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What Muffet McGraw Did... or Didn't Do

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PhillyCoach said:
HGN - I am right with you. Cause if she doesn't do much, then nothing much can happen. I was glad when she didn't foul because there is always a chance (a long shot many times) that a team can come back.
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Agreed.
 
PhillyCoach said:
HGN - I am right with you. Cause if she doesn't do much, then nothing much can happen. I was glad when she didn't foul because there is always a chance (a long shot many times) that a team can come back.
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Except of course for all the many times when even bigger comebacks were made without fouling. But if you two keep saying it, maybe you'll find someone to dance to it. Still think that a game like 52-card pickup may be the best place for you to shine.
 
meyers7 said:
You obviously have no clue about Geno.
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NC or BE Championship? Hmmm, let me think. I think Geno would rather lose a conference championship or tournament, in order to prepare our girls for a NC. Who remembers conference champions? Greatness here is measured by NC.
 
DobbsRover2 said:
Just clueless. When you do learn something about basketball and the women's game, you'll understand that no UConn and ND game should be anything but a blood battle till the end by whatever means the coach thinks is the best way to win. Tell the BY before this season's ND game how you don't mind if Geno "quits on a losing game" if things go bad while you continue your rant about any other coach being a quitter unless they do some dumb fouling against good shooting teams at the end of games. See how that goes over here with fans who are a little more clued in than you.

In the meantime, you are being called back to the Mississippi Valley board, where your insights for the WCBB-worst Delta Devilettes are considered just gosh darn smart.
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I'll take a blowout any day. Geno makes other coaches quit. Especially when he beats them in FF's and NC's. Muffett, has been in what? Four of the last five NC games. Losing all of them, including the last two, to Geno. Damn right, she quit.
Geno, on the other hand, winner of 10 NC's, may have conceded a game. Knowing full well that a NC was in the near future. Muffet gets no sympathy from me.

People are entitled to their opinions. No need to insult them for that. Stop defending Muffet.
 
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Phillyconn said:
NC or BE Championship? Hmmm, let me think. I think Geno would rather lose a conference championship or tournament, in order to prepare our girls for a NC. Who remembers conference champions? Greatness here is measured by NC.
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ummmmmmmmm I think you do (your words below)
Because, I remember the look on her face when ND beat us in the BE finals. I remember Skylar's antics, at the end of the game, basically saying, screw UConn. So, to the victors, goes the spoils, and the Muffett bashing.
 
DaddyChoc said:
ummmmmmmmm I think you do (your words below)
Because, I remember the look on her face when ND beat us in the BE finals. I remember Skylar's antics, at the end of the game, basically saying, screw UConn. So, to the victors, goes the spoils, and the Muffett bashing.
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It could have been a regular season game, don't really care. It's the look and the antics that got to me. We took the big prize, and the look on the face of Skylar was priceless. Mo shut her down. She had the nerve to think they would beat us again.
 
DaddyChoc said:
exactly, they really believe Geno doesn't mind losing the conference Championship... yeah ok!
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Did not Geno say that anything less than a NC, is considered a failed season or that recruits come here to win NC's. Didn't hear anything in there about Conference titles.
 
This is so funny! Some people think, once the game started that, "oh, it is only for the BE championship, it is OK if we lose" and that is what Geno thinks. Geno has incentives in his contract in terms of hundreds of thousand dollars on the team's season accomplishment. Yes, the NC is top, then Conference championship, then final four, etc...

Geno is happy when the practice gets rough because team white and team blue refuse to lose. And you are telling me he doesn't care for a conference championship?
Just because he won so many, more than the NC doesn't meant that he doesn't want to win.


Horse is dead a long time ago, let it go...
 
Phillyconn said:
NC or BE Championship? Hmmm, let me think. I think Geno would rather lose a conference championship or tournament, in order to prepare our girls for a NC. Who remembers conference champions? Greatness here is measured by NC.
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Don't move the goalposts.
 
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Goodgood said:
This is so funny! Some people think, once the game started that, "oh, it is only for the BE championship, it is OK if we lose" and that is what Geno thinks. Geno has incentives in his contract in terms of hundreds of thousand dollars on the team's season accomplishment. Yes, the NC is top, then Conference championship, then final four, etc...

Geno is happy when the practice gets rough because team white and team blue refuse to lose. And you are telling me he doesn't care for a conference championship?
Just because he won so many, more than the NC doesn't meant that he doesn't want to win.


