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What Could Happen to P5 Conferences after Coronavirus Cases Settle

You may be right about the Big 12...

From the ever present anonymous source:

"The ACC also considered Connecticut and Cincinnati for membership. However, sources told ESPN that the league wanted Louisville only because there is a sense among league presidents that the ACC can add more schools at a later date if the conference loses any other current members."
 
billybud said:
Oh...yeah...the old unnamed source...ACC source?

Sure...
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Lol, you complained about the other posters link because it wasn’t an accredited reporter. The link I posted was from the largest newspaper in the state, but you think the reporter just made stuff up.

Shrug ...
 
CL82 said:
Lol, you complained about the other posters link because it wasn’t an accredited reporter. The link I posted was from the largest newspaper in the state, but you think the reporter just made stuff up.

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Reporters get all sorts of "thoughts" from people who say that they are "insiders"...kind of like some board insiders. When it a named quotable person, then you pay attention.

Interviews like this with Clemson's AD...Terry Don Phillips

"For example, in this latest contract with ESPN, 80% of it is generated by football. As good as basketball has been in the ACC, it is very evident just through this contract that football has to be very, very relevant."

Or Swofford interviews...

"Swofford estimated that football drives 70-80 percent of rights fees and acknowledged that more national success in that sport would have meant additional revenue."

"Swofford said the increased revenue from ESPN coincides with what ACC officials projected when they voted to accept Pitt and Syracuse."

And sure...FSU fans wanted football...and it was a very public discussion....from the FSU writer on back Bleacher Report ...

In the ACC, there is a legitimate divide, or battle lines drawn if you will. North Carolina and Duke sit on one end of the spectrum while Florida State, Clemson and Virginia Tech fall opposite of them. That line cuts through the sand at "what's most important" for a university community to strive for greatness, in the athletic realm.

For Florida State, Clemson and Virginia Tech the answer is simple, football is where they have constructed their identity and how they are building their brand. On the UNC and Duke side, they have opted to tie themselves to basketball.

Well, in the wake of expansion and the numbers piling up with television, we have a clear right and wrong. A winner and a loser of sorts. A right way and a wrong way.

bleacherreport.com

ACC Football 2012: It Is Time to Admit That Conference Has Backed Wrong Horse

In the ACC, there is a legitimate divide, or battle lines drawn if you will. North Carolina and Duke sit on one end of the spectrum while Florida State, Clemson and Virginia Tech fall opposite of them...
bleacherreport.com bleacherreport.com
 
billybud said:
Reporters get all sorts of "thoughts" from people who say that they are "insiders"...kind of like some board insiders. When it a named quotable person, then you pay attention.

Interviews like this with Clemson's AD...Terry Don Phillips

"For example, in this latest contract with ESPN, 80% of it is generated by football. As good as basketball has been in the ACC, it is very evident just through this contract that football has to be very, very relevant."

Or Swofford interviews...

"Swofford estimated that football drives 70-80 percent of rights fees and acknowledged that more national success in that sport would have meant additional revenue."

"Swofford said the increased revenue from ESPN coincides with what ACC officials projected when they voted to accept Pitt and Syracuse."

And sure...FSU fans wanted football...and it was a very public discussion....from the FSU writer on back Bleacher Report ...

In the ACC, there is a legitimate divide, or battle lines drawn if you will. North Carolina and Duke sit on one end of the spectrum while Florida State, Clemson and Virginia Tech fall opposite of them. That line cuts through the sand at "what's most important" for a university community to strive for greatness, in the athletic realm.

For Florida State, Clemson and Virginia Tech the answer is simple, football is where they have constructed their identity and how they are building their brand. On the UNC and Duke side, they have opted to tie themselves to basketball.

Well, in the wake of expansion and the numbers piling up with television, we have a clear right and wrong. A winner and a loser of sorts. A right way and a wrong way.

bleacherreport.com

ACC Football 2012: It Is Time to Admit That Conference Has Backed Wrong Horse

In the ACC, there is a legitimate divide, or battle lines drawn if you will. North Carolina and Duke sit on one end of the spectrum while Florida State, Clemson and Virginia Tech fall opposite of them...
bleacherreport.com bleacherreport.com
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So to recap, you believe that a reporter from the state's largest newspaper with over three decades of experience got it wrong and your authority is a Bleacher Report article.

