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Plebe said:
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Unless Westbrook goes public, NCAA can hide in privacy

Here is what I've learned: Public shaming is the only way to shame the shameless. And in the batting order of shamelessness, the NCAA hits cleanup. Hence, unless specifics surface about the NCAA's all...
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This is the route that Oregon took with Prince's waiver, but they didn't wait until a decision came down to spill the beans.

There is fixin' to be a lot of bad blood. Which, all history considered, is saying something.
 
CL82 said:
What Tennessee did was say that it doesn't oppose Evina playing right away. What Tennessee didn't do is say that it supported her playing right away. It's petty and small minded. I certainly hope the HS WBB community takes notice of it.
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I don't think that was what was asked. In an appeal, you must add more details (facts) that were not previously provided. Another very important detail about the facts is that you are assuming Phil Fulmer has some detailed knowledge. All he has is what the previous staff and Westbrook may have provided. This starts to get into a my word vs. your word situation. This gets even more complicated, because the entire previous staff has departed, along with the player, so it's not like there's someone still around that can clear things up or provide insight on last season. It's quite possible that Phil wants to wash his hands of the entire thing. The staff is gone. The disgruntled players are gone. He's moved on.

Meantime, it probably doesn't make any difference. Mikayla Coombs also wasn't waived. MiMi Collins is sitting out too.

Keep in mind, the AD doesn't know all that is or isn't happening on a day to day basis within the teams.

It's also highly possible that Fulmer is not in agreement with all that was said in the waiver documentation. Perhaps saying nothing was better than saying any thing at all. If he didn't agree, should he have come out and made her situation worse?

My point is that we don't know the specifics.
 
Plebe said:
www.theday.com

Unless Westbrook goes public, NCAA can hide in privacy

Here is what I've learned: Public shaming is the only way to shame the shameless. And in the batting order of shamelessness, the NCAA hits cleanup. Hence, unless specifics surface about the NCAA's all...
www.theday.com www.theday.com
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I don't think Uconn will let Evina do this, too much distraction that won't change anything at this point.
 
mtsuraider06 said:
Then why did Coombs have her waiver denied at Georgia? I'll wait for the answer...
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Mikayla was well liked by the UConn coaches and players, but it was absolutely clear that she was not going to be getting major PT so long as she remained at UConn. So Mikayla was a plain, old-fashion, every day transfer in search of PT, subject to the whims of the NCAA, which seems to have a highly arbitrary track record on such requests. It’s possible that Mikayla might also have some hardship element to her waiver request since she was moving close to home. In either case, I am certain that UConn would have fully supported the waiver request.
 
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Justavisitor said:
Meantime, it probably doesn't make any difference. Mikayla Coombs also wasn't waived. MiMi Collins is sitting out too.
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mtsuraider06 said:
Then why did Coombs have her waiver denied at Georgia? I'll wait for the answer...
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It doesn't appear that Maryland even applied for a waiver for Collins, so that's a moot point.

UConn fully supported Coombs' waiver and we'll see what happens on the appeal. When every party is fully supportive, then all of the ire can be focused on the NCAA.

From everything that's been gathered, Coombs' waiver seemed to come down to playing time and Evina's came down to environment. There has been nothing to suggest that there was something happening at UConn that was detrimental to Coombs' well-being that prompted the transfer. Geno supported it, just like he supported AEH's and Gordon's. AEH got the waiver.

If there were things happening at Tennessee that were detrimental to Evina's well-being, she has the right to go elsewhere without being punished. Whether that's UConn, Notre Dame, or back home to Salem to be the queen of D3 at Willamette.

There aren't black and white rules (at least ones that are being followed), and it isn't fair that the NCAA is playing God with these kids' careers.
 
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Geno is right. All student-athlete waivers should either be approved or disapproved. When you have a selective, unaccountable Kommittee—with all their inherent biases and prejudices—deciding who can/cannot play, arriving at a "fair" result is impossible.
 