Horse is dead a long time ago, let it go...
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I'm not saying that Geno doesn't want to win. What I am saying, is that you can lose a conference championship and still salvage the season by winning the NC. There are no more games after the NC. You win a NC, who cares if you lost the conference tourney? If you want to compare strategies, factor in what's at stake. Again, the LAST game of the season, you do not "quit". Why? Because it's the LAST game.
Greatness, is measured in NC. Not by conference titles. Yes, a loss hurts, but I'll gladly except a loss if we win the final game. I'm sure Geno feels the same way.
 
Phillyconn said:
I'm not saying that Geno doesn't want to win. What I am saying, is that you can lose a conference championship and still salvage the season by winning the NC. There are no more games after the NC. You win a NC, who cares if you lost the conference tourney? If you want to compare strategies, factor in what's at stake. Again, the LAST game of the season, you do not "quit". Why? Because it's the LAST game.
Greatness, is measured in NC. Not by conference titles. Yes, a loss hurts, but I'll gladly except a loss if we win the final game. I'm sure Geno feels the same way.
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I must disagree. Geno has said numerous times, "If there's a championship, I want to win it". I believe the most memorable time was after one of those early tournaments, the Wahini Classic or something like that. He's also stated that there's no such thing as a good loss and that he hates to lose, hates it.
 
HuskyNan said:
I must disagree. Geno has said numerous times, "If there's a championship, I want to win it". I believe the most memorable time was after one of those early tournaments, the Wahini Classic or something like that. He's also stated that there's no such thing as a good loss and that he hates to lose, hates it.
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Ok, Nan. Just understand that I hate to lose, period. Sports have hurt me more than any woman ever could. But you have to admit, the loss to ND in the BE finals helped us to defeat them in the FF. Kelly said that after the loss, Geno said, ok, now I'm going to help or teach(something along those lines) you to win the NC. The Stanford loss, while hurtful, made the girls want to work harder, leading to a NC.
Nobody wants to lose, losing hurts, but can be used to as a teaching tool and as fuel for a fire. You have posters here that want to say that Geno quit like Muffett. I say, you can't compare them because of what was at stake. I know that I am biased, that's why I'm on this board. What are your thoughts?
 
One last kick to make sure horse doesn't move anymore. Nobody likes to lose, period. Of course the lost to ND helped. Geno knew his team cannot play the same way and win. Time for plan B. He did not lose so he can learn. He learned because he lost. What is the use of fouling when your most clutch players can't make layups and your best shooters can't hit the side of a barn? it is like bleeding slowly and painfully to death. It is reality.
 
Big East Championship ND down 12 with 1:30 left... Muffett doesn't foul! Game Doty goes down with head injury in last 30 seconds. Muffett is smart. Maya and Tina
 
ND fouled, Tiff shoots and Maya gets the rebound lol, the odds are slim. now the fouled Tina with 27 seconds left down 15, tina miss both... but Maya gets another rebound lol
 
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Goodgood said:
One last kick to make sure horse doesn't move anymore. Nobody likes to lose, period. Of course the lost to ND helped. Geno knew his team cannot play the same way and win. Time for plan B. He did not lose so he can learn. He learned because he lost. What is the use of fouling when your most clutch players can't make layups and your best shooters can't hit the side of a barn? it is like bleeding slowly and painfully to death. It is reality.
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Nobody said "lose to learn". How about conceding the game in the last few minutes, knowing that if it's the conference championship, you have more games left to play. Fouling stops the CLOCK! "Clutch" players can get HOT. Or you can "quit" or concede the game. But not the last game of the season.
 
Man, I'd hate to play chess against you. You'd be playing out hopeless chess game. you have a king and some unpromotable pawns and your opponent has king, queen, knight and bishop and you'd still be running around fouling to extend the game, so maybe you can win. Love your spirit but not your game manners.
 
Goodgood said:
Man, I'd hate to play chess against you. You'd be playing out hopeless chess game. you have a king and some unpromotable pawns and your opponent has king, queen, knight and bishop and you'd still be running around fouling to extend the game, so maybe you can win. Love your spirit but not your game manners.
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If an opponent has queen, knight and bishop, it's game over. Should be able to checkmate me in just a few moves. No fouls in chess. :-)
 
Phillyconn said:
If an opponent has queen, knight and bishop, it's game over. Should be able to checkmate me in just a few moves. No fouls in chess. :)
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Ah, happy to see that you QUIT! you give up! pretty easy even for one who hates to give up until the game is over. Yes, last chess tournament of the year. You lose, you go home. Not Big East chess championship.
 
