Where does Boatright rank amongst all-time Uconn Point Guards

[UConnWingman]

just waiting for the boneyard mafia to come for our heads. To any rational hoop head, its pretty obvious boatright was a great second banana. Not really the guy you want leading an outfit of raw offensive talent. Boatright is a guy who would destroy on secondary pick n rolls ( a la 2014) when the defense is scrambled, and also excel is semi transition opportunities when he isnt burdened with controlling pace. none of those thing happened this year, and he played as well as he could(gaudy three point numbers) and really reached his ceiling.

I'm hard on boat, honestly he could have done something this year with a stretch four. he literally had no front court option on offense. Brimah is so poor at gaining good positioning, KO late in the year brought nolan in for no offense; just screening, rebounding, and swinging the ball. You would think facey flourishes under mwill, however facey is a terrible team defender. Begging for a transfer forward. The gap between markus kennedy and facey is jaw dropping

Boatright was not a top 10 point guard in UConn history, and the reason is what you round-about described here: he didn't make a single player better.

 

[mauconnfan]

Kemba
Shabazz
KEA
Doron
Kelley
Smitty
AJ
Marcus
Boat
Foster
KO

Honorable Mention: Joey Whelton, Taliek Brown, Ricky Moore, Tate George

 

[8893]

No love for Cup?

Gotta admit I honestly thought he was going to be great.

 

[Dogbreath2U]

Kemba, Bazz, Boat, Khalid, Smith, Kelly, Doron, Marcus, Taliek, AJ, Ollie.

No one listed after Boat could have carried this team that way Boat did. Kelly went head to head with GTown.
And Boat or Kelly playing with the talent of other teams would have been incredible.

These always come down to best year/career and what criteria for point guard is stressed. Boat was a great player, but did not have the point guard skills that others had. Real PG skills could have helped this year's team more. I would put Bazz/Kemba, Kemba/Bazz 1-2 career = Bazz, year = Kemba), then AJ, KEA, MW, Boat, Sheffer, Taliek, Ollie, George. Smith, Dyson, and Gordon were not really point guards, especially Dyson and Gordon and should not be on these lists IMHO. MW gets downgraded buy many for non-basketball issues, but he was the best passer and one of the best floor generals we had. MW had more moments of pure point guard brilliance than anyone.

Best passer: MW, Bazz/AJ, Sheffer

Best Scorer: Kemba, Bazz, AJ, Boat

Best Leader: KEA, Kemba, Ollie, Bazz (final 2 years)

Best Defender: Moore, Boat (last year and 1/3), Brown, Ollie

Who could break down zone defenses? AJ and MW were really good at it, Bazz got close to them if not as good. My memory on this is not as good going back further in time since I did not focus on it as much and I'm not as young as I used to be. This area was always a weakness for Boat and remained so his final year.

Best at breaking down defenses with the dribble: Kemba, Bazz, Brown, Boat, KEA

Best handle: Kemba, KEA, Brown, Ollie

Best shooter: Bazz, Sheffer, Kemba (last year), AJ.

Other categories?

 

[Dogbreath2U]

He is one of the most disappointing players in UConn history.

He was a part of two teams that were ranked No. 1 in the preseason and be sabotaged both of them with selfishness. Thank goodness we won his freshman year without him and zero backcourt depth.

He's nowhere near any list of mine. Give me Boat any day of the week.

This the one issue that you go overboard on, IMHO. Not totally, of course, but he was our best player down the stretch in 2006 and seemed to me to give it his all. (I am watching that season and am up to the OT against Syracuse in the BET, so the painful ending is approaching. I reserve the right to alter my comments some after watching the last bits).

 

[CTBasketball]

For me, boat is not in the top 8.

Kemba
Shabazz
Khalid
Marcus Williams
Smitty
AJ Price
Doron Sheffer
Tate George
Ricky Moore
Taliek
Boat

 

[mauconnfan]

These always come down to best year/career and what criteria for point guard is stressed. Boat was a great player, but did not have the point guard skills that others had. Real PG skills could have helped this year's team more. I would put Bazz/Kemba, Kemba/Bazz 1-2 career = Bazz, year = Kemba), then AJ, KEA, MW, Boat, Sheffer, Taliek, Ollie, George. Smith, Dyson, and Gordon were not really point guards, especially Dyson and Gordon and should not be on these lists IMHO. MW gets downgraded buy many for non-basketball issues, but he was the best passer and one of the best floor generals we had. MW had more moments of pure point guard brilliance than anyone.

