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Well, given the overwhelming consensus that she WAS playing injured her freshman year, I stand corrected and I am now even more hopeful of a breakout year for her this year!
"injury history" implies she has had a string of injuries, when the only injury that has been publicized is her Achilles injury last summer. So, are there other injuries she sustained in the past or while at UConn of which I am not aware? Otherwise, I think it misleads to imply she has more than just her injury last summer, unless you're talking about the team as a whole. If so, your reference to Jana in the sentence preceding you mentioning "the injury history" confuses the reader. Just saying.Most of what we read and have seen suggest its likely that Jana will start. However, my sense is, given the injury history, that Geno will limit her playing time to 20-25 minutes. So the OP question is quite relevant. While Ice played a lot last year somewhat due to a bench shortage, there will be a competition that gets settled on the practice floor. If KK and PB are on the floor, and given the backcourt depth, Geno will want a seriously up tempo game. Seems to me that favors the very athletic Ayanna and Sarah. Fun to think about.
I assumed @rugbymate meant the team’s recent injury history, rather than Jana’s. I think you’re right that she’s only had the one injury."injury history" implies she has had a string of injuries, when the only injury that has been publicized is her Achilles injury last summer. So, are there other injuries she sustained in the past or while at UConn of which I am not aware? Otherwise, I think it misleads to imply she has more than just her injury last summer, unless you're talking about the team as a whole. If so, your reference to Jana in the sentence preceding you mentioning "the injury history" confuses the reader. Just saying.
With two mini-seasons — the second one featuring the projected return of the walking wounded during Big East play — I would tend to think it’s a hybrid this year: differentiated sharpening and deepening. (We have talked about this before)I go back and forth on this one. In the P3 conferences, the quality of opposition mainly builds up leading into March. But the Big East represents a curve with a shallower slope. All the teams have improved leading up to the conference championship, but they don't typically pose a serious challenge to UConn. Villanova two years ago was an exceptional year, and it was largely because of Maddie Siegrist.
His practice of having a tough OOC schedule in November-December, then turning to an easier conference schedule, until a couple of really tough games in February, then returning to conference play has been his practice for quite a while. What sort of rotation does he want to have by the time he plays SC or Tennessee or ND? That's the most revealing moment for me. I suspect Dawn has tended to use the UConn game in a similar way, to test out the rotation that has begun to gel.
I think Geno uses his conference schedule to sharpen his rotation, and while he often starts with something perhaps 10-deep, he usually ends with something more like 7 or 8-deep. This is also more or less what all the NC contenders end up doing. I think Dawn kept a deeper rotation last season than usual, which was impressive, and ominous for the rest of D1.
The question each season is whether Geno uses his conference schedule to deepen his rotation or to sharpen a shorter rotation. I'd like to think he'll keep a deeper rotation this year. But I always hope for that, as do many others. But the fact is, by March he needs to know his starting 5 can give 30 excellent minutes if needed, and that the next 2 or 3 can give 15-20 really solid minutes. This may require shortening the rotation as the season wears on. But he also may need to know that the 9th or 10th player can give solid minutes in case of foul trouble for a starter. This is inherently a chancey speculation.
Every SEC women’s basketball program is light years ahead of anyone in the Big East other thanI think the P-4's conference schedules are generally not as brutal as they are often described by the media. Last season the AP had 5 SEC teams in their preseason top 25. Going into the tournament after week 20 there were only 2 SEC schools left in the top 25. In their preseason top 25 poll the AP had 2 non-P-5 teams and going into the tournament there were 4.
Admittedly this isn't compelling evidence but considering that the BE had as many top 25 teams as the SEC (2) once the regular season was over isn't it time to admit that the emperor (SEC) has no clothes on? I have to wonder how much good all that football money did for their wcbb programs?
Every SEC women’s basketball program is light years ahead of anyone in the Big East other than
Uconn
To somehow make an argument that there is parity in the two leagues it’s kind of silly
Lol she is to short and to light she would pushed around to muchI'd like to see QS converted to a center or at least get some time there. Very long arms could make her a good inside presence. I know it's thinking outside the box, but need to get her more minutes.
I re-watched a game from last fall, I think it may have been the game against Minnesota; I was jonesing, so I took that in this past weekend.I'd like to see QS converted to a center or at least get some time there. Very long arms could make her a good inside presence. I know it's thinking outside the box, but need to get her more minutes.
Q can't be expected to body up a low post bruiser type, and that would be the main disadvantage, but I think she could be considered a small ball 4 alternative along with Paige, Caroline, and Morgan. I am pretty sure Q out-rebounded Ice on a per minute basis, but I present that mostly as evidence we need more minutes at the 4 and 5 from players that can rebound better than both of those players.I re-watched a game from last fall, I think it may have been the game against Minnesota; I was jonesing, so I took that in this past weekend.