Okay then.
 
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CL82 said:
So to recap, you believe that a reporter from the state's largest newspaper with over three decades of experience got it wrong and your authority is a Bleacher Report article.

Okay then.
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Nope...that Bleacher Report linked to a direct interview with the Clemson AD....and Swofford's declarations about the football driving the ACC are easily found. I have posted them before.

As far as the angst between football and basketball factions, you'll never see that attributed to a named source...It was fodder with the boards and twitterati, as I recently discussed with Buddy.

Michael Felder has been covering the ACC specifically, as a writer, podcaster, for 12 years and has decent insights into the fans.
 
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Nope...that Bleacher Report linked to a direct interview with the Clemson AD....and Swofford's declarations about the football driving the ACC are easily found. I have posted them before.

As far as the angst between football and basketball factions, you'll never see that attributed to a named source...It was fodder with the boards and twitterati.

Michael Felder has been covering the ACC specifically, as a writer, podcaster, for 12 years and has decent insights into the fans.
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Uh, yeah I think I'll stick with the reporter with 30 years of experience at the largest state newspaper rather than a Bleacher Report "article" even if it is buttressed with a podcaster.

Here's the thing though, you asked for a credible source and they were posted here. Why the denial?
 
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CL82 said:
Uh, yeah I think I'll stick with the reporter with 30 years of experience at the largest state newspaper rather than a Bleacher Report "article" even if it is buttressed with a podcaster.

Here's the thing though, you asked for a credible source and they were posted here. Why the denial?
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The source is an unnamed source....to determine the actual validity of something..you have to know from who it comes. In the Bleacher article the source is named...the interview is linked.

A "source" can be giving his opinion, be transferring hear say...

When I took testimony in cases, my decisions were based on points of law and found facts. I could not use provided information that was hear say since it did not carry the weight of evidence.

Info like the following is sourced...

“The world is a much different place now in that regard,” Swofford said. “For decades, as a conference, we made more headlines in basketball and more money in basketball, and there was nothing inherently wrong with that. Obviously, basketball remains a huge part of our success and identity today.

“But for various reasons, that picture has changed significantly. We’ve been through realignment and expansion multiple times, with football a major factor in that. We have an ACC football championship game now. We have a College Football Playoff. I think it’s fair to say that, without significant upgrades in football over the years, the ACC would not be where it is today.”

I think the linked article is a pretty good coverage of the ACC expansion over the years...

 
billybud said:
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The source is an unnamed source....to determine the actual validity of something..you have to know from who it comes. In the Bleacher article the source is named...the interview is linked.

A "source" can be giving his opinion, be transferring hear say...

When I took testimony in cases, my decisions were based on points of law and found facts. I could not use provided information that was hear say since it did not carry the weight of evidence.

Info like the following is sourced...

“The world is a much different place now in that regard,” Swofford said. “For decades, as a conference, we made more headlines in basketball and more money in basketball, and there was nothing inherently wrong with that. Obviously, basketball remains a huge part of our success and identity today.

“But for various reasons, that picture has changed significantly. We’ve been through realignment and expansion multiple times, with football a major factor in that. We have an ACC football championship game now. We have a College Football Playoff. I think it’s fair to say that, without significant upgrades in football over the years, the ACC would not be where it is today.”

I think the linked article is a pretty good coverage of the ACC expansion over the years...

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Lol, so the rules of evidence Is now the standard for fan forum posts? Or is it only for sports articles? You asked for an authoritative source, and you got one. It was an article from the largest state newspaper written by a journalist with over 30 years experience. The fact that you’re struggling so hard to discount it seems a little disingenuous.
 
But the new AAC media contract is so good!! Contraction begins.
 
Sky is falling...in some places.
 
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Exit 4 said:
But the new AAC media contract is so good!! Contraction begins.
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And Cincy is turning into a decent soccer town with their MLS expansion team. That stinks for the students.

