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"Whatever they did, we knew what was coming."

boog204 said:
I was stuck on 95 and then 91 so was forced to listen to the game... What struck me is listening to Joe D call Wich st possessions compared to us. He could barely keep up with the ball movement. With us, it was him narrating whomever had the ball and the "tricky dribble" they were using to accomplish nothing. In the biggest possessions of the game it became an opportunity for our guys to take turns going one-on-one. Joe's commentary? "UConn has completely stopped moving offensively." This is on KO. The system is not conducive to the players he has. We've been saying for four Spartacus-ing years and not one alteration. You can play this way when you have two ridiculous guards (Bazz or Boat) and a 6-9 guy with skill (DD). You cannot play this way with nothing else. It's beyond embarrassing that opposing players are telling the media "we know what's coming." Pisses me off something fierce.
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Good point. Maybe that is why Walton runs a Geography class when he calls our games.
 
Matrim55 said:
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Those old Skinner BC teams were always taught the flex offense. The flex is boring as hell to watch but it basically guarantees that all five players are involved in the offense and that you are going to get a good shot late in the shot clock.

Cooley has taken that offense to PC and uses it occasionally when the offense stalls or they take bad shots. The best thing that it does is that eliminates the temptation of someone jacking up a bad shot early in the shot clock.
 
Stairmaster said:
You think Tulane will beat us by twice as much as Wichita?
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Obviously, I was being a bit hyperbolic but now that you ask, I do. Today, being on national tv, the kids atleast played hard almost to the end and kept a good offensive team below their average. Against Tulane, all bets are off. The rails can come off rather quickly and it's not like this team hasn't quit mid game before.
 
huskiesnyc said:
Dead last in the nation in assists but let’s give Ollie more time because he’s young and still learning
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That's not on Ollie. I know for a fact he coaches them to share the ball and pass the ball having been to couple practices over the past couple seasons. Also have had an informal conversation with KO at a barber shop where he was getting a cut. Basically said guys don't follow through on offensive sets and then try playing hero ball and that's not what he and the coaches teach them to do.

When you don't have consistent shooters or inside presence its difficult to run a fluid offense that uses the PnR a lot. The players coming in next year along with the current players being a year older should solve those issues
 
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methodology said:
That's not on Ollie. I know for a fact he coaches them to share the ball and pass the ball having been to couple practices over the past couple seasons. Also have had an informal conversation with KO at a barber shop where he was getting a cut. Basically said guys don't follow through on offensive sets and then try playing hero ball and that's not what he and the coaches teach them to do.
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lol
 
methodology said:
That's not on Ollie. I know for a fact he coaches them to share the ball and pass the ball having been to couple practices over the past couple seasons. Also have had an informal conversation with KO at a barber shop where he was getting a cut. Basically said guys don't follow through on offensive sets and then try playing hero ball and that's not what he and the coaches teach them to do.

When you don't have consistent shooters or inside presence its difficult to run a fluid offense that uses the PnR a lot. The players coming in next year along with the current players being a year older should solve those issues
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Yikes. Getting your team to do what you want them to do is the whole point of coaching.
 
methodology said:
That's not on Ollie. I know for a fact he coaches them to share the ball and pass the ball having been to couple practices over the past couple seasons. Also have had an informal conversation with KO at a barber shop where he was getting a cut. Basically said guys don't follow through on offensive sets and then try playing hero ball and that's not what he and the coaches teach them to do.

When you don't have consistent shooters or inside presence its difficult to run a fluid offense that uses the PnR a lot. The players coming in next year along with the current players being a year older should solve those issues
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Lol. This is precious. Can you imagine Calhoun whining that the guys don’t do what he told the to do? P
Maybe it happens once but by the time the finished practice at 3am they’ll likely listen next time.

Just to be sure it was a barber shop and not the car wash right?
 
They knew that:

1. No assists were coming
2. No three point makes were coming
3. No sets were coming

Ollie should change his tagline

"Offensive prowess is for cowards"
 
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methodology said:
That's not on Ollie. I know for a fact he coaches them to share the ball and pass the ball having been to couple practices over the past couple seasons. Also have had an informal conversation with KO at a barber shop where he was getting a cut. Basically said guys don't follow through on offensive sets and then try playing hero ball and that's not what he and the coaches teach them to do.