Anyway, the commentary announcer who was an ex-WNBA player, mentioned that earlier in the day in a conversation, Geno speaking about Qadence had said, "She is an absolute younger version of you! Of the ten or so things that it takes to be a supreme basketball player, Q has two of them. 1) She can shoot the leather off of the ball, and, 2) She has extreme confidence with an attitude that she is never going to fail! With those two, she can absolutely be a star; you are my proof of that!"
That said, I personally don't ever see Qadence being a post player.
Thanks for pointing out the ambiguity....I was referring to Jana's recent injury only. The point i was trying to make is that the injury was serious enough that it will likely limit Geno's allotment of minutes to her. Hence, the back up question is highly relevant.I assumed @rugbymate meant the team’s recent injury history, rather than Jana’s. I think you’re right that she’s only had the one injury.

+1I’m certainly no expert on medical matters but I’d be very surprised, given what I’ve seen and heard, if Jana is not a full go in the first game of the year. I believe minute restrictions for her, if there are any at all, will be more a function of foul trouble or coaching her up, rather than any lingering injury issues. Here’s hoping for a healthy, fun season for all! I can’t wait!!!!![]()
How about being a Kalana Greene / Ashley Battle / Kelly Farris player in Geno’s schemes, but rangier and with better offense?I'd like to see QS converted to a center or at least get some time there. Very long arms could make her a good inside presence. I know it's thinking outside the box, but need to get her more minutes.
I agree completely. This is the essence of the positionless offense Geno likes to run. Having a dominant low post player is a powerful formula, but it’s not the only way to win. Also, I think it doesn’t prepare bigs for the W very well if they never develop perimeter skills.Let me take a different approach to this. If Jana is as good on the outside as we've heard she just might be playing more of a wing at times. Coming outside much like Stewie did. If that happens then who plays the middle? My guess would be ICE for starters with others giving her a breather. ICE likes to come out and hit 15 footers too. We just may have a group of bigs who can play inside and out. Ive seen videos of Jana driving the lane for pull ups and hitting shots from 15ft and beyond. Im not sure we will have a true post player looking at our lineup. I get the feeling that Jana may start down low however she may also be playing the wing at times. Picture our Bigs playing more like wings and much like the Stewie Dolsen Stokes days and with their height and size matchups are going to be tuff for opponents.
There is no way Jana is going to be playing "Wing." Unless your definition is 4 out and 1 in maybe with Patterson or Griffin. The definition of a Wing is a perimeter type that sits outside mostly. When you speak of "limiting" and you call Jana a "wing" that is exactly what you are doing is "limiting her. And when a player is called a center- where has it even been written that centers are not allowed to shoot from the outside?Let me take a different approach to this. If Jana is as good on the outside as we've heard she just might be playing more of a wing at times. Coming outside much like Stewie did. If that happens then who plays the middle? My guess would be ICE for starters with others giving her a breather. ICE likes to come out and hit 15 footers too. We just may have a group of bigs who can play inside and out. Ive seen videos of Jana driving the lane for pull ups and hitting shots from 15ft and beyond. Im not sure we will have a true post player looking at our lineup. I get the feeling that Jana may start down low however she may also be playing the wing at times. Picture our Bigs playing more like wings and much like the Stewie Dolsen Stokes days and with their height and size matchups are going to be tuff for opponents.

Yes, I can see some high-low post play among El Alfy, Brady, Strong, and Patterson. I still miss the days of Dolson passing to Tuck or Stewie and Gabby to Collier. It'd be wonderful to have a year with a big leading UConn in assists; haven't seen that in awhile.Let me take a different approach to this. If Jana is as good on the outside as we've heard she just might be playing more of a wing at times. Coming outside much like Stewie did. If that happens then who plays the middle? My guess would be ICE for starters with others giving her a breather. ICE likes to come out and hit 15 footers too. We just may have a group of bigs who can play inside and out. Ive seen videos of Jana driving the lane for pull ups and hitting shots from 15ft and beyond. Im not sure we will have a true post player looking at our lineup. I get the feeling that Jana may start down low however she may also be playing the wing at times. Picture our Bigs playing more like wings and much like the Stewie Dolsen Stokes days and with their height and size matchups are going to be tuff for opponents.
Tony, you have some amazing posts, and I read and like them all. This one made me flip and at my age that says a lot. I could not agree more on this one. If I had the ability to give likes I would have given you one. My account has had the ability to give likes has been deleted. Consider this a page full of likes.Let me take a different approach to this. If Jana is as good on the outside as we've heard she just might be playing more of a wing at times. Coming outside much like Stewie did. If that happens then who plays the middle? My guess would be ICE for starters with others giving her a breather. ICE likes to come out and hit 15 footers too. We just may have a group of bigs who can play inside and out. Ive seen videos of Jana driving the lane for pull ups and hitting shots from 15ft and beyond. Im not sure we will have a true post player looking at our lineup. I get the feeling that Jana may start down low however she may also be playing the wing at times. Picture our Bigs playing more like wings and much like the Stewie Dolsen Stokes days and with their height and size matchups are going to be tuff for opponents.
