What is your take on Hurley and the Refs?

[Scoe]

People on this board are just running and running on their anti Hurley narrative rather than just calling into question what actually happened.

Let's say you go to a restaurant you sit down let's say your waiter goes up to your table and tells you "can you shut your kid up" now don't get mad be professional.

The waiter does have a lot more power in that situation then you do, you could go up to a supervisor and say something it turns into a she said he said situation there's no proof. If you get a new waiter/waitress or just walk out the mood is already ruined along with your family's mood no matter how the night ends.

 

[TheHorde]

People on this board are just running and running on their anti Hurley narrative rather than just calling into question what actually happened.

Let's say you go to a restaurant you sit down let's say your waiter goes up to your table and tells you "can you shut your kid up" now don't get mad be professional.

The waiter does have a lot more power in that situation then you do, you could go up to a supervisor and say something it turns into a she said he said situation there's no proof. If you get a new waiter/waitress or just walk out the mood is already ruined along with your family's mood no matter how the night ends.

Hurley to my recollection had no major blowups with the officials the past couple of years. Is that accurate? If so, wouldn’t it be disingenuous to posit “well he had this coming” or “the reputation is already there, so it’s not surprising”? How long does he have to be on better behavior to get a pass in their eyes? I’ve never seen a trainer get a T in watching over 40 years of basketball. The behavior we saw out of Hurley for the rest of that Memphis game stemmed from that call, IMO.

 

[Hurleyman216]

The NCAA is run by the P5 and they aren’t happy about UConn winning every year. They want to split off and create their own basketball tournament, but UConn is literally the one program keeping them from doing it. There is a HUGE amount of $$ on the line for these P5 schools. I honestly wouldn’t be shocked if 5 years from now some of the truth behind this lopsided officiating comes out. Sorry, but where there is this much smoke there is most definitely fire. We’re getting technicals called on our medical trainer who from all who know him knows he is a soft spoken guy who does not get involved in officiating during the games. I agree that set Hurley off and it cost us the first 2 games. I honestly don’t care, it hurts our seeding come March but give us a 7 or 8 seed and we will run through everyone again, I don’t really care.

Yes, our perimeter defense needs to improve, but you cannot tell me you think the Memphis and Colorado games were called even close to neutral. Those were so lopsided it’s a joke. By the time the Dayton game came around we literally couldn’t defend anyone because if we did our whole team would foul out just like in the previous 2 games. The NCAA needs to do something about the officiating, maybe come up with a grading system for each game. Even better would be tracking grades of the refs vs. which teams they are officiating. Essentially just put some data behind this and shine a light on the issue. I think we’re probably only 1-2 years from having an AI agent that is able to review game video and determine made and missed calls and assign unbiased grades to officials. WHEN that happens it will be extremely easy to go back and feed the AI games from previous years to see how poorly or fairly they were officiated.

 

[superjohn]

The NCAA is run by the P5 and they aren’t happy about UConn winning every year. They want to split off and create their own basketball tournament, but UConn is literally the one program keeping them from doing it. There is a HUGE amount of $$ on the line for these P5 schools. I honestly wouldn’t be shocked if 5 years from now some of the truth behind this lopsided officiating comes out. Sorry, but where there is this much smoke there is most definitely fire. We’re getting technicals called on our medical trainer who from all who know him knows he is a soft spoken guy who does not get involved in officiating during the games. I agree that set Hurley off and it cost us the first 2 games. I honestly don’t care, it hurts our seeding come March but give us a 7 or 8 seed and we will run through everyone again, I don’t really care.

Yes, our perimeter defense needs to improve, but you cannot tell me you think the Memphis and Colorado games were called even close to neutral. Those were so lopsided it’s a joke. By the time the Dayton game came around we literally couldn’t defend anyone because if we did our whole team would foul out just like in the previous 2 games. The NCAA needs to do something about the officiating, maybe come up with a grading system for each game. Even better would be tracking grades of the refs vs. which teams they are officiating. Essentially just put some data behind this and shine a light on the issue. I think we’re probably only 1-2 years from having an AI agent that is able to review game video and determine made and missed calls and assign unbiased grades to officials. WHEN that happens it will be extremely easy to go back and feed the AI games from previous years to see how poorly or fairly they were officiated.