When you don't have consistent shooters or inside presence its difficult to run a fluid offense that uses the PnR a lot. The players coming in next year along with the current players being a year older should solve those issues
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If True, they wouldn’t do that (every game) if they respected their coach.
 
auggie22 said:
No kidding - if this is true it is the most stinging endictment of all. If true, he should find another profession.
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"Well, we teach them what to do, then they don't do it" is a hell of a DEFENSE for him to trot.
 
boog204 said:
I was stuck on 95 and then 91 so was forced to listen to the game... What struck me is listening to Joe D call Wich st possessions compared to us. He could barely keep up with the ball movement. With us, it was him narrating whomever had the ball and the "tricky dribble" they were using to accomplish nothing. In the biggest possessions of the game it became an opportunity for our guys to take turns going one-on-one. Joe's commentary? "UConn has completely stopped moving offensively." This is on KO. The system is not conducive to the players he has. We've been saying for four Spartacus-ing years and not one alteration. You can play this way when you have two ridiculous guards (Bazz or Boat) and a 6-9 guy with skill (DD). You cannot play this way with nothing else. It's beyond embarrassing that opposing players are telling the media "we know what's coming." Pisses me off something fierce.
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"Activity without accomplishment." - John Wooden
 
intlzncster said:
Yikes. Getting your team to do what you want them to do is the whole point of coaching.
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I would go further: getting your team to do what you want is the literal definition of coaching.

I've said it in numerous threads this season: nobody respects KO. His players ignore him or bail. Opposing players and coaches treat him like a joke ("easiest scout in the country", "we knew what was coming"). And the refs don't fear him and know an uneven whistle will be tolerated.
 
Palatine said:
Since UConn can't shoot. It really doesn't matter.
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I don’t see it as that simplistic.

If UConn ran a motion offense to get players open, like every opponent seems to do, the UConn players would be shooting a higher %.

Put Wichita State’s players in UConn’s offense and they aren’t shooting 40+% from 3.

And put UConns players in an offense where they get open looks at threes.. they aren’t shooting 18%
 
methodology said:
That's not on Ollie. I know for a fact he coaches them to share the ball and pass the ball having been to couple practices over the past couple seasons. Also have had an informal conversation with KO at a barber shop where he was getting a cut. Basically said guys don't follow through on offensive sets and then try playing hero ball and that's not what he and the coaches teach them to do.

When you don't have consistent shooters or inside presence its difficult to run a fluid offense that uses the PnR a lot. The players coming in next year along with the current players being a year older should solve those issues
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Not the first time I've read about Ollie's players not doing what he tells/teaches them. It's a clear indication the players don't respect or trust him. He's lost them already. He needs to go. ASAP.
 
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methodology said:
That's not on Ollie. I know for a fact he coaches them to share the ball and pass the ball having been to couple practices over the past couple seasons. Also have had an informal conversation with KO at a barber shop where he was getting a cut. Basically said guys don't follow through on offensive sets and then try playing hero ball and that's not what he and the coaches teach them to do.

When you don't have consistent shooters or inside presence its difficult to run a fluid offense that uses the PnR a lot. The players coming in next year along with the current players being a year older should solve those issues
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um, ok.
 
uconnever said:
I was thinking the same thing. It sure didn't look like anyone on Wichita state had any idea at all what was coming. If not for some good 3 point shooting.....who knows. We lost to the better team, anyone complaining about coaching is just unhappy with the way things are in general. This game, no complaints. We lost to a good team.
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That’s why they double teamed everyone driving to the basket. Knew they would probably not pass.
 
boog204 said:
I was stuck on 95 and then 91 so was forced to listen to the game... What struck me is listening to Joe D call Wich st possessions compared to us. He could barely keep up with the ball movement. With us, it was him narrating whomever had the ball and the "tricky dribble" they were using to accomplish nothing. In the biggest possessions of the game it became an opportunity for our guys to take turns going one-on-one. Joe's commentary? "UConn has completely stopped moving offensively." This is on KO. The system is not conducive to the players he has. We've been saying for four Spartacus-ing years and not one alteration. You can play this way when you have two ridiculous guards (Bazz or Boat) and a 6-9 guy with skill (DD). You cannot play this way with nothing else. It's beyond embarrassing that opposing players are telling the media "we know what's coming." Pisses me off something fierce.
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Exactly what I’ve been crying for. Run something that utilizes our strengths, not a system that maximizes our weaknesses. It’s as if KO stopped trying to come up with anything creative after he got the long deal and the big $.
 
