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I'd play UMass every year as long as we didn't have to play an FCS school. We should really look to play one of the Northern ACC schools for the end of the year games, a la Ga-Ga Tech. USC-Clemson, FLA-FSU. BC would be ideal, if not then Cuse, then Pitt if those don't work Rutgers.
 
only reason i chose umass was because they have the hockey and basketball program to make the big event i was talking about worthwhile and they would actually play us. BC is obviously first choice but i'm not living in fantasy land like some of the people on here and realize that its not going to happen. Rutgers would be a better football game but they do not provide the same draw in the other sports (do they even have hockey?) to make the big event possible. Pitt isn't bad but honestly was there really much of a hatred for pitt when they were BE with us?
 
If Rutgers had a non club hockey team then they would probably cancel the program.
 
1. Both teams need a New England rival
2. Easy travel to Amherst (yes, this game should be played on their campus when they host it, and obviously in EH when we host it)
3. Now that UMASS basketball is respectable again, make it a sports series ( hockey game Thanksgiving night, bball game Friday night, football game saturday)
4. Make it a trophy game. Would be pretty cool to see our players holding up the trophy after kicking umASS
5. At least for now, saves an easier game for the end of the schedule after a tough stretch of conference games. Think about what the SEC does with most of their teams scheduling FCS teams the second to last week of the season.
6. Most students at both schools have friends that have gone to the other one. Incentive for students to travel and or show up to the home game over thanksgiving break


NO. It does nothing for UCONN at all.

Sorry but pass
 
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Pitt isn't bad but honestly was there really much of a hatred for pitt when they were BE with us?
IMO there wasn't much hatred with Pitt in football, though we always seemed to be a thorn in their side. We had some victories over them when they thought there was no way that would possibly happen. However, in hoops, we had some great games! The rivalry we had was classic. Who can forget the BE championship game where Ben Gordon came into his own and went off against Pitt? That was perhaps the greatest game against them, but there were many.
 
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IMO there wasn't much hatred with Pitt in football, though we always seemed to be a thorn in their side. We had some victories over them when they thought there was no way that would possibly happen. However, in hoops, we had some great games! The rivalry we had was classic. Who can forget the BE championship game where Ben Gordon came into his own and went off against Pitt? That was perhaps the greatest game against them, but there were many.

We beat them, often. They really didn't like that because they thought they were better than us. IMO, that's the best kind of rival. Too bad they really went into the tank as a program.
 
I'm all for more regional games and while I don't think a UMass game is the best idea it's not horrible either. I just want everyone to remember their reaction to this thread the next time someone like Coach Flood comes on over and tells all of us that RU has ZERO reason to play UConn and you all go off on him. Every reason RU fans give for not wanting/needing to play UConn are the same ones you are all giving to not wanting/needing to play UMass. Just a thought......
 
1. Both teams need a New England rival
2. Easy travel to Amherst (yes, this game should be played on their campus when they host it, and obviously in EH when we host it)
3. Now that UMASS basketball is respectable again, make it a sports series ( hockey game Thanksgiving night, bball game Friday night, football game saturday)
4. Make it a trophy game. Would be pretty cool to see our players holding up the trophy after kicking umASS
5. At least for now, saves an easier game for the end of the schedule after a tough stretch of conference games. Think about what the SEC does with most of their teams scheduling FCS teams the second to last week of the season.
6. Most students at both schools have friends that have gone to the other one. Incentive for students to travel and or show up to the home game over thanksgiving break

It's BC for The New England Cup on Thanksgiving Saturday...Home & home...We do not need another game only found on the radio. This heard only 14 miles from where it is played....
 
Please, that's horse crap.

UConn and Rutgers are still in a conference together.

We don't have to invent a rivalry or pretend there's parity because it's already there.
 
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It's BC for The New England Cup on Thanksgiving Saturday...Home & home...We do not need another game only found on the radio. This heard only 14 miles from where it is played....


I may not be familiar with this but how many times has this been played in the last 15 years and what sport are you referring to?
 