Best passer: MW, Bazz/AJ, Sheffer

Best Scorer: Kemba, Bazz, AJ, Boat

Best Leader: KEA, Kemba, Ollie, Bazz (final 2 years)

Best Defender: Moore, Boat (last year and 1/3), Brown, Ollie

Who could break down zone defenses? AJ and MW were really good at it, Bazz got close to them if not as good. My memory on this is not as good going back further in time since I did not focus on it as much and I'm not as young as I used to be. This area was always a weakness for Boat and remained so his final year.

Best at breaking down defenses with the dribble: Kemba, Bazz, Brown, Boat, KEA

Best handle: Kemba, KEA, Brown, Ollie

Best shooter: Bazz, Sheffer, Kemba (last year), AJ.

Other categories?

You have to add Cup Cormier to "Best Handle" - the kid had it on a string, just cut the mustard way too much! And handle has a lot to do with TO's so Sheffer has to be on it.

 

[mauconnfan]

He is one of the most disappointing players in UConn history.

He was a part of two teams that were ranked No. 1 in the preseason and be sabotaged both of them with selfishness. Thank goodness we won his freshman year without him and zero backcourt depth.

He's nowhere near any list of mine. Give me Boat any day of the week.

That's so wrong. He was easily the best passer we've seen and turned out to be a better scorer than anyone thought he would be. While he wasn't a defensive specialist by any sense he was very smart and made plays on that end too. If he didn't screw up in class Taliek would've played less his senior year than he did. Just my opinion.

 

[tzznandrew]

That's so wrong. He was easily the best passer we've seen and turned out to be a better scorer than anyone thought he would be. While he wasn't a defensive specialist by any sense he was very smart and made plays on that end too. If he didn't screw up with the lap top gate Taliek would've played less his senior year than he did. Just my opinion.

Laptops were going into the 2006 season. He just straight flunked off the team mid-year in 2004.

If AJP were healthy in 2006 (and I know he didn't get the go ahead after the brain aneurism--but he was off the team for the full year anyway and the doctors may not have felt much pressure...someone more knowledgeable can tell me how dumb I am) he would have been either playing significant minutes off the bench, or playing alongside Williams. That team lost 2 regular season games all year, even without Marcus for half a year, and AJP for the whole year. Imagine what Price could have brought to that team as the first guard off the bench.

 

[mauconnfan]

Laptops were going into the 2006 season. He just straight flunked off the team mid-year in 2004.

If AJP were healthy in 2006 (and I know he didn't get the go ahead after the brain aneurism--but he was off the team for the full year anyway and the doctors may not have felt much pressure...someone more knowledgeable can tell me how dumb I am) he would have been either playing significant minutes off the bench, or playing alongside Williams. That team lost 2 regular season games all year, even without Marcus for half a year, and AJP for the whole year. Imagine what Price could have brought to that team as the first guard off the bench.

Yeah had the wrong screw ups in mind lol.. I think these are part of the reason many of the UConn faithful don't give Marcus his due and not actually what he did on the court.

He at the point and AJ to the 2 would've been pure torture for many teams.

 

[tzznandrew]

Yeah had the wrong screw ups in mind lol.. I think these are part of the reason many of the UConn faithful don't give Marcus his due and not actually what he did on the court.

He at the point and AJ to the 2 would've been pure torture for many teams.

Especially since they both could shoot and drive. And with Anderson on court as the 3 sometimes? Wow.

And a sophomore AJP who actually had played the year before wouldn't have spent the whole year clearing off rust, and so that team probably at least makes the NIT with a sophomore Price-Adrien-Austrie-Johnson to go with the crew of freshmen.