Justavisitor said:
I don't think that was what was asked. In an appeal, you must add more details (facts) that were not previously provided. Another very important detail about the facts is that you are assuming Phil Fulmer has some detailed knowledge. All he has is what the previous staff and Westbrook may have provided. This starts to get into a my word vs. your word situation. This gets even more complicated, because the entire previous staff has departed, along with the player, so it's not like there's someone still around that can clear things up or provide insight on last season. It's quite possible that Phil wants to wash his hands of the entire thing. The staff is gone. The disgruntled players are gone. He's moved on.

Meantime, it probably doesn't make any difference. Mikayla Coombs also wasn't waived. MiMi Collins is sitting out too.

Keep in mind, the AD doesn't know all that is or isn't happening on a day to day basis within the teams.

It's also highly possible that Fulmer is not in agreement with all that was said in the waiver documentation. Perhaps saying nothing was better than saying any thing at all. If he didn't agree, should he have come out and made her situation worse?

My point is that we don't know the specifics.
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No we don't, but we do know the public comments of those who do, including Auriemma's. He's not happy about how Tennessee is handling this. On the other hand, Tennessee's comments are, essentially, "she's dead to us." Put those two things together and you can start drawing inferences as to what happened in Evina's matter.
 
mtsuraider06 said:
Then why did Coombs have her waiver denied at Georgia? I'll wait for the answer...
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Why does this continue to get brought up? Geno wasn't fired, Holly was. Mikayla's mom didn't get into it with crazed UCONN fans on social media, Evina's mom did. I have no idea if UCONN approached the appeal along the lines of "abuse" of some kind, but there was more to the waiver request then just "the coach was fired".

Regardless, the 2 situations aren't remotely related.
 
hoopsfan22 said:
The rules she agreed to do not mention that if one person gets a waiver everyone gets a waiver. Sorry I feel bad for Westbrook, but there's nothing she can do here.
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I think that was the point. The "rules" are applied unfairly so some players get to bypass the rules without a good reason given (wasn't there just an Ohio State player that was granted immediate eligibility without much reason?) and others are forced to follow the transfer rules, again, without much reason. There could be a case based on the whole Jess Shepard and anyone else that got immediate eligibility without a cause that is outlined by the NCAA while others have to sit out. Basically saying that the NCAA discriminates against players or schools.
 
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meyers7 said:
No idea, but it wasn't because UCONN didn't support it.
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And Evina wasn't denied because Tennessee didn't support her transfer. They approved it. Didn't block it. Didn't stand in her way of leaving, and they could have because of the two upcoming games. Your own AD confirmed that Tennessee was very gracious in what they submitted to the NCAA.

They aren't, however, going to bend over backwards to help her get a waiver. It's not their job to do that. Just like UConn isn't bending over trying to get Coombs waiver granted. It's not their job. Once a player leaves, they aren't the former schools problem anymore.
 
Hi Everyone, been out for awhile, nice to be back. Here's my post on the NCAA/Westbrook from awhile ago;

CocoHusky said:
Q: Do we even know if she would be eligible next season?
A: We do not know.

Q: If not, when will we find out?
A: Here are next steps and rough timeline.
1) Evina has to be accepted by UCONN and put on scholarship. Any day now.
2) Evina will be enrolled in one or both of the Summer sessions at UCONN. (June 3 - August 16, 2019)
3) UCONN submits request for immediate eligibility on day one of Evina's enrollment-June 3rd, 2019
4) Revisions, rewrites, tweaking of the waiver request. (June- September 2019)
5) NCAA will make a final decision ~ October, 2019 based on the Jessica Shepard timeline.
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Apologies CocoHusky, I can't resist this:

5) NCAA staff member reviewing transfer waiver for student-athlete E. W. calls M.E. for guidance on waiver decision:
Staffer: I have a request fro waiver for E.W., her coach got fired and she wants another school now.
M.E.: Is she going to ND or UNC?
Staffer: Unnnh, no.
M.E.: Well that makes it tougher, but possible. It depends on the circumstances. What school does she want?
Staffer: Unnnh, you know, that one you used to work for before they pushed you out for incompetence, UConn.
M.E.: WT*! Unprintable, unprintable, NEVER! You call me about a UConn waiver again, you'll be looking for a job.
Staffer: Yes sir. Waiver denied.

