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At the time he was winning all those championships, that was of course the most effective style of play. My point is that the women's college game has evolved in the decade or so since then, which requires adjustments that Geno often seems reluctant to make.
I think this point is partly true, but also overblown. The fact is that Geno's "pretty ball" style got a severely undermanned team to the final four. That means Geno isn't wrong in his sense of where the game is today or what adjustments need to be made. But I share the concern that "bully ball" has gained more of a foothold in D1 WCBB and that is a shame. But this doesn't mean it makes Geno's position less motion offense and switching defense obsolete. This is still the best approach to beating any team in my view. The fundamental question isn't "are they playing 'physical,'" but "do we hit our spots and make our switches effectively?"
 
I think this point is partly true, but also overblown. The fact is that Geno's "pretty ball" style got a severely undermanned team to the final four. That means Geno isn't wrong in his sense of where the game is today or what adjustments need to be made. But I share the concern that "bully ball" has gained more of a foothold in D1 WCBB and that is a shame. But this doesn't mean it makes Geno's position less motion offense and switching defense obsolete. This is still the best approach to beating any team in my view. The fundamental question isn't "are they playing 'physical,'" but "do we hit our spots and make our switches effectively?"
I agree with all of this. Perhaps the addition of Sarah Strong will allow for a rebalancing of the offense towards some more "hard to the rim" play that has worked so well for teams like South Carolina and Notre Dame in recent years. I'm certainly not calling for a wholesale abandonment of the motion offence, just adjustments that frankly should help in the context of the way the game is being officiated today, too.

Geno was already doing some of this via Edwards, but that project was really only partially successful, and certainly not well realized during the Iowa game. The refs were systemically unfair to Aaliyah over the course of her entire career at UConn. And her injury during the Big East tournament, itself a result of poor officiating during that game, did not help the cause for the NCAA's.
 
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I agree with all of this. Perhaps the addition of Sarah Strong will allow for a rebalancing of the offense towards some more "hard to the rim" play that has worked so well for teams like South Carolina and Notre Dame in recent years. I'm certainly not calling for a wholesale abandonment of the motion offence, just adjustments that frankly should help in the context of the way the game is being officiated today, too.
We'll have a few "hard to the rim" players next season in Aubrey and Caroline -- not how most people think of her, but Caroline is a genius in the paint -- and Paige of course. And KK's driving will work better if Sarah and Jana are present, since it won't be so easy to close her down without allowing a pocket pass. And Morgan did a lot of "hard to the rim" play at Mitty HS. She's big at 6'2" with a quick first step. And yes, Sarah should be able to as well. It's not just one player we need for this, but a lineup that reinforces it, and we may have that next year.

In the end, I think "hard to the rim" play makes the most sense in a motion offense, and Geno famously said as much two years ago in a practice when he was caught on film saying to Paige and Nika that you always have to be ready to break off a play and just go to the rim when an opportunity presents itself.
 
The key for me is whether the head coach will finally make the necessary adjustments to his dated motion offence sufficient to allow a "Strong" forward to dominate in today's game with more physical and talented players. Geno's penchant for "pretty basketball" was again on display with that horrendous play he called in the final timeout against Iowa, a play achieved nothing except to force his star player into a small lane near the sideline between three defenders and his team's bench. That play was broken before it even began, and certainly before the offensive foul was called.

It's too bad that Lindsay Schnell's question about it was so poorly worded in the post-game presser, because it gave Geno an easy out ("I don't remember") from having to explain what he drew up there.
Great post, how true.
 
The key for me is whether the head coach will finally make the necessary adjustments to his dated motion offence sufficient to allow a "Strong" forward to dominate in today's game with more physical and talented players. Geno's penchant for "pretty basketball" was again on display with that horrendous play he called in the final timeout against Iowa, a play achieved nothing except to force his star player into a small lane near the sideline between three defenders and his team's bench. That play was broken before it even began, and certainly before the offensive foul was called.

It's too bad that Lindsay Schnell's question about it was so poorly worded in the post-game presser, because it gave Geno an easy out ("I don't remember") from having to explain what he drew up there.
Yeah, the play was so broken that Paige was about to get an open look at a three to win the game! What a terrible call!
I assume you are referring to the “dated motion offense” that just got them to their 23rd final four? Get a grip!
 