 

[CL82]

1) Kemba - Most magical run of all time - period.
2) Shabazz - I would have said Bazz's run was an unbelievable once in a lifetime accomplishment, but for Kemba's run.
3) El-Amin - You always remember your first. The kid is definition of swagger and one my all time favorites.
4) Taliek - Success matters. One the BY's favorite whipping boys, but he got it done, didn't he?
5) Smitty - Started it all. You have to wonder if all happens without him deciding to stay home.
6) KO - Solid player for us whose NBA career helped define UConn as program that gets you to the NBA, but NC #4 and continuity for the program after the departure of a legend probably should move him higher on the list.
7) Boat - Rough senior year but we don't #4 without him last year. The kid can do it all. Take it hole, hit the three drive and dish, whatever you need he can provide. His lock down D made every other teams PG look bad last year. On pure athleticism, I'd move him up to #3.
8) Doron Sheffer - perfect complement to Ray he added maturity to the team. Finished with more than 1,300 points, 500 assists and 400 rebounds. Once had a fan offer her daughter in marriage to him. When he blushed and said nothing, the woman said "how about me?" That ought to count for something.
9)Tate - Earned his place because of the shot, one of the many legendary moments for the program.
10) Tough call. Call it pick 'em between Marcus and AJ. Williams has better career assists, AJ better career points. Always link them because of the incident. Despite Williams jaw dropping passes and court vision, I'd give a slight nod to AJ.

 

[mauconnfan]

1) Kemba - Most magical run of all time - period.
2) Shabazz - I would have said Bazz's run was an unbelievable once in a lifetime accomplishment, but for Kemba's run.
3) El-Amin - You always remember your first. The kid is definition of swagger and one my all time favorites.
4) Taliek - Success matters. One the BY's favorite whipping boys, but he got it done, didn't he?
5) Smitty - Started it all. You have to wonder if all happens without him deciding to stay home.
6) KO - Solid player for us whose NBA career helped define UConn as program that gets you to the NBA, but NC #4 and continuity for the program after the departure of a legend probably should move him higher on the list.
7) Boat - Rough senior year but we don't #4 without him last year. The kid can do it all. Take it hole, hit the three drive and dish, whatever you need he can provide. His lock down D made every other teams PG look bad last year. On pure athleticism, I'd move him up to #3.
8) Doron Sheffer - perfect complement to Ray he added maturity to the team. Finished with more than 1,300 points, 500 assists and 400 rebounds. Once had a fan offer her daughter in marriage to him. When he blushed and said nothing, the woman said "how about me?" That ought to count for something.
9)Tate - Earned his place because of the shot, one of the many legendary moments for the program.
10) Tough call. Call it pick 'em between Marcus and AJ. Williams has better career assists, AJ better career points. Always link them because of the incident. Despite Williams jaw dropping passes and court vision, I'd give a slight nod to AJ.

You can pick on me all you want but to put him 4th is beyond ridiculous. Top 10 is a maybe, 4th is not being real with your list.

 

[CL82]

1) Kemba - Most magical run of all time - period.
2) Shabazz - I would have said Bazz's run was an unbelievable once in a lifetime accomplishment, but for Kemba's run.
3) El-Amin - You always remember your first. The kid is definition of swagger and one my all time favorites.
4) Ricky Moore! Crimeny! How did I miss him on the first go round. One of the best performances in a NC Game. Kept us in it with his offense in the first half and his defense in the second half. Take him Trajan? I...think...not.
5) Taliek - Success matters. One the BY's favorite whipping boys, but he got it done, didn't he?
6) Smitty - Started it all. You have to wonder if all happens without him deciding to stay home.
7) KO - Solid player for us whose NBA career helped define UConn as program that gets you to the NBA, but NC #4 and continuity for the program after the departure of a legend probably should move him higher on the list.
8) Boat - Rough senior year but we don't #4 without him last year. The kid can do it all. Take it hole, hit the three drive and dish, whatever you need he can provide. His lock down D made every other teams PG look bad last year. On pure athleticism, I'd move him up to #3.
9) Doron Sheffer - perfect complement to Ray he added maturity to the team. Finished with more than 1,300 points, 500 assists and 400 rebounds. Once had a fan offer her daughter in marriage to him. When he blushed and said nothing, the woman said "how about me?" That ought to count for something.
10) Tate - Earned his place because of the shot, one of the many legendary moments for the program.

Edited to include Moore.

 

[DogMania]

Yeah, it's hard. I'd probably have Price a little higher. Probably ahead of George, Boat, and Brown.

As for Sheffer: he averaged 4.8 apg his freshmen year, 5.5 his sophomore, and 6 his junior year. Those first two years, too, he shared the space with KO, who racked up a ton of assists. Sheffer was definitely a PG.