methodology said:
That's not on Ollie. I know for a fact he coaches them to share the ball and pass the ball having been to couple practices over the past couple seasons. Also have had an informal conversation with KO at a barber shop where he was getting a cut. Basically said guys don't follow through on offensive sets and then try playing hero ball and that's not what he and the coaches teach them to do.

When you don't have consistent shooters or inside presence its difficult to run a fluid offense that uses the PnR a lot. The players coming in next year along with the current players being a year older should solve those issues
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There is no way any team who is last in the nation in assists is well coached. KO is now 2-16 against ranked teams over the past 3 1/2 seasons. People keep blaming the players, but there is far more to it than that.
 
Stairmaster said:
You think Tulane will beat us by twice as much as Wichita?
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It seems to be the trend... How many of ya'll were predicting a win at Auburn after a "decent" showing at Zona, only to get run out the house. The loss of short term memory on this site is shocking to say the least.

If they do, I wouldn't be surprised at all

 
Palatine said:
Since UConn can't shoot. It really doesn't matter.
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This is it, isn't it? Even when we put together aggressive defense, some rebounding, Larrier hitting a good percentage and running a few decent sets. When it comes time to drain some perimeter shots we can't get nearly enough production to fend off a run if we're ahead, or stem the tide when an opponent starts to get hot. Our lack of outside shooting negates the good things we do and puts us in a box where the effort has to be nonstop and the other parts of our game have almost no margin for error. Poor decisions and lack of effort are fixable, but even Calhoun couldn't put the ball in the hoop for his guys. I'm already in the boat of fans unimpressed with KO's development but we need a couple of shooters to complement some decent young players for next year. I think we recruited 1 guy but we need another and a PG to run the show. We lost 2 instant contributors in the last recruiting process. We need to do better this time around with Alterique still a questionmark.
 
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tentoes4rings said:
Exactly what I’ve been crying for. Run something that utilizes our strengths, not a system that maximizes our weaknesses. It’s as if KO stopped trying to come up with anything creative after he got the long deal and the big $.
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Exactly. Coach the players you have. Don't try to make the players you have fit your system (whatever that is.....) if they don't. He's been here long enough. If they don't fit his system, that says all that needs to be said about his talent evaluation skills.
 
methodology said:
That's not on Ollie. I know for a fact he coaches them to share the ball and pass the ball having been to couple practices over the past couple seasons. Also have had an informal conversation with KO at a barber shop where he was getting a cut. Basically said guys don't follow through on offensive sets and then try playing hero ball and that's not what he and the coaches teach them to do.

When you don't have consistent shooters or inside presence its difficult to run a fluid offense that uses the PnR a lot. The players coming in next year along with the current players being a year older should solve those issues
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Chill and Blaze may have come a year too late?
 
methodology said:
That's not on Ollie. I know for a fact he coaches them to share the ball and pass the ball having been to couple practices over the past couple seasons. Also have had an informal conversation with KO at a barber shop where he was getting a cut. Basically said guys don't follow through on offensive sets and then try playing hero ball and that's not what he and the coaches teach them to do.

When you don't have consistent shooters or inside presence its difficult to run a fluid offense that uses the PnR a lot. The players coming in next year along with the current players being a year older should solve those issues
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Holy mother of god, are you stoned?

First of all, Ollie picked these players so if they suck or refuse to be coached, that is on him. It is on him!!!

Second, these are supposed to be the guys that "want to be here". This is Ollie's "reset". He is all but admitting he screwed that up and replaced guys who didn't want to be here with worse guys that don't want to be here.

Lastly, it is his job to reach these kids. Geno calls it "finding their buttons". But I guess it is a "different game". Leadership is, apparently, no longer required in the bigger, faster, stronger version of basketball.
 
Here's the deal, Goodman is a blowhard, he has not idea what offense is he's a , pitiful by all standard.
 
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