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Yeah, the play was so broken that Paige was about to get an open look at a three to win the game! What a terrible call!
I assume you are referring to the “dated motion offense” that just got them to their 23rd final four? Get a grip!
It did not appear to me that Paige was about to get an open look. If she had gotten a shot off, it would have been a prayer. I believe BostonCanck's description of the play is spot on. The issue is not so much 'pretty basketball". The issue was the poor nature of the play call under the given circumstances.
 
I believe this is all wrong. It's because of Geno and because of the offense is why he got this team to the final four. In terms of team success imo your post badly misses the mark by focusing 1 play rather than the entirety of getting to the Final Four.

And this is why he continues to get players like Sarah Strong. It's because his style produces a ton of winning.

If that was the best play call out of a timeout, then I am disappointed. Multiple handoffs in the corner where spacing is tight is not generally a recipe for success. We lost 6 seconds before the foul call. Why not give Paige the ball at the top of the key? If she needs a screen give it to her up top, standing still. Tell her to get to the middle and (1) get to the rim (2) mid jumper or (3) dish for a layup only. Get the shot on the rim with 3-4 seconds left for an opportunity to rebound a miss for a put back. This ending reminded me of Mississippi State.
 
What does it mean getting Sarah? I'll let you know in about 10 months. Right now it means MAYBE we have a great player but we'll have to wait and see.
 
If you don’t see the obvious talent - the skill, the strength, the soft touch on her shots - I don’t know what to tell you. If you’re so dissatisfied with Geno’s recruiting, feel free to jump on the South Carolina bandwagon


Good one!!
 
I didn't expect them to win it all because I don't think they would have beaten South Carolina in the final. But in the semi-final, we had two elite players in Bueckers and Edwards, and very solid supporting players, going up against the 105th ranked defense in women's Division I. And the Huskies could not score 70 points. That's disappointing to me.

In any event, I didn't mean to hijack the tread with further tales of woe about Friday night.

Gotcha. I'm going to try to tie both in and would like your opinion? I have a few questions.

I believe Sarah Strong has the potential to be extremely elite her freshman year regardless of the Offense she is put on. What it means getting Sarah Strong is that you have a potentially efficient scorer from all over the floor. With all this about Sarah, can she be a number 1 lead player this upcoming year? I say no. Which I believe everyone would agree with - Paige is. But the point I am making is that this relates to this past year.

I didn’t expect them to win because I can't recall the last time a team had 4 new freshmen within their top 7 in which they were in the range of 3-7 best on their team - ever win a championship or get to Finals. The freshmen that won - that led their teams were all-time greats (was it Stewie and Chamique?). The point is—a freshman doesn't lead you to titles or Finals unless they are all time great. I named some all-time great freshman that led their team a title. Similarly, can you name a team with so many freshman as part of the core 3 of top 6 or 4 of top 7 that weren't super elite that won a title in recent years or gotten to the Finals?


LSU had 3 prior All-Americans and an elite #1 recruit and they not only got wiped out but they only scored 74 points. This is from last year’s champion. So, why should UCONN need to score more than 70 points if they didn’t have the same firepower of LSU while being so young? To further that, do you really think Kim runs a more modern-day offense than Geno?

And to further this, Geno probably not going to change. In regard to Sarah, you don’t think Sarah will be more efficient than any of the freshmen of the top 5 frosh from last year (and throw in Booker too)? Yet UCON was more successful than these teams this past year, so why the change especially if we outproduced a teams such as LSU who had even more experience and talent and won a title?
 
Many here now define success for the program as making the Final Four. Given that four of the six Final Four losses post-2016 have been what I consider to be bad losses to teams not better than us, I am not really one of those people. But I respect those who are.
I don’t think anyone is suggesting that making the FF is the peak of success. But it’s still an incredible accomplishment to make 15 out of 16 in a row. There are teams that never get there even once, let alone back to back (or back to back to back …). It speaks to sustained success.

You can admire how successful a program has been AND still want more titles, which is what every single UConn fan, former player, current player, and the coaching staff all wants.
 