If AJ had not been stricken with AVM, he would be much higher on that list. I remember watching him go 1 on 1 against...maybe MW...before the season began and his handle, abilities score from all over the floor was unbelievable as a freshman.

When I first saw him play, I said he was the best point guard UConn had ever had at the time. It's too bad we never got a chance to see how good a college player he could have been. He clearly never developed into what he could have been due to the AVM, off-court issue and ACL that sidelined him for over 2 critical early development years.

He was one of the most all around PG-Combos we ever recruited. He had the ability to pass, lead a team, shoot the 3, midrange and drive it to the hole. He played above the rim before the AVM, and never seemed to regain his explosiveness.

 

[Nychusky1]

Great thread:

1) Kemba - #1 Husky, period.
2) Shabazz
3) Smith
4) El-Amin
5) George
6) Brown - one of the most underrated UConn players of all-time
7) Boatright
8) Ollie
9) Price
10) Williams - one of the most disappointing UConn players of all-time

I'd love to put Boatright higher, I love him, but he never really shined as a PG and was better as an off-guard. Was Sheffer a true PG? How about Gordon, I believe he played more SG with Brown at PG.

Tate George had three frustrating years and really only one good college season as a senior. He followed that up doing nothing in the NBA which didnt surprise me a bit.

 

[DogMania]

That's so wrong. He was easily the best passer we've seen and turned out to be a better scorer than anyone thought he would be. While he wasn't a defensive specialist by any sense he was very smart and made plays on that end too. If he didn't screw up in class Taliek would've played less his senior year than he did. Just my opinion.

You make some great points there. People forget that during most of his time at UConn, he really never had a true 2-guard playing next to him. It made his defensive liabilities look even worse. It also made it much harder for him to score, not having a player beside him who could also create off the dribble. Imagine how much better he may have looked if he had a Shabazz or Boatright playing next to him...or maybe more appropriately put, AJ Price. I would have liked to see that backcourt tandem, but it wasn't meant to be.

 

[Gurleyman]

That's so wrong. He was easily the best passer we've seen and turned out to be a better scorer than anyone thought he would be. While he wasn't a defensive specialist by any sense he was very smart and made plays on that end too. If he didn't screw up in class Taliek would've played less his senior year than he did. Just my opinion.

No it's right. He f-ed up two Championship caliber teams that were preseason No. 1 with his own laziness and stupidity. That's just an indisputable fact. He's the only guy who has ever gotten himself academically ineligible after one semester as a freshman. That takes a special kind of lazy. Then he tried to sell stolen laptops from his fellow athletes - his peers. That takes a special kind of stupid.

This stuff Is more my opinion. He was a brilliant passer - fun to watch on offense sometimes. Definitely a talented guy that was capable of being a championship level player. But he was also lazy. He was more French poodle than bulldog and his teams only won anything without him. That's a small sample size and Dogbreath2U certainly has a fair point that I'm not entirely objective when it comes to him. He's not at fault for 2006 - he needed Price at the 2 (or someone like that). But I don't think his laziness and attitude was particularly great to have in a leadership role, and I think that permeated that team - they never buckled down since they always figured they'd pull it out late. And it bit them. The same guys did buckle down in Maui when they knew they had a smaller margin for error. But then again - Denham's shot went in at Maui and if those two shots are reversed, we lose Maui and go to the FF.

Or, you know what - give him Ricky at the 2 and you have yourself a winning backcourt. His flaws would be masked and you'd have the guy to supply the energy and leadership that MW didn't have.

 

[mauconnfan]

The " ups" with his stupidity makes sense now. Got it - agree.

 

[Horatio]

AJ Price (final four) and mentored Kemba
Kemba Walker ( final four and championship ) and mentored Shabazz
Shabazz Napier ( 2x champion) and mentored Boatright
Ryan Boatright ( championship ) is the end of the AJ Price bloodline. That explains everything. We just didn't have that second guy / continueation that
Has become our formula since AJ. The restrictions disrupted our system. It's that simple.

 

[UConnDad]

These always come down to best year/career and what criteria for point guard is stressed. Boat was a great player, but did not have the point guard skills that others had. Real PG skills could have helped this year's team more. I would put Bazz/Kemba, Kemba/Bazz 1-2 career = Bazz, year = Kemba), then AJ, KEA, MW, Boat, Sheffer, Taliek, Ollie, George. Smith, Dyson, and Gordon were not really point guards, especially Dyson and Gordon and should not be on these lists IMHO. MW gets downgraded buy many for non-basketball issues, but he was the best passer and one of the best floor generals we had. MW had more moments of pure point guard brilliance than anyone.

