Westbeld to Notre Dame.

[Sonny44]

Good for Westbeld. I thought she would have been a great fit for the UCONN program. Everything I read about her was that she did not care about stats, but who got the W at the end of the game.

Does anyone know the story about her UCONN recruitment ? It seemed to me that we were right up there with ND, and Ohio St., then I read where one of the local writers said she was no longer in the picture. Anyone know what happened ?

I agree. I wanted her at UCONN. I saw her as a Faris type.

 

[EricSD]

Actually, Tnvolfan65, I was wrong. ND has had the better class in ALL of the last 3 years. You can count Tucker as a "Tennessee recruit", but the poor kid never made it to campus and I don't see her playing there any time soon. So I don't count her as a Tennessee player any more than UCONN fans count Elena Delle Donne as a UCONN player. You ended up with Russell (1 or 2) and Reynolds (somewhere in the mid 40's) whereas ND ended up with Reimer (5), Allen (22), Nelson (42), and Thompson (70+). I'd say that's better than 1/2 kid and the 46 or so kid.

You were the one who pointed out ND's class of 2012 was better than Tennessee's (4 vs. 5). I agree. And for 2014, Tennessee has composite #13, 25 and 63, vs #2, 20, and 39 for ND.

Tennessee fans are giddy. They think they are NC bound this year, and if not this year, for sure next year. Some on your board have talked about 3 NC's in the "Russell era". I'm glad you all are so excited. But you have not outrecruited ND the past 3 years. Not once, unless you want to count a kid who will never make it to campus.

 

[Go/huskies]

Actually, Tnvolfan65, I was wrong. ND has had the better class in ALL of the last 3 years. You can count Tucker as a "Tennessee recruit", but the poor kid never made it to campus and I don't see her playing there any time soon. So I don't count her as a Tennessee player any more than UCONN fans count Elena Delle Donne as a UCONN player. You ended up with Russell (1 or 2) and Reynolds (somewhere in the mid 40's) whereas ND ended up with Reimer (5), Allen (22), Nelson (42), and Thompson (70+). I'd say that's better than 1/2 kid and the 46 or so kid.

You were the one who pointed out ND's class of 2012 was better than Tennessee's (4 vs. 5). I agree. And for 2014, Tennessee has composite #13, 25 and 63, vs #2, 20, and 39 for ND.

Tennessee fans are giddy. They think they are NC bound this year, and if not this year, for sure next year. Some on your board have talked about 3 NC's in the "Russell era". I'm glad you all are so excited. But you have not outrecruited ND the past 3 years. Not once, unless you want to count a kid who will never make it to campus.

New here so I don't want to rub anyone the wrong way, but it seems like Eric is a little bitter that Westbeld picked Noter Dame so he decided to take a shot at Tennessee. If he really felt that Tennessee hasn't been recruiting that well and he was able to back it up then it made little since to bring Them up in the 1st place.

 

[Vowelguy]

Oh lordy, this isn't going to end well.

 

[Sonny44]

We need the season to start.

 

[meyers7]

We need the season to start.

Like yesterday.

The Horde needs to get into the practices and write some reports.

 

[UCONNfan1]

New here so I don't want to rub anyone the wrong way, but it seems like Eric is a little bitter that Westbeld picked Noter Dame so he decided to take a shot at Tennessee. If he really felt that Tennessee hasn't been recruiting that well and he was able to back it up then it made little since to bring Them up in the 1st place.

Westbeld took UCONN off her list a while ago, or vice versa. I doubt anyone in Husky nation is bitter about that. Maybe if Wilson chooses SC, or when Delle Donne chose not to come to UCONN...

 

[meyers7]

New here so I don't want to rub anyone the wrong way, but it seems like Eric is a little bitter that Westbeld picked Noter Dame so he decided to take a shot at Tennessee.

Nah, I don't he is bitter about that. We weren't expecting Westbeld anyway. She or UCONN had dropped off recruiting a few weeks ago.

And many of us on here do not need a reason to take a shot at TN. We do that for fun.

 

[Icebear]

Nah, I don't he is bitter about that. We weren't expecting Westbeld anyway. She or UCONN had dropped off recruiting a few weeks ago.

And many of us on here do not need a reason to take a shot at TN. We do that for fun.

Months ago.

 

[meyers7]

Months ago.

Well there's weeks in months.

 

[JRRRJ]

Well there's weeks in months.

Haven't been moved to post for a while, so I'll take the opportunity to note there are not months in a few weeks.