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If that was the best play call out of a timeout, then I am disappointed. Multiple handoffs in the corner where spacing is tight is not generally a recipe for success. We lost 6 seconds before the foul call. Why not give Paige the ball at the top of the key? If she needs a screen give it to her up top, standing still. Tell her to get to the middle and (1) get to the rim (2) mid jumper or (3) dish for a layup only. Get the shot on the rim with 3-4 seconds left for an opportunity to rebound a miss for a put back. This ending reminded me of Mississippi State.

I agree with you. I did not and still do not like the play call. If we want to say he needs to change his last possession plays - sure.

But I was replying to the Outdated Offense comment - which I don't believe is outdated at all. I think the injuires have ravaged it's capabilities.
 
Yeah, the play was so broken that Paige was about to get an open look at a three to win the game! What a terrible call!
I assume you are referring to the “dated motion offense” that just got them to their 23rd final four? Get a grip!
She was nowhere close to getting an open shot. She had the Iowa center closing on her very quickly and Marshall was no more than a few feet off her hip also closing. It would have been a contested shot. If you watch the replay it’s actually Edwards who would have been wide open a the top of the key if Paige couldn’t get a clean shot and needed to make a quick pass.

i think Taurasi even said the screen didn’t work in getting Paige that open.
 
Gotcha. I'm going to try to tie both in and would like your opinion? I have a few questions.

I believe Sarah Strong has the potential to be extremely elite her freshman year regardless of the Offense she is put on. What it means getting Sarah Strong is that you have a potentially efficient scorer from all over the floor. With all this about Sarah, can she be a number 1 lead player this upcoming year? I say no. Which I believe everyone would agree with - Paige is. But the point I am making is that this relates to this past year.

I didn’t expect them to win because I can't recall the last time a team had 4 new freshmen within their top 7 in which they were in the range of 3-7 best on their team - ever win a championship or get to Finals. The freshmen that won - that led their teams were all-time greats (was it Stewie and Chamique?). The point is—a freshman doesn't lead you to titles or Finals unless they are all time great. I named some all-time great freshman that led their team a title. Similarly, can you name a team with so many freshman as part of the core 3 of top 6 or 4 of top 7 that weren't super elite that won a title in recent years or gotten to the Finals?


LSU had 3 prior All-Americans and an elite #1 recruit and they not only got wiped out but they only scored 74 points. This is from last year’s champion. So, why should UCONN need to score more than 70 points if they didn’t have the same firepower of LSU while being so young? To further that, do you really think Kim runs a more modern-day offense than Geno?

And to further this, Geno probably not going to change. In regard to Sarah, you don’t think Sarah will be more efficient than any of the freshmen of the top 5 frosh from last year (and throw in Booker too)? Yet UCON was more successful than these teams this past year, so why the change especially if we outproduced a teams such as LSU who had even more experience and talent and won a title?
I agree that Paige will be our star player next year. But Sarah should be an effective replacement for Alliyah, and the quicker she can develop the better, because next year is probably going to be UConn's best shot to win it all given the roster they will have.

To your next point, what Geno did to get his freshman-laden team playing the way they did this season was masterful. It doesn't take the sting out of Friday's loss to Iowa, but beating USC to get to the Final Four was a moment of incredible joy and accomplishment.

Regarding the need to score more than 70 points, while I am not a conspiracy theorist, let's just say that the officiating bias against UConn does require something of an extra "margin" for UConn to win these later-round NCAA tournament games. 18 personal fouls vs. 9. And that 9 was the fewest personal fouls called against Iowa in any game all season.

So like you, I'm very optimistic about next year. With so many great players returning from injury, the nation's number one recruit, some sophomore leaps, and a hungry Paige Bueckers and Geno Auriemma, the sky is the limit!
 
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She was nowhere close to getting an open shot. She had the Iowa center closing on her very quickly and Marshall was no more than a few feet off her hip also closing. It would have been a contested shot. If you watch the replay it’s actually Edwards who would have been wide open a the top of the key if Paige couldn’t get a clean shot and needed to make a quick pass.

i think Taurasi even said the screen didn’t work in getting Paige that open.
Fully agree about the pass to Edwards being the best option at that point, had the offensive foul not been called. Wouldn't have been an easy pass to see being available or to make over all those defenders. But I l believe Paige would have pulled it off and Alliyah would have made the short and uncontested drive to the rim to lay it in for the win.
 