Just when I thought I had heard it all, lolz.

 

[TheHorde]

The NCAA is run by the P5 and they aren’t happy about UConn winning every year. They want to split off and create their own basketball tournament, but UConn is literally the one program keeping them from doing it. There is a HUGE amount of $$ on the line for these P5 schools. I honestly wouldn’t be shocked if 5 years from now some of the truth behind this lopsided officiating comes out. Sorry, but where there is this much smoke there is most definitely fire. We’re getting technicals called on our medical trainer who from all who know him knows he is a soft spoken guy who does not get involved in officiating during the games. I agree that set Hurley off and it cost us the first 2 games. I honestly don’t care, it hurts our seeding come March but give us a 7 or 8 seed and we will run through everyone again, I don’t really care.

Yes, our perimeter defense needs to improve, but you cannot tell me you think the Memphis and Colorado games were called even close to neutral. Those were so lopsided it’s a joke. By the time the Dayton game came around we literally couldn’t defend anyone because if we did our whole team would foul out just like in the previous 2 games. The NCAA needs to do something about the officiating, maybe come up with a grading system for each game. Even better would be tracking grades of the refs vs. which teams they are officiating. Essentially just put some data behind this and shine a light on the issue. I think we’re probably only 1-2 years from having an AI agent that is able to review game video and determine made and missed calls and assign unbiased grades to officials. WHEN that happens it will be extremely easy to go back and feed the AI games from previous years to see how poorly or fairly they were officiated.

The Colorado game wasn’t as egregious as the Memphis game, but the non call on the offensive rebound Colorado got where the guy went over Liam’s back stands out. You could well be onto something. You have to wonder if the whole power conference thing might be setting up for a giant lawsuit down the line for non competitive practices. Maybe a school like UConn would end up bringing it.

 

[Hurleyman216]

The Colorado game wasn’t as egregious as the Memphis game, but the non call on the offensive rebound Colorado got where the guy went over Liam’s back stands out. You could well be onto something. You have to wonder if the whole power conference thing might be setting up for a giant lawsuit down the line for non competitive practices. Maybe a school like UConn would end up bringing it.

Colorado took 15 more free throws than UConn and UConn had 50% more fouls called on them than Colorado…it was just as egregious as the Memphis game and yes, I watched them both. That’s not even including the obvious missed over the back non-call that literally decided the outcome of the game. Even with that incredibly lopsided officiating we were still up 1 and should have been up 1 shooting free throws with 10 seconds left.

 

[Hunt for 7]

People on this board are just running and running on their anti Hurley narrative rather than just calling into question what actually happened.

Let's say you go to a restaurant you sit down let's say your waiter goes up to your table and tells you "can you shut your kid up" now don't get mad be professional.

The waiter does have a lot more power in that situation then you do, you could go up to a supervisor and say something it turns into a she said he said situation there's no proof. If you get a new waiter/waitress or just walk out the mood is already ruined along with your family's mood no matter how the night ends.

Respectfully, he is getting paid millions every year to do a job. Your analogy has probably happened to all of us and if you have spent any time in Memphis it is a surprise when your wait staff is actually helpful.

I agree that the officiating was absolutely one sided in Maui. I can even live with the fact that there is P5 money behind it. Shoot the nba was fixed to make sure Jordan would win.

The NFL if anyone still thinks that officiating is above board….then I have a bridge to sell.

All of that is noise. I don’t care what the refs were doing in that game. If he controls himself there is a good chance we win that game and we are not even talking about this.

Remember when we were all complaining about the officiating in the BE in 22-23. Even last year. So the bad whistles are going to start again once conference play starts.

The only good thing that could come out of Maui is Hurley learning a lesson and he does not get another T that directly impacts the game in a bad way for his team.

For goodness sake, myself included are getting on the kids and the adult in the room is acting like a toddler.

I would not trade Hurley for any other coach but it is not acceptable to give him a pass.