 

[tnvolfan65]

Actually, Tnvolfan65, I was wrong. ND has had the better class in ALL of the last 3 years. You can count Tucker as a "Tennessee recruit", but the poor kid never made it to campus and I don't see her playing there any time soon. So I don't count her as a Tennessee player any more than UCONN fans count Elena Delle Donne as a UCONN player. You ended up with Russell (1 or 2) and Reynolds (somewhere in the mid 40's) whereas ND ended up with Reimer (5), Allen (22), Nelson (42), and Thompson (70+). I'd say that's better than 1/2 kid and the 46 or so kid.

You were the one who pointed out ND's class of 2012 was better than Tennessee's (4 vs. 5). I agree. And for 2014, Tennessee has composite #13, 25 and 63, vs #2, 20, and 39 for ND.

Tennessee fans are giddy. They think they are NC bound this year, and if not this year, for sure next year. Some on your board have talked about 3 NC's in the "Russell era". I'm glad you all are so excited. But you have not outrecruited ND the past 3 years. Not once, unless you want to count a kid who will never make it to campus.

I pointed out that ND's class in 2012 was ranked higher by ESPN, but I disagree with that now as I did then. You haven't said anything to convince me otherwise.

And yes, Tucker's ordeal has been well documented. Unlike EDD, she didn't decide to leave school on her own accord. Tennessee won her recruitment though. It remains to be seen if she will play again.

We can agree to disagree. I didn't agree with or understand the nature of your original post, but as you said it comes from a hatred of Tennessee. I can understand that.

 

[UCONNfan1]

I pointed out that ND's class in 2012 was ranked higher by ESPN, but I disagree with that now as I did then. You haven't said anything to convince me otherwise.

And yes, Tucker's ordeal has been well documented. Unlike EDD, she didn't decide to leave school on her own accord. Tennessee won her recruitment though. It remains to be seen if she will play again.

We can agree to disagree. I didn't agree with or understand the nature of your original post, but as you said it comes from a hatred of Tennessee. I can understand that.

Boy you sure do like playing fast and loose. Where did he say "hatred"? I read dislike several times in the posts. Maybe I missed it. Keep drinking that kool aid tho!

And what's wrong with pointing out that ND has gotten the better players the last 2-3 years? No shame in that. Tennessee fans want to continue to think they are at the top of the mountain, but they still have a big climb ahead of them and of course UCONN has far surpassed them, and at this point I'd say probably Duke and ND as well.

 

[Stray Cat]

We can agree to disagree.

Regardless of how you want to spin things tnvolfan65, the facts are that the LV's have not advanced to the Final Four for FIVE consecutive seasons, and overall have clearly underachieved during this span based on the relative talent they have had on their roster.

These are the facts of the case. And they are undisputed.

 

[Icebear]

Rankings are meaningless as a measure of outcomes. They are at best like astrology wistful predictions of what might be. ND recruiting has proven to be better where it counts on the court of determination.

 

[pap49cba]

It's curious to me that coaching hasn't been mentioned in this 'recruits ranking' debate.

 

[meyers7]

Haven't been moved to post for a while, so I'll take the opportunity to note there are not months in a few weeks.

Sure there are. A few, 10-15. When your as old as me, that's a few.

 

[meyers7]

It's curious to me that coaching hasn't been mentioned in this 'recruits ranking' debate.

Or height or weight.

 

[Buzzyboy]

Exactly, I agree with you. ND has not out recruited TN, just out performed them.

Exactly. I think I would rather have someone out recruit me and then outperform them. The bottom line is winning, isn't it???

 

[Geno-ista]

Whether it's the school, the campus, Muffet, asst coaches or whomever- the reality is ND has been getting quality recruits and coaching the heck out of them! Their offense has been like looking at a mirror image of UConn. U know, ND is probably as much of a threat to us as anyone this year or more than anyone, they have undisputed quality young talent, and a terrific nucleus returning.
Gary Blair A& M teams perform at a much higher level at the end of the season than early season. Jeff Walz, Kentucky,Green Bay And Marist coaches all seam to get more out of their teams. Tenn hasn't lately. And maybe it is due to the emotional nature of the situation there.

 

[tnvolfan65]

Boy you sure do like playing fast and loose. Where did he say "hatred"? I read dislike several times in the posts. Maybe I missed it. Keep drinking that kool aid tho!

And what's wrong with pointing out that ND has gotten the better players the last 2-3 years? No shame in that. Tennessee fans want to continue to think they are at the top of the mountain, but they still have a big climb ahead of them and of course UCONN has far surpassed them, and at this point I'd say probably Duke and ND as well.