There is a surprising level of complete ignorance on this board about the ramifications of our current conference situation. We are in a southern mid-major conference where UConn will be lucky to average 30,000 fans because casual UConn fans could care less about any of the teams in the league outside of Cincinnati and maybe a few old timers who remember when Houston or SMU were good.

BCU and Syracuse want nothing to do with UConn. I don't see a series with Pitt any time soon either. Look at our schedule. The only quality games were either scheduled before realignment or are with programs that have scheduling challenges themselves (BYU and Boise). There are maybe 3 SEC teams that would even consider a road trip to East Hartford. About the same for the Big 10. Most of the Big 12 seems content to load up on Sun Belt schools in the non conference.

So who will UConn be scheduling outside of UMass? Other MAC schools? A school that could get the Rent close to filled is a pretty popular opponent right now.
 
Drew...I'm a UMass fan and as much as that game would be a great deal for UMass, I'm agreeing with the guys on this board that are saying there is no real upside for UConn to do it at this time. If Umass builds the program like I hope they do, maybe 3-5 years down the road it would be great to re-establish the local rivalry, but I'd guess UConn will not be in the AAC by that time.
That said, I really do think basketball and hockey could put a week end series together annually that would be good for both schools.

This, this, this.
 
On the bright side, UMass does draw crowds comparable to the U in Miami while playing at Gilette. They would draw crowds comparable to Tulsa in Amherst. UMass fans are still happy to be 2 games ahead of us in the all-time series.
 
There is a surprising level of complete ignorance on this board about the ramifications of our current conference situation. ...
So who will UConn be scheduling outside of UMass? Other MAC schools? A school that could get the Rent close to filled is a pretty popular opponent right now.

Heal thyself in the ignorance dept. UMass didn't bring a crowd of note when they came to The Rent. And filling the Rent is more about the home team than the visitors.
 
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On the bright side, UMass does draw crowds comparable to the U in Miami while playing at Gilette. They would draw crowds comparable to Tulsa in Amherst. UMass fans are still happy to be 2 games ahead of us in the all-time series.

And we are happy to note that in the best season in UMass history, they lost to UConn twice.
 
I'll give Drew this, it's a creative idea to add a little buzz. Maybe UMass is the wrong choice with BC being the more obvious and more unlikely partner, but I like his thought process and the fact that he’s thinking outside the box. I still remember fondly when UConn and Kansas played back to back men’s and women’s hoop games on TV. A glorious Saturday spent drinking at Coaches, but I digress. If 1 site hosted all three events, every other year would be a little boost to the local economy, assuming folks would be interested in getting a hotel room for 2 nights and spending the weekend cheering on their teams. I wouldn’t do it on Thanksgiving due to family travel and Black Friday Christmas shopping, but any other weekend would be fine.
 
Carl I am a young guy, 21 year old junior from NC so I don't really know the history of uconn. I just know part of the reason that there's these crazy rabid fanbases for colleges where i'm from is because they play local teams.

South Carolina opened against UNC this year and plays Clemson every year (which would be considered a regional rivalry game, that as of late has garnered some attention nationally), UF plays FSU, ECU regularly plays UNC, Duke, and State, etc. It's good to play these local OOC games because it helps grow the sport in your area. And to those that say we should be playing games in recruiting areas, how many players from MA do we have on the roster? Wasn't our best linebacker from MA this past season?

I think it's actually a good thing in the long run if we can help keep Umass alive in D1 and have them eventually join our conference again. I guess that's how I'm looking at it. Just imagine the scene it would be having us play a Hockey East game against Umass on Thanksgiving night at XL, bball game there the next day, and after splitting the first two events beating Umass in football in East Hartford and UConn running across the field to grab the trophy and celebrate while the band plays the fight song and the crowd erupts in cheers. After doing it for 5 years maybe BC and RU see how big of a success it is and they decide to make it an even bigger event by joining in.