If we are lucky enough that Westbrook decides to come here, and a waiver is granted, I will publicly apologize to the NCAA here on the boneyard.

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I guess that apology to the NCAA and M. E. won't be necessary, I only wish it was.
 
EricLA said:
Why does this continue to get brought up? Geno wasn't fired, Holly was. Mikayla's mom didn't get into it with crazed UCONN fans on social media, Evina's mom did. I have no idea if UCONN approached the appeal along the lines of "abuse" of some kind, but there was more to the waiver request then just "the coach was fired".

Regardless, the 2 situations aren't remotely related.
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They are similar in that one player transfers to Geno and he wants her to play now, but is denied so he yells and screams to anyone that will listen to try and get her approved, yet while one transferred away from Geno, gets denied, and he is absolutely silent about it.
 
mtsuraider06 said:
And Evina wasn't denied because Tennessee didn't support her transfer. They approved it. Didn't block it. Didn't stand in her way of leaving, and they could have because of the two upcoming games. Your own AD confirmed that Tennessee was very gracious in what they submitted to the NCAA.

They aren't, however, going to bend over backwards to help her get a waiver. It's not their job to do that. Just like UConn isn't bending over trying to get Coombs waiver granted. It's not their job. Once a player leaves, they aren't the former schools problem anymore.
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You said: "Once a player leaves, they aren't the former schools problem anymore."

Right on. Anyone ask their former employer in the working world.
 
Perhaps, Maryland didn't seek a waiver for Mimi, because they knew the reasons were invalid and to not even attempt it. Mimi seemed to understand that transferring equates to a sit out year and that she had no overriding reason that would get it waived.
 
mtsuraider06 said:
They are similar in that one player transfers to Geno and he wants her to play now, but is denied so he yells and screams to anyone that will listen to try and get her approved, yet while one transferred away from Geno, gets denied, and he is absolutely silent about it.
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That's just a silly stupid post. If you can't see the glaring differences then I have no cure for whatever ails you.
 
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Jan 23...... I surely will be putting it on my calendar now
 
mtsuraider06 said:
And Evina wasn't denied because Tennessee didn't support her transfer. They approved it. Didn't block it. Didn't stand in her way of leaving, and they could have because of the two upcoming games. Your own AD confirmed that Tennessee was very gracious in what they submitted to the NCAA.

They aren't, however, going to bend over backwards to help her get a waiver. It's not their job to do that. Just like UConn isn't bending over trying to get Coombs waiver granted. It's not their job. Once a player leaves, they aren't the former schools problem anymore.
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Stop with the bend over backwards nonsense. That has zero meaning in this context. No objection does not equal support. No objection is the minimum required; support is an affirmative statement that you want the kid to be able to play. There are schools that actually support waiver requests and that support has helped. Muffet said Nebraska’s support for Jess Sheppard’s waiver request made a difference. Would Tenn’s support have made a difference for Evina’s request? We don’t know for sure but it might have helped. It would have required nothing more than a statement of support. The fact that your AD would not do even that much is both petty and cruel.
 
EricLA said:
That's just a silly stupid post. If you can't see the glaring differences then I have no cure for whatever ails you.
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If you can't the irony of the two situations, you need to take off your blue glasses.
 
UConnCat said:
Stop with the bend over backwards nonsense. That has zero meaning in this context. No objection does not equal support. No objection is the minimum required; support is an affirmative statement that you want the kid to be able to play. There are schools that actually support waiver requests and that support has helped. Muffet said Nebraska’s support for Jess Sheppard’s waiver request made a difference. Would Tenn’s support have made a difference for Evina’s request? We don’t know for sure but it might have helped. It would have required nothing more than a statement of support. The fact that your AD would not do even that much is both petty and cruel.
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It's not Tennessee's job to help UConn. It's asinine to Geno to think they would.