I apologize for being liberal with my phrasing.

My point remains the same. Nothing would be wrong with eric's point, if it were true.

Notre Dame hasn't out-recruited Tennessee on a regular basis, even recently until this year.

Starting in 2007, when I started following recruiting, Tennessee has had a better class than ND every year except for 2010 and presently in 2014. As I said though, if we land any of our remaining targets, we will rank higher this year as well.

To further prove my point about 2012, Tennessee had the 5th, 16th, and 22nd ranked players using the consensus rankings versus the 4th, 42nd, and 65th for Notre Dame. I don't know how or why ESPN ranked ND's class above Tenn using their own rankings, but it is even more clear looking at everyone's.

They have a higher ranked freshman class on campus now because of Tucker being held and injured by her boyfriend, but they didn't out-recruit Tennessee last year.

I'm not drinking any Kool-aid, and I haven't come on this board proclaiming we are going to win it all this year or next year or anything of the like. I'm not arguing who's program is better or against any other team's success. I was simply disagreeing with Eric, not for the first time and I'm sure not for the last.

 

[Icebear]

Again, the numbers of recruiting are superficial and meaningless. Take all the comfort you want in the recruiting numbers if that is how you want to measure recruiting. Personally, it may just mean that you ended up with a bunch of players whose intangibles were deficits when it came to taking the court and playing whereas ND recruited better and found the players with the right intangibles. Recruiting services are a craps shoot. I'll take the coach and program whose choices prove it out on the court that their recruiting was right. Clearly, given the last half decade ND's getting the better recruiting. Ignore the numbers they are only accurate in a gross sense.

 

[meyers7]

Again, the numbers of recruiting are superficial and meaningless.

But that's the only way to measure a recruiting class. After they get to college, there are too many variables. Other classes, player injuries, players staying or transferring, coaching.

 

[Icebear]

But that's the only way to measure a recruiting class. After they get to college, there are too many variables. Other classes, player injuries, players staying or transferring, coaching.

No, there is, also, trusting the eye of the real professionals, the coaches. Trusting the Genos and Muffets and the things in the players they pursue that they see as the right stuff.

 

[meyers7]

No, there is, also, trusting the eye of the real professionals, the coaches. Trusting the Genos and Muffets and the things in the players they pursue that they see as the right stuff.

But you can't measure that. Otherwise one would say UCONN and ND get the top recruiting class every year because they have the best coaches.

 

[Tonyc]

I think we're all forgetting that ND was blown out by UConn for many years until Diggins arrived. Lets see what ND does w/o Diggins this season and for the next few seasons. UConn lost to ND the past few years because ND could get to the foul line. Pre foul line games ND struggled against UConn. Remember the first game that ESPN did at Gampel a few years ago. It was a special game I forgot what they called it. ND was intimidated before they got on the floor and UConn beat them badly. Im very interested in seeing what happens this season with ND in the ACC and w/o Diggins. The core is still there but the point guard isn't. Lets just see over the next couple of years what happens.

 

[DEK1234]

I think we're all forgetting that ND was blown out by UConn for many years until Diggins arrived. Lets see what ND does w/o Diggins this season and for the next few seasons.

Not taking anything away from her/her teammates but let's not forget ND hadn't beat UConn until the FF in her sophomore year, so it wasn't instant success either.

 

[reno tony]

All of Tennessee's successes and failures have been well documented on this board. I'm not sure what that has to do with what I said.

With the classes I mentioned, we've won one National Championship, four conference tournaments, three regular season conference championships, and made it to four Elite Eights.

It has absolutely nothing to do with what you said. You should expect UCONN fans to take pot shots at UTENN whenever possible. We would expect the same in return. Part of the give and take. Let it roll off your back.

 

[Icebear]

But you can't measure that. Otherwise one would say UCONN and ND get the top recruiting class every year because they have the best coaches.

I have no problem with not being able to measure because my point is that any measuring done by services is quite weak and inconsistent. And worse yet they are biased by who they see and who they don't, whose tournaments they play in and on whose team. The real measuring comes on the court when we see what coaches can do with the talent they have assembled. ND is kicking TN's butt there. I am quite satisfied trusting Geno and his eye over those biased pseudo experts who sell their opinions.

 

[meyers7]

The real measuring comes on the court when we see what coaches can do with the talent they have assembled.

But that doesn't measure the individual recruiting class.

my point is that any measuring done by services is quite weak and inconsistent.

While possibly true (but one, vowelguy, can combine the many different services and give a pretty decent measure), that is what we have to measure the recruiting classes. And that's what we were discussing.