In one of the Tweest after, I did agree with tge guy who noted that some of the financial pain can be lseesed by cutting simpl things, like multi-million dollar caoches salaries for teams who are barley .500 and having students the night before a game stay on-campus instead of a hotel, regular countrtops in the athlete's ding area instead of imported Italian marble, etc.
 
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I think that there will be a push for non revenue sports to go more local conferences. And pretty much nobody will notice.
 
CL82 said:
Lol, so the rules of evidence Is now the standard for fan forum posts? Or is it only for sports articles? You asked for an authoritative source, and you got one. It was an article from the largest state newspaper written by a journalist with over 30 years experience. The fact that you’re struggling so hard to discount it seems a little disingenuous.
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Look...you just want to be contentious...all I have stated, and restated is that information has validity....and hearsay is not as valid as a quoted source. You disagree?
 
billybud said:
Look...you just want to be contentious...all I have stated, and restated is that information has validity....and hearsay is not as valid as a quoted source. You disagree?
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Not contentious in the least. We are just discussing your initial premise that the fact FSU and Clemson lobbied for Louisville in lieu of Connecticut was “an Internet rumor.” You asked for sources to the contrary. Another poster put one up and you discounted it because it wasn’t a newspaper. I gave you the source from the state's largest newspaper and a reporter for over 30 years experience and you are struggling to try to discount it. I have to laugh and say it’s okay to admit that you are wrong, and just move on.

The thin branch you are now clinging to now is that the language in the article would not be admissible in court under the hearsay rule, I shake my head and laugh because that not really an applicable standard for either a newspaper or a fan forum. But probably the most entertaining point is that the article would, in fact, be admissible for the purpose of disproving your original statement, that FSU is lobbying against UConn was “mere Internet rumor.” Isn’t that right “judge?”
 
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CL82 said:
Not contentious in the least. We are just discussing your initial premise that the fact FSU and Clemson lobbied for Louisville in lieu of Connecticut was “an Internet rumor.” You asked for sources to the contrary. Another poster put one up and you discounted it because it wasn’t a newspaper. I gave you the source from the state's largest newspaper and a reporter for over 30 years experience and you are struggling to try to discount it. I have to laugh and say it’s okay to admit that you are wrong, and just move on.

The thin branch you are now clinging to now is that the language in the article would not be admissible in court under the hearsay rule, I shake my head and laugh because that not really an applicable standard for either a newspaper or a fan forum. But probably the most entertaining point is that the article would, in fact, be admissible for the purpose of disproving your original statement, that FSU is lobbying against UConn was “mere Internet rumor.” Isn’t that right “judge?”
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Please put me on ignore..as I am putting you....and no...it would not be admissable...his source could well have been an ACC blogger...an unidentified source is just that...it becomes an internet rumor...

Like this...

Multiple sources have told MrSEC.com that Virginia and Georgia Tech have had conversations with the Big Ten, but all parties involved are waiting to see the outcome of the ACC/Maryland battle before deciding to wed. There have been other reports that the Big Ten has had contact with North Carolina and Duke as well.
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billybud said:
Please put me on ignore..as I am putting you....and no...it would not be admissable...his source could well have been an ACC blogger...an unidentified source is just that...it becomes an internet rumor...

Like this...
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Nope. The article is direct evidence that there were more than "mere internet rumors" of FSU opposing UConn in favor of Louisville. Not sure why it means so much to you though. It was a silly example as compliance with the federal rules of evidence aren't a prerequisite for a newspaper article or an fan forum post.
 
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Bobol said:
Does it really matter which schools blocked Conn's invite to the ACC ?
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It doesn't. What does matter is if the ACC or B10 has openings, perhaps because of financial needs, UConn and state of Connecticut do everything they can to get UConn in. Not like last time.
 
LoyalFanCT said:
It doesn't. What does matter is if the ACC or B10 has openings, perhaps because of financial needs, UConn and state of Connecticut do everything they can to get UConn in. Not like last time.
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In life, timing is everything. It is not likely that another chance will come now. Sorry. Conferences will more likely be contracting. Will ESPN even be able to pay what they will be owing to these guys?
 