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Fully agree about the pass to Edwards being the best option at that point, had the offensive foul not been called. Wouldn't have been an easy pass to see being available or to make over all those defenders. But I l believe Paige would have pulled it off and Alliyah would have made the short and uncontested drive to the rim to lay it in for the win.
She was nowhere close to getting an open shot. She had the Iowa center closing on her very quickly and Marshall was no more than a few feet off her hip also closing. It would have been a contested shot. If you watch the replay it’s actually Edwards who would have been wide open a the top of the key if Paige couldn’t get a clean shot and needed to make a quick pass.

i think Taurasi even said the screen didn’t work in getting Paige that open.
Oh, well if Taurasi said so, how can I believe my own eyes?
 
It looks like Paige hit the screen before Aaliyah was ready. Patience in the guard is key to a successful screen.
AE is good for an offensive foul a game trying to screen .. she does tend to move and lean into players when she doesn’t need too . Ice does a good job putting hands down and not lean shoulders towards players .. if that was a set play AE knew it was coming .. mot the reason UConn lost they just didn’t shoot well and defense kept them in it
 
Getting Sarah Strong is a huge deal.

UConn will be able to play excellent three point shooters at every position without sacrificing size. And Geno can go to the bench with more three point shooters. What a roster.

There are not many teams at any level, men or women, that can say that.

And if an opposing team has to defend the three at every position, that opens everything else up.

Doing the scouting report on UConn next season will be an excruciating experience.
 
If you don’t see the obvious talent - the skill, the strength, the soft touch on her shots - I don’t know what to tell you. If you’re so dissatisfied with Geno’s recruiting, feel free to jump on the South Carolina bandwagon


You offer a quite noncollegial, counterproductive statement when you tell a person "if you don't agree with me, then leave" . Wow--that's real big signage to say "Only those who agree with me, are allowed at this site". For the record, I do happen to believe Sarah will be a truly, great contributor to the UConn program, and Geno's recruitment efforts potentially has been solid, but not stellar.

However, I choose not to "jump on the SC bandwagon" because in the basketball sense, they are the evil empire and I am a Jedi warrior.

At the same time, I can reasonably understand why some posters may be skeptical of the ratings HS players get, especially of late: We've seen "the obvious talent--the skill, the strength, the soft touch" in a lot of our top five recruits--CW, Liv, Amari, to date, Ice and Yanna--yet sadly, they underperformed and failed to make huge impact to the program, given their top five label.

You mention South Carolina--well, Dawn has significantly out-recruited Geno in the past few years in that their top recruits are panning out and making more contribution to their program than UConn's top recruits have. Certainly, the UConn injuries are a significant factor and those continually injured--Azzi, Caroline, etc--must be placed in the category of the unknown.

Nonetheless, I feel even the most ardent UConn fan would admit that having Top 5 HS players--even #1 overall HS picks--have not in recent times translated to a national championship, and getting to the Final Four which this program has most capably done, it is not the ultimate goal of this program.

Since winning the natty is unequivocally stated by the Geno and UConn as its goal each season, you can't blame some fans--who admittedly have undue expectation, given all the injuries--who want to hold the program to its own set goal...
 
I agree with all of this. Perhaps the addition of Sarah Strong will allow for a rebalancing of the offense towards some more "hard to the rim" play that has worked so well for teams like South Carolina and Notre Dame in recent years. I'm certainly not calling for a wholesale abandonment of the motion offence, just adjustments that frankly should help in the context of the way the game is being officiated today, too.

Geno was already doing some of this via Edwards, but that project was really only partially successful, and certainly not well realized during the Iowa game. The refs were systemically unfair to Aaliyah over the course of her entire career at UConn. And her injury during the Big East tournament, itself a result of poor officiating during that game, did not help the cause for the NCAA's.
I agree with many of your observations--they are very much on point. I do disagree with your contention that the refs were "systematically unfair to Aaliyah. Why would you feel there is a bias against AE? Maybe it's her style of play. I've heard a lot of UConn fans complain that WBB is becoming bully ball and point to the SC program as the chief culprit. Maybe AE exuded this style and was called for it at times...

