s.

 

[Mots010]

No successful basketball coach in college or the NBA schemes to take more mid range jumpers. If you want to go against proven basketball analytical data that’s your prerogative.

In the era of three point shots, Our coach has managed to put together a team that can’t shoot them. Jackson plays the 2 or 3 and has some of the worst shot mechanics I’ve ever seen.

 

[Kolumbo]

I’m not arguing for more 3’s. I’m arguing against more mid ranges.

Mid ranges also lend themselves to more follow ups and different rebound situations. We can't go strictly by shooting percentages. With the height we have, that should favor us.

Does anyone have Donyell's shot chart available?

 

[Psolo12]

In the era of three point shots, Our coach has managed to put together a team that can’t shoot them. Jackson plays the 2 or 3 and has some of the worst shot mechanics I’ve ever seen.

Jackson is currently shooting 10% better from 3 than 3 point specialist Polley.

 

[Kolumbo]

Is there statistics that prove that mid ranges lead to more offensive rebounds? I don’t think that’s true

I don't have that data, but I'd like to see it.

 

[CL82]

No successful basketball coach in college or the NBA schemes to take more mid range jumpers. If you want to go against proven basketball analytical data that’s your prerogative.

Thank you, I appreciate your permission.

Do you understand how analytics works? You apply the percentage of the shot to the value of the shot and it yields a value. But this particular team isn’t shooting well enough from three for the math to work.

The problem with your theory is you’re saying well as an average for all of NCAA basketball the three is a better shot. You’re not wrong as far as that goes, but unfortunately Hurley coaches this team and for this particular team, taking a high volume of shots from behind the arch isn’t a winning proposition.

 

[CL82]

It may favor the 2, but not the mid-range 2

If you look at that chart, I actually suspect it may actually favor the mid range two, but I haven’t done the math. But I think the point is that we need to be judicious about the number of threes we take.

 

[Psolo12]

Thank you, I appreciate your permission.

Do you understand how analytics works? You apply the percentage of the shot to the value of the shot and it yields a value. But this particular team isn’t shooting well enough from three for the math to work.

The problem with your theory is you’re saying well as an average for all of NCAA basketball the three is a better shot. You’re not wrong as far as that goes, but unfortunately Hurley coaches this team and for this particular team, taking a high volume of shots from behind the arch isn’t a winning proposition.

Not really a theory if it’s an approach that is proven and utilized by all good NBA and NCAA teams.

 

[navery12]

If you look at that chart, I actually suspect it may actually favor the mid range two, but I haven’t done the math. But I think the point is that we need to be judicious about the number of threes we take.

We definitely need to stop taking so many 3's, especially contested ones. Not sure what we shoot on mid-range shots but we'd have to shoot 45% on 2's to get more points per possession than the 30% we shoot on 3's. Doesn't account for any rebounding stats so it's not a real answer, but a good judge

 

[Kolumbo]

We definitely need to stop taking so many 3's, especially contested ones. Not sure what we shoot on mid-range shots but we'd have to shoot 45% on 2's to get more points per possession than the 30% we shoot on 3's. Doesn't account for any rebounding stats so it's not a real answer, but a good judge

Tonight we let MU back in the game by missing 3's. Theory, approach, what have you. We missed and MU came back to within 1 freaking point.

 

[Psolo12]

Transition baskets which I’m all for and Tyrese and RJ being great. That’s what got the ball in the hoop most.

 

[CL82]

Not really a theory if it’s an approach that is proven and utilized by all good NBA and NCAA teams.

You don’t understand math do you? At 30% the three is not a better shot.

 

[uconnfan68]

Plenty of mid range shots tonight from Cole, Martin and Whaley.

Whaley passed from inside the arc, twice, in the same possession. Not sure why he doesn’t have a little jump hook yet.