LoyalFanCT said:
It doesn't. What does matter is if the ACC or B10 has openings, perhaps because of financial needs, UConn and state of Connecticut do everything they can to get UConn in. Not like last time.
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The possibilty of UConn joining a P5 league is all but dead and buried. The move to the BE was both a confirmation and a guarantee. UConn paid $17M to leave the AAC, $3.5M to join the BE and agreed to a $30M exit fee for the first six seasons. It is not changing conferences again for a very long time.
 
TJT said:
The possibilty of UConn joining a P5 league is all but dead and buried. The move to the BE was both a confirmation and a guarantee. UConn paid $17M to leave the AAC, $3.5M to join the BE and agreed to a $30M exit fee for the first six seasons. It is not changing conferences again for a very long time.
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I understand why one would be skeptical about further conference realignment. But as I recall a lot of people were shocked when the Univ of Maryland left the ACC for the B10. In the coming months, I think there is going to be a massive shakeup in major college sports. Rather than contraction, the powers that be are going to be looking for revenue -- demographic profiles of fan bases are going to be very important. That's where Connecticut comes in. UConn can fill Madison Square Garden and generate enthusiasm. If the football team resumes its former excellence it can generate enthusiasm too. I would just hate to see Cincinnati sneaking into the ACC while UConn is once again asleep at the wheel.
 
LoyalFanCT said:
I understand why one would be skeptical about further conference realignment. But as I recall a lot of people were shocked when the Univ of Maryland left the ACC for the B10. In the coming months, I think there is going to be a massive shakeup in major college sports. Rather than contraction, the powers that be are going to be looking for revenue -- demographic profiles of fan bases are going to be very important. That's where Connecticut comes in. UConn can fill Madison Square Garden and generate enthusiasm. If the football team resumes its former excellence it can generate enthusiasm too. I would just hate to see Cincinnati sneaking into the ACC while UConn is once again asleep at the wheel.
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It was a shock move, even to many in the B1G; but, Maryland was in bad financial shape at the time and needed a boost in revenue beyodn what the ACC was offering plus teh B1G has been eying the DC market for years. Thus, in the current environment, everyone needs help and I simply don't see a match between the ACC or B1G and UConn at this time.
 
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The same dynamics that drove CR will continue to do so...filling MSG won't be that important...and never really was in CR.

It is about television, the numbers watching....and football has been the sport drawing the numbers.

I do think that UConn, with a football team that was a winner and seen as perenially competitive, could be an attractive match up...ESPN, Fox, et al, will want match ups that interest folks and will draw the numbers.

The most watched BB games in 2019 (truncated season without tournaments)...

Last call for college hoops ratings

2019..Ten regular season BB games of 2 million viewers....111 football games with at least 2 million viewers (not counting the bowls or conference championships for a fair comparison).

Football will, for now, still drive the boat...unless the whole dynamic changes because of covid-19.
 
The Funster said:
I can't wish enough poor fortune on BC for what they did. They can wallow in misery forever, IMO.

Don't really care what happens to the P5 anymore. Big Time college sports has slowly strangled the golden goose.
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I absolutely agree. I would be hilarious is ESPN can't pay them!
 
If...things go back to fairly normal...having 111 football games in the season that draw 2 million viewers will mean that the golden goose will still be honking.... and laying them golden eggs.
 
buddy said:
Wake averages around 28K per home football game, UConn lucky to average 20K. They seem to do well in their sporting events compared to UConn. I wouldn't pick on Wake, they were a friend. They finished 8-5 in ACC, UConn was what again in the AAC? No stones from people in glass houses right?
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The Boneyard always has had a short memory. Prior to several terrible coaching hires by UCONN, one of the recurring themes on here was the need to expand the Rent so forget the
“ lucky to average 20k”. With the right coach ( and I don’t think it’s Randy, , I may be in the minority But I think UCONN can significantly increase attendance again. There are very few schools that (fans) travel as well UCONN. That is well known in basketball and was known in football. If u are using Wake as a stalking horse, Wake could never say that in any sport.
 
Wake is in the ACC. P5 Conference. I am not using them as a stalking horse as they are not bankrupt. They have been a friend to UConn, unlike other members of that conference. That is all to which I was referring.
 
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