Best passer: MW, Bazz/AJ, Sheffer

Best Scorer: Kemba, Bazz, AJ, Boat

Best Leader: KEA, Kemba, Ollie, Bazz (final 2 years)

Best Defender: Moore, Boat (last year and 1/3), Brown, Ollie

Who could break down zone defenses? AJ and MW were really good at it, Bazz got close to them if not as good. My memory on this is not as good going back further in time since I did not focus on it as much and I'm not as young as I used to be. This area was always a weakness for Boat and remained so his final year.

Best at breaking down defenses with the dribble: Kemba, Bazz, Brown, Boat, KEA

Best handle: Kemba, KEA, Brown, Ollie

Best shooter: Bazz, Sheffer, Kemba (last year), AJ.

Other categories?

2 other categories
Unguardable even when double or triple teamed: Kemba
Who after 5 minutes the other team realized was the best player on the court: Kemba

 

[ConnHuskBask]

No it's right. He f-ed up two Championship caliber teams that were preseason No. 1 with his own laziness and stupidity. That's just an indisputable fact. He's the only guy who has ever gotten himself academically ineligible after one semester as a freshman. That takes a special kind of lazy. Then he tried to sell stolen laptops from his fellow athletes - his peers. That takes a special kind of stupid.

This stuff Is more my opinion. He was a brilliant passer - fun to watch on offense sometimes. Definitely a talented guy that was capable of being a championship level player. But he was also lazy. He was more French poodle than bulldog and his teams only won anything without him. That's a small sample size and Dogbreath2U certainly has a fair point that I'm not entirely objective when it comes to him. He's not at fault for 2006 - he needed Price at the 2 (or someone like that). But I don't think his laziness and attitude was particularly great to have in a leadership role, and I think that permeated that team - they never buckled down since they always figured they'd pull it out late. And it bit them. The same guys did buckle down in Maui when they knew they had a smaller margin for error. But then again - Denham's shot went in at Maui and if those two shots are reversed, we lose Maui and go to the FF.

Or, you know what - give him Ricky at the 2 and you have yourself a winning backcourt. His flaws would be masked and you'd have the guy to supply the energy and leadership that MW didn't have.

You need to separate Marcus the person from Marcus the player.

He stepped up in a big spot more than anyone else in 2005 and 2006.

Sure they lost to Mason with a great team and Marcus at the point but he was the last person to blame for that.

 

[mauconnfan]

You need to separate Marcus the person from Marcus the player.

He stepped up in a big spot more than anyone else in 2005 and 2006.

Sure they lost to Mason with a great team and Marcus at the point but he was the last person to blame for that.

Agree here too. He was the sole reason we still had hope vs George Mason he was really good.

 

[Gurleyman]

Agree here too. He was the sole reason we still had hope vs George Mason he was really good.

With a minute to go against George Mason, he had five points on 2-8 shooting. He made a couple shots in hero time.

 

[ctchamps]

You need to separate Marcus the person from Marcus the player.

He stepped up in a big spot more than anyone else in 2005 and 2006.

Sure they lost to Mason with a great team and Marcus at the point but he was the last person to blame for that.

This!!

Can't disagree with @Gurleyman about the potential being wasted because of off the court issues and lack of prep. But factoring in what he had to work with and how he ran the team @Dogbreath2U and @mauconnfan have valid points also.

MW is to Gurleyman the same way Taliek Brown was to mau and Jerome Dyson is to chief. Well the last analogy (with chief) is not correct because at least Gurley has rationality for his point of view. And mau has long since mellowed out over TB. But MW is Gurleyman's kryptonite. There were a few years I thought nyhuskyfan was never going to post again following all the crud surrounding MW and Nate and that really bothered me because I alway felt he was one of the most insightful posters.

I'm glad he's back.

 

[Gurleyman]

You need to separate Marcus the person from Marcus the player. He stepped up in a big spot more than anyone else in 2005 and 2006. Sure they lost to Mason with a great team and Marcus at the point but he was the last person to blame for that.