Had Tennessee wanted to block her transfer, they had grounds to do so. They didn't and they have moved on.

As Evina said, Sorry Not Sorry.
 
Carnac said:
Future NCAA transfer protocol: everybody plays the next season or nobody plays. No waivers, no exceptions. :mad: Shepard gets a waiver for whatever reason (we’ll never know the reasons stated, nor should we). Her waiver was granted timely.

Westbrook left for different reasons, and was denied twice. Before Westbrook’s waiver application, I never really cared one way or the other about waiver approval or denials. That is a dynamic that in fairness to everyone needs to be remodeled.

Mistakes are made. A one time transfer can correct those mistakes. Either everyone plays the next season or no one plays. No exceptions. That’s fair for ALL across the board. Right now, everything is shrouded in secrecy.
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Supposedly, the rule is to prevent players from just arbitrarily jumping from school to school. So why don't they let everyone play immediately for their 1st transfer and if they transfer again make them sit for a year, no exceptions, no waivers. That'd let an 18 or 19 y/o decide if a school isn't right for them with no penalty. It's not fair to expect everyone to be happy entering a program that they've only been exposed to for brief recruiting visits. It's way past time the NCAA started valuing the student/athlete and not the institutions...But that'll never happen and it why the NCAA is obsolete.
 
mtsuraider06 said:
It's not Tennessee's job to help UConn. It's asinine to Geno to think they would.

Had Tennessee wanted to block her transfer, they had grounds to do so. They didn't and they have moved on.

As Evina said, Sorry Not Sorry.
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It’s not Tennessee’s job to help her, you’re right, but if she left Tennessee in good standing (which she did), it’s a jerk move not to help her be successful where she goes next. There job isn’t to help UConn be successful, but to help Evina be successful. Like I said earlier, where she transfers should have no impact on their support. To work against that (even by taking a neutral stance) shows a lot about the character of the athletic department and the program.

After the Leticia Romero debacle, no school would oppose the transfer. It’s publicity suicide to a school who, like Tennessee, is struggling to attract recruits. They may be jerks, but they’re not stupid.
 
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mtsuraider06 said:
And Evina wasn't denied because Tennessee didn't support her transfer. They approved it. Didn't block it. Didn't stand in her way of leaving, and they could have because of the two upcoming games. Your own AD confirmed that Tennessee was very gracious in what they submitted to the NCAA.

They aren't, however, going to bend over backwards to help her get a waiver. It's not their job to do that. Just like UConn isn't bending over trying to get Coombs waiver granted. It's not their job. Once a player leaves, they aren't the former schools problem anymore.
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Tennessee can't "block" Evina or anyone else from transferring anyway. That's why the whole portal is there, to ensure that anyone who really wants to transfer isn't prevented from it by the school.
 
mtsuraider06 said:
It's not Tennessee's job to help UConn. It's asinine to Geno to think they would.

Had Tennessee wanted to block her transfer, they had grounds to do so. They didn't and they have moved on.

As Evina said, Sorry Not Sorry.
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Except that it isn’t about Tennessee helping UConn, it’s about Tennessee doing the right thing for one of its former students. Sad that you and UT both thing of it as Tennessee versus UConn.
 
JonathanXIV said:
Except that it isn’t about Tennessee helping UConn, it’s about Tennessee doing the right thing for one of its former students. Sad that you and UT both thing of it as Tennessee versus UConn.
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Geno made it a Tennessee vs UConn thing when he opened his mouth. He should’ve taken his anger out on the NCAA, not Tennessee.
 
EricLA said:
That's just a silly stupid post. If you can't see the glaring differences then I have no cure for whatever ails you.
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The original post asking what is the difference between the 2 cases was absolutely stupid. I have no idea why people bother to respond to it.
 
pvdoggy said:
The original post asking what is the difference between the 2 cases was absolutely stupid. I have no idea why people bother to respond to it.
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That's a fair question LOL!
 
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