Does any one remember when he played for Seton Hall. I do and he was a bit of a cry baby then. I get all the pressure with the family success, but he was a bit of a basketball snob/brat as a player.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

The NCAA is run by the P5 and they aren’t happy about UConn winning every year. They want to split off and create their own basketball tournament, but UConn is literally the one program keeping them from doing it. There is a HUGE amount of $$ on the line for these P5 schools. I honestly wouldn’t be shocked if 5 years from now some of the truth behind this lopsided officiating comes out. Sorry, but where there is this much smoke there is most definitely fire. We’re getting technicals called on our medical trainer who from all who know him knows he is a soft spoken guy who does not get involved in officiating during the games. I agree that set Hurley off and it cost us the first 2 games. I honestly don’t care, it hurts our seeding come March but give us a 7 or 8 seed and we will run through everyone again, I don’t really care.

Yes, our perimeter defense needs to improve, but you cannot tell me you think the Memphis and Colorado games were called even close to neutral. Those were so lopsided it’s a joke. By the time the Dayton game came around we literally couldn’t defend anyone because if we did our whole team would foul out just like in the previous 2 games. The NCAA needs to do something about the officiating, maybe come up with a grading system for each game. Even better would be tracking grades of the refs vs. which teams they are officiating. Essentially just put some data behind this and shine a light on the issue. I think we’re probably only 1-2 years from having an AI agent that is able to review game video and determine made and missed calls and assign unbiased grades to officials. WHEN that happens it will be extremely easy to go back and feed the AI games from previous years to see how poorly or fairly they were officiated.

Maybe time to lock the thread, we've crossed over into crazytown.

 

[Scoe]

Respectfully, he is getting paid millions every year to do a job. Your analogy has probably happened to all of us and if you have spent any time in Memphis it is a surprise when your wait staff is actually helpful.

I agree that the officiating was absolutely one sided in Maui. I can even live with the fact that there is P5 money behind it. Shoot the nba was fixed to make sure Jordan would win.

The NFL if anyone still thinks that officiating is above board….then I have a bridge to sell.

All of that is noise. I don’t care what the refs were doing in that game. If he controls himself there is a good chance we win that game and we are not even talking about this.

Remember when we were all complaining about the officiating in the BE in 22-23. Even last year. So the bad whistles are going to start again once conference play starts.

The only good thing that could come out of Maui is Hurley learning a lesson and he does not get another T that directly impacts the game in a bad way for his team.

For goodness sake, myself included are getting on the kids and the adult in the room is acting like a toddler.

I would not trade Hurley for any other coach but it is not acceptable to give him a pass.

Does any one remember when he played for Seton Hall. I do and he was a bit of a cry baby then. I get all the pressure with the family success, but he was a bit of a basketball snob/brat as a player.

I'm not gonna get into a ref conspiracy here I didn't even go there btw and I'm not giving Hurley a pass. Yes Hurley does have to compose himself better and yes our defense has sucked. There are good Hurley traits and bad ones just as every family has them.

Don't you think it's just a little unprofessional what the ref said telling Hurley to shut that guy up referring to the trainer. Let's say a construction worker on your house or your waiter said shut your kid up, wouldn't that feel very uncomfortable the rest of the day.

 

[Scoe]

Maybe time to lock the thread, we've crossed over into crazytown.

He went into crazy town ^ not me.

 

[Hunt for 7]

Just when I thought I had heard it all, lolz.

369 Boneyarders have voted. 66.7% thinks Hurley looked foolish. Who cares about the reasons. He lost us a game with his behavior. There is nothing that happened that gave him a free pass to go crazy at that point.

And his behavior since it happened is to take no accountability.

Blame it on the plane ride and the MTE format. Before this four championships each year was the goal.
1) Win the MTE you play in.
2) Win the BE regular season.
3) Win the BE tourney
4) Win the national championship.

And now it’s the format of the MTE and how they don’t work. Even before Maui we knew MTE were on the way out because of ROI and that home and home series would become the prevailing way to play quality opponents.

So all he is saying is what was already known. And he is now using it as an excuse.

No matter how much we love Dan Hurley……it makes no difference he made a huge mistake and is not holding himself accountable. You even said it was a bad look.

I am an old man with young kids and when my 10 year old does something stupid the only way I know to teach is to show them how to be accountable for their actions.