Doing this athletics series is more than just playing Umass. It makes UConn football, and more importantly, college sports, an event for a whole weekend where people are usually with family and they can make a tradition out of going to these games. People are right when they say we don't have traditions at this level, but why be afraid to make them?


I figured. Here's the hard truth and quick history lesson.

Without the complete dysfunction of the Big East conference from about 1990-2010, UCONN football, and most likely it's entire athletic department, and by extension the university itself, is not where it's at, and we are most likely still on par with our long time new england state instutions like UMass, URI, Maine, UNH, Vermont. WHo knows - maybe hockey would be the dominant sport at UCONN had the Big East conference disbanded in 1991 and not started playign football. No other BCS conference (BCS begain in 1998 - out of a few iterations of similar concepts) would have given UCONN the opportunity we got to upgrade, and that offer came in 1997, and went into effect past point of no return in 2000.

So - without a doubt, we owe the vast majority of the credit as to why the institution has become the place it has, over the past 23 years, to the existence of the Big EAst conference, and our relationship with that conference. THat's the good. THe bad, is that by doing what we did, and playing the hands we were dealt the way we were dealt, we essentially gave up and then lost the concept of having rivalry in football. We gave up our long time rivalries to move. We navigated through different conferences and independance to joining the Big EAst a year early in 2004. THe programs we though we'd be playing all left. New programs came in.

Football scheduling and developing rivalry is a long term commitment. YOu only get 12 games a year, and 8 of those minimum need to be conference games. I bet that if you were to go back and look, that since 1997, we have not played one single program more than 6 or 7 times total. With the constant change in conference membership, we have different schedules every year, for 16 years, which means there has been no chance at all to build rivalry, let alone the kind of specific weekend each year rivalrly you are talking about.

Would I like to have it? What you describe? Yes. Absolutley, but UMass doesn't fit the bill, and the others that would, regionally, are in different conferences and don't have scheduling windows.

Therefore, for people your age, and even older, I would say - to about 30-35 or so, that have followed UCONN football, the concept of having a yearly rivalry game with anyone, is completely foreign. We reached for concepts like a rivalry with University of New Jersey, but they are now gone too.

So - that's the trade-off for making the upgrade, and joining the big boys, although we are conference affiliated, and have been, we are essentially very much like the independants remaining in 1A football, when it comes to being able to schedule a late November rivalry game in 2014-2015 and moving forward.

All of your ideas make perfect sense, and that's why it's kind of heartbreaking for me to read. BUt it's been laid out clearly, we do not have a conference affiliation, that would allow for regularl scheduling of such an opponent that you would like to see. If we do want to build such a late season scheduling arrangement with someone, it's either going to be a new conference member from scratch, or we need to pursue the indpendants that are always looking for late season scheduling, and the only two that make any sense would be Army or BYU, as I noted.

If UMass were to be such an opponent, they would have to rise up to our level, because we are not going back to theirs. To their credit, they're trying...but they are way behind, and it's not looking good.
 
1. Both teams need a New England rival
2. Easy travel to Amherst (yes, this game should be played on their campus when they host it, and obviously in EH when we host it)
3. Now that UMASS basketball is respectable again, make it a sports series ( hockey game Thanksgiving night, bball game Friday night, football game saturday)
4. Make it a trophy game. Would be pretty cool to see our players holding up the trophy after kicking umASS
5. At least for now, saves an easier game for the end of the schedule after a tough stretch of conference games. Think about what the SEC does with most of their teams scheduling FCS teams the second to last week of the season.
6. Most students at both schools have friends that have gone to the other one. Incentive for students to travel and or show up to the home game over thanksgiving break

Boston College would be a more important rival on a number of fronts, RPI being a prime one. However UMASS would be a better
team to schedule than Buffalo or a Towson State.
 
UMASS......NO, NO NO, NO, NO NO...............
Maybe as the secomd game of the season every year as an OOC if we already have 3 p5 schools scheduled.
Thanksgiving....More amenable to developing either BC series, though I doubt they would have the stones to schedule a game....and keep the Rutgers series alive and call it the NY BOWL...home and home every year.with one game every 5th year in the Bronx...
we do have 32K alumni in Manhattan et al.
 