So i think it would be up to Geno and AE to conform to how she is being officiated;; for example in the Iowa game, when on a critical game-changing play, and a ref standing right in front, is it sensible and necessary to stick your arms out like a pulling guard in the NFL to pop a trailing Gabby Marshall, someone who is slow of foot and Paige could run rings around?

Rebecca Lobo also thought this was unquestionably a foul, and so did I--certainly you can't accuse Lobo of being biased against UConn's program. The foul was completely unnecessary , which throughout her illustrious, All-American career at UConn, AE has made many bonehead, head scratching decisions...
 
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At the same time, I can reasonably understand why some posters may be skeptical of the ratings HS players get, especially of late: We've seen "the obvious talent--the skill, the strength, the soft touch" in a lot of our top five recruits--CW, Liv, Amari, to date, Ice and Yanna--yet sadly, they underperformed and failed to make huge impact to the program, given their top five label.

You mention South Carolina--well, Dawn has significantly out-recruited Geno in the past few years in that their top recruits are panning out and making more contribution to their program than UConn's top recruits have. Certainly, the UConn injuries are a significant factor and those continually injured--Azzi, Caroline, etc--must be placed in the category of the unknown.

Nonetheless, I feel even the most ardent UConn fan would admit that having Top 5 HS players--even #1 overall HS picks--have not in recent times translated to a national championship, and getting to the Final Four which this program has most capably done, it is not the ultimate goal of this program.

Since winning the natty is unequivocally stated by the Geno and UConn as its goal each season, you can't blame some fans--who admittedly have undue expectation, given all the injuries--who want to hold the program to its own set goal...
I disagree with most of the context of your post. In regard to -CW, Liv, Amari, to date, Ice and Yanna-- Liv and Yanna did not have soft touches away from the basket. Though some mentioned it- but these were wrong evaluations. And Amari was not a top 10 player so putting her in the discussion with the number 1 player is not the best example to cite. Yes maybe CW did. And yes they underperformed to their ranking - but for example CW and Liv got to the Finals - and a Final Four another year. You're being kind of harsh especially with Liv-- she is a pro player that got to 3 Final Fours, one was a Finals.

And you mention about UCONN injuries in para 2 but then you take a bit of a snipe for not winning the championship. But if the injuries are significant as you state, then why would you expect or take a shot at UCONN for not winning it all?

Which leads further to goals. If you are going mention goals then you can't just disregard the other goals that have been met which this program does state - and they are win the Big East, Win the B.E Tourney, win the Regional FF. You did say "Ulitmte Goal" but you made it seem like the other goals don't matter. Does it seem like to any of us that the team doesn't celebrate the other goals? Ofc they do. Because they have meaning to the UCONN team including Geno. So, if they have significant injuries and they are meeting all their goals instead of the last one, it seems odd that UCONN should take a hit for this.

As a result, your final statement imo glosses over the goals. which is why I disagree with the context of your post. For anyone not understanding that their other goals that have been achieved along with there being significant injuries these past three years- ofc "we can blame them (the posters or fans)" if they become accusatory.

And in regard to this thread the 5 players you mentioned above- 4 of the 5 were not #1 recruits yet you lumped them in with Sarah.,

Why not appreciate what UCONN has done? Why not appreciate that a number 1 recruit is coming? The potential that Sarah can bring is exciting. It is very possible she can bring to the table great shooting, passing and rebounding. I suppose you do appreciate – but at least the context of this post it just seemed all so negative on a thread in which we got the #1 recruit.
 
I agree with many of your observations--they are very much on point. I do disagree with your contention that the refs were "systematically unfair to Aaliyah. Why would you feel there is a bias against AE? Maybe it's her style of play. I've heard a lot of UConn fans complain that WBB is becoming bully ball and point to the SC program as the chief culprit. Maybe AE exuded this style and was called for it at times...

So i think it would be up to Geno and AE to conform to how she is being officiated;; for example in the Iowa game, when on a critical game-changing play, and a ref standing right in front, is it sensible and necessary to stick your arms out like a pulling guard in the NFL to pop a trailing Gabby Marshall, someone who is slow of foot and Paige could run rings around?