The two often go hand in hand. If I was a player on the 2006 team working hard in the offseason to try to win a national title, and a teammate I was counting on was off selling laptops - of fellow athletes who may very well be good friends of mine - and basically trying to get himself thrown out of school, I'd be pissed at him. If he gets on my case for not running a play properly, I'd consider punching him in the throat. You can't lead when you repeatedly let your teammates down. They don't trust you or respect you. Many of those guys had seen him let them down twice. I imagine he was plenty smart enough to do the schoolwork everyone else managed to do their freshman fall - he was just lazy.

This is where I admit my bias makes my opinion somewhat grain of salt material, but he was pretty bad against both Washington and George Mason until very late, when he did step up in hero time, but the 40 minutes of effort and attention to detail wasn't there from him at all. His seven turnovers against UW included things like lazy one-handed passes that led to leak outs.

To show some fairness, I've always given him the Kentucky game as his signature effort, winning the battle with Rondo and making all the plays late that we needed to hang on. We lose that one without him. But at the same time, I've always considered Albany the signature game of a MW-led team. Talented enough to win a game late, despite grading about a D for effort.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

The two often go hand in hand. If I was a player on the 2006 team working hard in the offseason to try to win a national title, and a teammate I was counting on was off selling laptops - of fellow athletes who may very well be good friends of mine - and basically trying to get himself thrown out of school, I'd be pissed at him. If he gets on my case for not running a play properly, I'd consider punching him in the throat. You can't lead when you repeatedly let your teammates down. They don't trust you or respect you. Many of those guys had seen him let them down twice. I imagine he was plenty smart enough to do the schoolwork everyone else managed to do their freshman fall - he was just lazy.

This is where I admit my bias makes my opinion somewhat grain of salt material, but he was pretty bad against both Washington and George Mason until very late, when he did step up in hero time, but the 40 minutes of effort and attention to detail wasn't there from him at all. His seven turnovers against UW included things like lazy one-handed passes that led to leak outs.

To show some fairness, I've always given him the Kentucky game as his signature effort, winning the battle with Rondo and making all the plays late that we needed to hang on. We lose that one without him. But at the same time, I've always considered Albany the signature game of a MW-led team. Talented enough to win a game late, despite grading about a D for effort.

No disrespect, but you go on to more or less bash the guy as a leader and big time player for UConn, then go on to list him winning the Kentucky game, stepping up in crunch time against Washington and making plays to force OT against Mason. Not to mention the Albany game they were looking like the first 1 to lose to a 16 until Marcus pulled it out.

So to recap, he was the best overall player on a #1 ranked team, was the best player overall in the NCAAT for that team and stepped up the most in crunch time for that team.

If Boone and Armstrong didn't get eaten alive by Mason we very well could've won the whole thing.

Wasted some potential due to bad decisions off the court with grades and laptops, sure. But he was hands down the best player on that 2006 team and the furthest reason from why they lost.

 

[Tenspro2002]

With MW, I think you do have to consider both the on-court and off-court elements.

When he was on the court, his play was outstanding. That's not a point of debate. That's a fact.

That said, his off-court leadership -- as evidenced by his being suspended for 2 semesters in 3 years for pure idiocy -- was abysmal.

I don't think it's a stretch to argue that his poor leadership-by-example is part of what led to his teams' indifferent play in big moments. MW could bring it himself when he needed to, but he couldn't get anyone else to buy in.

(Edit: That said, I think it would have been hard for even someone like Kemba to get pouty Josh Boone and tentative Rudy Gay to play to their full, aggressive potential.)

 

[sammydabiz]

Wow.... the Marcus Williams hate is high in the yard huh?
Whether you reasonably liked him or not, it does not negate the fact that he might be the best pure point guard to ever put on a UConn jersey. Facts are facts, and they can't be erased by laptops. His dishes and his command of the offense was legendary. On the court, few had the vision of MW

 

[HistoryMajor]

Not much love for Tate George. I still maintain he is one of the top ten. paraphrasing, JC said Tate's shot against West Virginia in 1988 when we won the NIT was more important (or maybe JC said as important) as Tate's shot against Clemson.

On a separate note,I used to have a love affair with point guards and would watch games just to see the point guards play. Some of my fav PG's in no particular order were Pearl Washington, Kahlid, Billy Donovan, Jay Burson and Marcus Wms.