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UMASS.NO, NO NO, NO, NO NO.....
Maybe as the secomd game of the season every year as an OOC if we already have 3 p5 schools scheduled.
Thanksgiving....More amenable to developing either BC series, though I doubt they would have the stones to schedule a game....and keep the Rutgers series alive and call it the NY BOWL...home and home every year.with one game every 5th year in the Bronx...
we do have 32K alumni in Manhattan et al.
Like the idea of a Rutgers Rivalry - Also keeps us tracking with B1G, Penn State also. More visibility when recruiting NJ & PA
 
On a cold Saturday after thanksgiving there are a million other things if rather get up for than UMass (say, a league game with meaning). I'd tolerate it more as a home opener. BC/Rutgers are much better suggestions, but until they are on the schedule...
 
University of New Jersey scheduling an annual game with UCONN would be a good thing. Just for a stability and scheduling standpoint, as well as the other reasons mentioned. It's be shocked if it were to happen though. Just not realistic, to expect any program that is in a conference, to agree to schedule a regular out of conference game late in the season. Independants? Different story, but Notre Dame is not coming, and Idaho, and New Mexico St? No thanks. Navy will be in our conference, and they would be an intriguing matchup for the last weekend of November, but they already have Army scheduled for their last game of the season every year, so they are probably not having any more rigidity in their schedule. That leaves Army and BYU - who are already signed up for 2 game series each. I personally, would be happy with an annual, regular BYU or Army game in late November.

The problem with these ideas, involving BC, New Jersey, or any other conference affiliated program, including UMass, is that with now a group of over extended, large conferences, there just isn't enough scheduling windows. The Big 10 is going to a 9 game conference scheduling format if I'm not mistaken. That leaves 3 Saturdays open each season for them to scheduled out of conference. I'm not sure how the American conference will go with scheduling, I hope they remain at an 8 game format, and it's essential that we maintain a round robing format such that every year we are playing at least one game in Florida, Texas, and either Louisiana/Oklahoma/Tennessee. The recruiting advantages that gives us as an individual program, and for the programs within the conference, to be able to schedule games that way, and vice versa, for those southern programs to come north, and still be able to promise playing at home every year, and on TV every week is huge.

Frankly - given the way the money situation shakes out over the next 6 years or so, the extended success of everything, of inking a deal that is in the neighborhood it should be in when it comes to cash flow - and sports broadcasting revenue, depends on our ability to successfully recruit and and generate winning programs in this conference that draw people and their short attention spans.
 
Years ago, during the Marcus Camby era a hue & cry for a hoops game developed. It may soon develop again as UMass is fast becoming relevant in hoops.
As of today, and for several more years, there is no demand for UConn & UMass to play football on a regular basis.
 
Navy will be in our conference, and they would be an intriguing matchup for the last weekend of November, but they already have Army scheduled for their last game of the season every year, so they are probably not having any more rigidity in their schedule. That leaves Army and BYU - who are already signed up for 2 game series each. I personally, would be happy with an annual, regular BYU or Army game in late November.

ARMY/NAVY was played in mid December. Which is at least one week after the rest of FBS football school have completed their schedule. I think its been that way for a while.
 
UMass will always be there. No rush. I think the Thanksgiving Rivalry set up would fail simply because the students don't seem to attend those Thanksgiving weekend games.

I would give Rutgers some time. They will be happy in their new home, but there isn't another school in that conference that will perceive them as a rival. They may opt to make a traditonal opponent like us as a fixture on their OOC.

I would bet that barring an encounter in a bowl, that we will play BC before SU will ever schedule us. Pitt was never a rivalry, we dominated them but they didn't seem to care.

If we can't get Rutgers then my next choice would be WVU.

In conference, I think UConn and Cincy has potential.
 
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