My older son 15 actually broke a piece of furniture during the Memphis loss and even though I understood why he was still held accountable. Made him cut the grass of our two acre lot, even though it did not need it since I had done it three days earlier.

I think this post definitely requires another one of your laughs. FWIW for me getting a laugh response from @superjohn is like getting a hickey from Kanicky….Grease

 

[TheHorde]

I'm not gonna get into a ref conspiracy here I didn't even go there btw and I'm not giving Hurley a pass. Yes Hurley does have to compose himself better and yes our defense has sucked. There are good Hurley traits and bad ones just as every family has them.

Don't you think it's just a little unprofessional what the ref said telling Hurley to shut that guy up referring to the trainer. Let's say a construction worker on your house or your waiter said shut your kid up, wouldn't that feel very uncomfortable the rest of the day.

Imagine being that ref in that sour of a mood to call a T in that spot when you’re a) getting paid well to officiate a high level college basketball game, and b) doing so with an all expenses paid trip to Maui to do so. rEfErReEs ArE pEoPlE tOo AnD hAvE eGoS. I’m sure people are lined up around the block to do that job and have thicker skin too.

 

[Scoe]

369 Boneyarders have voted. 66.7% thinks Hurley looked foolish. Who cares about the reasons. I love getting those laughs from you.

Is it possible that Hurley looked foolish and the ref was unprofessional, 2 things can be true.

 

[TheHorde]

369 Boneyarders have voted. 66.7% thinks Hurley looked foolish. Who cares about the reasons. I love getting those laughs from you.

So the majority is always right? 74% of Americans are overweight and 78% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. JS.

 

[superjohn]

Imagine being that ref in that sour of a mood to call a T in that spot when you’re a) getting paid well to officiate a high level college basketball game, and b) doing so with an all expenses paid trip to Maui to do so. rEfErReEs ArE pEoPlE tOo AnD hAvE eGoS. I’m sure people are lined up around the block to do that job and have thicker skin too.

We don't know what the trainer said or what the ref said to Hurley. We could read Hurley's lips to see what he said and he was rolling around on the floor to get the technical in OT, we could all see that and we all know Hurley was being a smartarse saying he tripped or lost his balance.

 

[superjohn]

Hurley to my recollection had no major blowups with the officials the past couple of years. Is that accurate? If so, wouldn’t it be disingenuous to posit “well he had this coming” or “the reputation is already there, so it’s not surprising”? How long does he have to be on better behavior to get a pass in their eyes? I’ve never seen a trainer get a T in watching over 40 years of basketball. The behavior we saw out of Hurley for the rest of that Memphis game stemmed from that call, IMO.

Of course he did, he tends to have blowups when things aren't going well and things went incredibly well last season and most of the season before that. When the wheels were coming off early in Big East play two seasons ago he took another chance at a win from his players by getting a technical at the end of the game against Xavier.

 

[TheHorde]

We don't know what the trainer said or what the ref said to Hurley. We could read Hurley's lips to see what he said and he was rolling around on the floor to get the technical in OT, we could all see that and we all know Hurley was being a smartarse saying he tripped or lost his balance.

Now do Coach K in 2004. There’s a double standard and you won’t admit it. The trainer didn’t “show up” the refs during a huddle. And it wouldn’t the first time ever something was said in a huddle or a bench. When was the last time you saw a T called in this situation? I don’t get you guys man tripping over yourselves to go at Hurley when others have routinely gotten free passes. Without that T on the trainer there is no “smartarse” action to use your words. Damn dude. Smh

 

[Hunt for 7]

So the majority is always right? 74% of Americans are overweight and 78% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. JS.

Not saying the majority being right is the only decider. How about this two wrongs don’t make a right. But the majority of people on this board feel it was a bad look.

And just in this thread many have taken to being on both sides.

I mean even the member I mentioned actually stated that the Hurley interview or that social post was not a good look.