Phillyconn said:
Not compared to a NC.
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"When you lose this game, there's nothing worse. There's nothing worse because this is the game that gets you to the place where all good things can happen. This is the hardest hurdle to get over, because you need 12 more months then to get back here and you didn't put yourself in a position to win the national championship."

Geno Doesn't want to lose any game, but he's not talking about a conference championship here. At UConn, two games count. The last two.

Are we spoiled? Hell, yea!
 
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Goodgood said:
Ah, happy to see that you QUIT! you give up! pretty easy even for one who hates to give up until the game is over. Yes, last chess tournament of the year. You lose, you go home. Not Big East chess championship.
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Didn't say I would quit. Didn't somebody say earlier "don't ever give up""
Unless, of course, your playing UConn.
 
lne001 said:
I agree, which leads me to 2003 and the Big East championship game against Villanova.

After winning 55 straight games, Uconn dropped that contest.
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70. :)
 
Goodgood said:
One last kick to make sure horse doesn't move anymore. Nobody likes to lose, period. Of course the lost to ND helped. Geno knew his team cannot play the same way and win. Time for plan B. He did not lose so he can learn. He learned because he lost. What is the use of fouling when your most clutch players can't make layups and your best shooters can't hit the side of a barn? it is like bleeding slowly and painfully to death. It is reality.
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I don't think it's gonna die. It just keeps twitching, unable to learn.
 
You know how when Google Maps shows you different options to a place and takes traffic into account? Each way is viable but sometimes one way is better because of traffic or construction on another route. Reasonable people will look at the assessment and say, "Yes, I see why Google Maps is routing us this way. The construction on the bridge is awful and traffic is down to one lane. Let's go the other way. It will get us where we want to go more quickly."

That's what we're talking about. Fouling is one way to come back. IT IS NOT THE ONLY WAY. It is one way.

Not admitting that there are other ways to come back than just fouling is not reasonable in the face of evidence to the contrary.
 
Wally East said:
You know how when Google Maps shows you different options to a place and takes traffic into account? Each way is viable but sometimes one way is better because of traffic or construction on another route. Reasonable people will look at the assessment and say, "Yes, I see why Google Maps is routing us this way. The construction on the bridge is awful and traffic is down to one lane. Let's go the other way. It will get us where we want to go more quickly."

That's what we're talking about. Fouling is one way to come back. IT IS NOT THE ONLY WAY. It is one way.

Not admitting that there are other ways to come back than just fouling is not reasonable in the face of evidence to the contrary.
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It's the only way that stops the clock. Even if teams hit free throws, you can hit threes to try to make up some ground. Yes, the odds are very slim. But, it stops the clock, it gives you a chance to comeback. If, you have a team with shaky guard play, maybe you trap, not with Mo, Kia, Morgan and Breanna. I was so relieved when ND chose not to foul.
 
Wally East said:
You know how when Google Maps shows you different options to a place and takes traffic into account? Each way is viable but sometimes one way is better because of traffic or construction on another route. Reasonable people will look at the assessment and say, "Yes, I see why Google Maps is routing us this way. The construction on the bridge is awful and traffic is down to one lane. Let's go the other way. It will get us where we want to go more quickly."

That's what we're talking about. Fouling is one way to come back. IT IS NOT THE ONLY WAY. It is one way.

Not admitting that there are other ways to come back than just fouling is not reasonable in the face of evidence to the contrary.
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Good point Wally - good analogy! For my benefit I would sum up the three main methods of come backs; high pressure defense, fouling, and shooting all three pointers. Since 3 pts shots are done throughout the game anyway that is not a real "change a losing game." The 4th option with the NC game and Muffitt was "no major change, don't really do anything different, let the game play out." That's part one of the dilemma. I think 99% can agree on part one. (the one % can always come up with something else.) Part two is the key issue and a major conundrum. WHY DID MUFFITT decide on her choice of game strategy (or lack of) for the last few minutes of the NC game??
Some popular choices are: A. She was satisfied with the season and was OK with a quick ending of said season; B. She didn't want to use a strategy that could lead to a 20 pt. loss instead of a single digit or 10 pt. loss; C. she wasn't happy about it, but UConn was a better team-she knew it and she accepted it; D. or the volatile & loathsome --SHE GAVE UP--SHE QUIT!!
It is just someone's opinion when they select A-B-C- or D. We don't know & only Muffitt knows for sure. So with that in mind I take A. Why? Because I go by what Muffitt said during and after the NC game. She said, " No one expected us to be here this year. We had a young team." Notre Dame had a very good year in Muffitt's eyes and claimed the good old "Moral Victory." She was satisfied by the season, not happy with the game results; and OK with the quick ending.
 
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