Rebecca Lobo also thought this was unquestionably a foul, and so did I--certainly you can't accuse Lobo of being biased against UConn's program. The foul was completely unnecessary , which throughout her illustrious, All-American career at UConn, AE has made many bonehead, head scratching decisions...
The systemic bias I am referring to is the officials letting other players beat up on her game after game, which led to certain liberties being taken by opponents like the kid who broke her nose. Meanwhile, they never missed an opportunity to call any kind of foul on Edwards. That includes moving screens, something that she was never able to contain over the course of her time at UConn.

Yes, in the Iowa game she "moved" so technically a foul, although I still think it's a no-call under the circumstances. But Edwards should have been more careful and not done it, because with her it usually resulted in a whistle.

Auriemma's reaction to the call pretty much said it all. It was part why did I even draw up this stupid play, part how dare you call that foul at this moment in the game, and part Aaliyah, how could you do that again at this most critical moment?
 
You offer a quite noncollegial, counterproductive statement when you tell a person "if you don't agree with me, then leave" . Wow--that's real big signage to say "Only those who agree with me, are allowed at this site". For the record, I do happen to believe Sarah will be a truly, great contributor to the UConn program, and Geno's recruitment efforts potentially has been solid, but not stellar.

However, I choose not to "jump on the SC bandwagon" because in the basketball sense, they are the evil empire and I am a Jedi warrior.

At the same time, I can reasonably understand why some posters may be skeptical of the ratings HS players get, especially of late: We've seen "the obvious talent--the skill, the strength, the soft touch" in a lot of our top five recruits--CW, Liv, Amari, to date, Ice and Yanna--yet sadly, they underperformed and failed to make huge impact to the program, given their top five label.

You mention South Carolina--well, Dawn has significantly out-recruited Geno in the past few years in that their top recruits are panning out and making more contribution to their program than UConn's top recruits have. Certainly, the UConn injuries are a significant factor and those continually injured--Azzi, Caroline, etc--must be placed in the category of the unknown.

Nonetheless, I feel even the most ardent UConn fan would admit that having Top 5 HS players--even #1 overall HS picks--have not in recent times translated to a national championship, and getting to the Final Four which this program has most capably done, it is not the ultimate goal of this program.

Since winning the natty is unequivocally stated by the Geno and UConn as its goal each season, you can't blame some fans--who admittedly have undue expectation, given all the injuries--who want to hold the program to its own set goal...
In the same post, you laud Dawn’s healthy players as “panning out and making more contribution“ while criticizing the injured Geno’s players as not contributing as much. Does that seem a little one-sided? Tell me, ever thought about becoming a referee?
 
I think that the decision on players will be made by Geno with input from his coaching staff. I am confident that this decision will be the best for the Team.
 
The key for me is whether the head coach will finally make the necessary adjustments to his dated motion offence sufficient to allow a "Strong" forward to dominate in today's game with more physical and talented players. Geno's penchant for "pretty basketball" was again on display with that horrendous play he called in the final timeout against Iowa, a play achieved nothing except to force his star player into a small lane near the sideline between three defenders and his team's bench. That play was broken before it even began, and certainly before the offensive foul was called.

It's too bad that Lindsay Schnell's question about it was so poorly worded in the post-game presser, because it gave Geno an easy out ("I don't remember") from having to explain what he drew up there.
"Pretty Plays?" I guess they must be because so many coach's who have been successful have come to Storrs's to watch his players implement them - and that includes the one who just won the national championship.
 
I do not know this young lady and I am sure that she is very nice. What makes her so special as a player and what can she do to contribute to this team. I was under the impression which I admit that I was wrong that she was 6 feet 6 inches and can really fill up the middle. Well, she is a big young woman and she can take up space but someone, please explain to me and perhaps others, why is she such a good recruit?

Just remember all of the recruits in the past who were touted as saviors for the program and who picked up splinters sitting on Geno's bench. Have to say that Arnold and Shade have done more than most freshman and the program would have severely suffered without them. Enlighten us all.
Best to watch video of her games
 
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