I am over weight and that is my fault even though I have had four surgeries on my right knee and two back surgeries in the last four years. I over eat and have not started doing anything active (until recently) even though i have progressed through recovery enough to pretty much do any type of exercise. My fault, I have a plethora of reasons to be over weight from a physical standpoint but I still hold myself accountable for not improving it. Not using ozempic even though my doctor was pushing it. Eventually I decided to just not only take responsibility but to do something about it and have dropped 20 lbs naturally.

As for the paycheck to paycheck comparison, I really don’t know. I grew up poor was making excuses until I turned 25 then started to get it together and eventually started my own company. Sometimes there is no way out of poverty and wish I had an answer for that one. But I would submit that 50% of Americans who live paycheck to paycheck could make improvements.

I am ok with the criticism of my takes on Hurley on this one but I will never agree with the idea of not taking accountability when I do something wrong. In fact since you all know I am not a genius with my pedestrian takes on hoops, I think I can say that as a leader taking the accountability when things went wrong with my business is probably one of the biggest reasons I had any success. Leaders take accountability it’s what they do at least in my opinion.

 

[TheHorde]

Of course he did, he tends to have blowups when things aren't going well and things went incredibly well last season and most of the season before that. When the wheels were coming off early in Big East play two seasons ago he took another chance at a win from his players by getting a technical at the end of the game against Xavier.

But few and far between over the past couple of years, correct? Were things not going well in this instance? Undefeated at the time, epic comeback to force OT, and a lead in OT. And all of that better behavior got him where exactly for much of the game versus Memphis? By all accounts he had greatly cleaned up his act over the past couple of years.

 

[superjohn]

Now do Coach K in 2004. There’s a double standard and you won’t admit it. The trainer didn’t “show up” the refs during a huddle. And it wouldn’t the first time ever something was said in a huddle or a bench. When was the last time you saw a T called in this situation? I don’t get you guys man tripping over yourselves to go at Hurley when others have routinely gotten free passes. Without that T on the trainer there is no “smartarse” action to use your words. Damn dude. Smh

Smartarse was referring to Hurley talking about how he ended up on the floor. We all know how he ended up on the floor because we all saw it.

Now you're running with Hurley ended up on the floor because his trainer got a T two hours earlier. Once again we don't know what his trainer got a T for, what he said or what the official said.

Hurley acted like a jackarse that game and it's obviously not the first time he's acted like a jackarse and it won't be the last. He's a great coach but this is part of it.

 

[Hamms30]

Colorado took 15 more free throws than UConn and UConn had 50% more fouls called on them than Colorado…it was just as egregious as the Memphis game and yes, I watched them both. That’s not even including the obvious missed over the back non-call that literally decided the outcome of the game. Even with that incredibly lopsided officiating we were still up 1 and should have been up 1 shooting free throws with 10 seconds left.

We shot 3's all game. You don't get foul calls and free throw attempts if you don't go into the paint and create contact. It's not that hard. Memphis and Colorado made conscious efforts to attack our bigs in the paint and get us in foul trouble. We swung the ball around the outside and shot from 3. When we actually went inside, we either got a bucket or a foul call.

 

[CheshireCat]

In the end, it's the hardware that's most important. You can act like a buffoon and your adoring fanbase will support you as long as you produce results. A 3 game losing streak, and suddenly the behavior that has always been there is called into question. He didn't take the Lakers job because he knows himself well enough to know he can't change his stripes to fit that mold.

 

[TheHorde]

In the end, it's the hardware that's most important. You can act like a buffoon and your adoring fanbase will support you as long as you produce results. A 3 game losing streak, and suddenly the behavior that has always been there is called into question. He didn't take the Lakers job because he knows himself well enough to know he can't change his stripes to fit that mold.

It wasn’t there much at all the past 2 years.

 

[Hunt for 7]

Is it possible that Hurley looked foolish and the ref was unprofessional, 2 things can be true.

Oh they were both wrong. My position is not about what happened it is more about how he has or has not addressed the second T that cost them the game.

 

[Scoe]

Oh they were both wrong. My position is not about what happened it is more about how he has or has not addressed the second T that cost them the game.

I do wish Hurley did take accountability I understand him defending his team and even the post game comments the night of. But yes I too didn’t like him not owning up to his own mistake yesterday with a bit more time to take a step back now if he took accountability behind closed doors then ok.