Jana can't limit herself to being just a Wing (and she wou;ldn't be a Wing - she would still be the Center or maybe "a Stretch 4." But no way "A Wing.")There is no way Jana is going to be playing "Wing." Unless your definition is 4 out and 1 in maybe with Patterson or Griffin. The definition of a Wing is a perimeter type that sits outside mostly. When you speak of "limiting" and you call Jana a "wing" that is exactly what you are doing is "limiting her. And when a player is called a center- where has it even been written that centers are not allowed to shoot from the outside?
Geno had once said that if he had Griner he would have also had her take outside shots more than she did at Baylor. He did the same with Dolson. They were Centers that can also shoot from the Outside. No reason why Jana can't be this.
Jana can't limit herself to being just a Wing (and she wou;ldn't be a Wing - she would still be the Center or maybe "a Stretch 4." But no way "A Wing.") If she is a Wing you can picture her flying down the left or right side on a fastbreak vs top tier teams?
She has to be able to punish smaller players inside. And really work on punishing anyone inside not just smaller players is most ideal. Otherwise she allows smaller players to guard her whenever her shot is off.
The problem with many “Bigs” is that they don’t want to be Bigs.
Let me take a different approach to this. If Jana is as good on the outside as we've heard she just might be playing more of a wing at times. Coming outside much like Stewie did. If that happens then who plays the middle? My guess would be ICE for starters with others giving her a breather. ICE likes to come out and hit 15 footers too. We just may have a group of bigs who can play inside and out. Ive seen videos of Jana driving the lane for pull ups and hitting shots from 15ft and beyond. Im not sure we will have a true post player looking at our lineup. I get the feeling that Jana may start down low however she may also be playing the wing at times. Picture our Bigs playing more like wings and much like the Stewie Dolsen Stokes days and with their height and size matchups are going to be tuff for opponents.
Especially when Azzi and Ash are on the floor with Paige.I also see El Alfy and Strong as an interchangeable high-low combination. Strong could be an amazing high post player given her passing and her 3pt shot.
With Bueckers being the primary attention of the defense on the perimeter all UConn's post players will have room to work.
I would love if we could get to a Stewie and Tuck situation with our bigs easily playing in or out from one play to the next. I think Jana, Ice, and Sarah have that opportunity.Let me take a different approach to this. If Jana is as good on the outside as we've heard she just might be playing more of a wing at times. Coming outside much like Stewie did. If that happens then who plays the middle? My guess would be ICE for starters with others giving her a breather. ICE likes to come out and hit 15 footers too. We just may have a group of bigs who can play inside and out. Ive seen videos of Jana driving the lane for pull ups and hitting shots from 15ft and beyond. Im not sure we will have a true post player looking at our lineup. I get the feeling that Jana may start down low however she may also be playing the wing at times. Picture our Bigs playing more like wings and much like the Stewie Dolsen Stokes days and with their height and size matchups are going to be tuff for opponents.
Q can't be expected to body up a low post bruiser type, and that would be the main disadvantage, but I think she could be considered a small ball 4 alternative along with Paige, Caroline, and Morgan. I am pretty sure Q out-rebounded Ice on a per minute basis, but I present that mostly as evidence we need more minutes at the 4 and 5 from players that can rebound better than both of those players.
I hope both Ayanna and Ice earn backup minutes behind Sarah and Jana respectively, but neither has performed "yet" at a level that is good enough IMO. Doesn't mean they can't or won't, just that so far it hasn't happened so there are major question marks. That is made even more uncertain by the fact we are counting on and expecting Sarah and Jana to be good and starters from day one, even though they haven't proven anything on this level either.
The only proven big returning is Aubrey who probably won't be ready at the start, and is more of a 3/4, but there is no doubt when healthy she can be a very good 4. Until then we need most if not all of our bigs to be the real deal from the start.
We don't really have a good plan B, using traditional bigs, if a couple of the players we are counting on don't come thru or get injured. On the other hand we have numerous very talented small ball 4 options and that may become the measuring stick to get playing time for non starting bigs.
I hope we don't have to go small ball, but having said that, if Ayanna or Ice are near their first year performance I don't think that is good enough to insure playing time vs. our smaller options.
I can't see moving Jana from center where we need of big bodies to wing where we already have depth. On the other hand, I could see her taking threes from time to time which would force the opposing center out of the paint to defend, opening driving lanes and taking her out of position for rebounds.Let me take a different approach to this. If Jana is as good on the outside as we've heard she just might be playing more of a wing at times. Coming outside much like Stewie did. If that happens then who plays the middle? My guess would be ICE for starters with others giving her a breather. ICE likes to come out and hit 15 footers too. We just may have a group of bigs who can play inside and out. Ive seen videos of Jana driving the lane for pull ups and hitting shots from 15ft and beyond. Im not sure we will have a true post player looking at our lineup. I get the feeling that Jana may start down low however she may also be playing the wing at times. Picture our Bigs playing more like wings and much like the Stewie Dolsen Stokes days and with their height and size matchups are going to be tuff for opponents.
Truer words have never been spoken.The problem with many “Bigs” is that they don’t want to be Bigs.
