Went to the women's game last night...

[BoatShow]

Wow, can't we just wish both teams well? Give our women some respect. They have 8 National Championships! Geno is a great coach & get's his players to play hard every game. Kevin & Geno have a great relationship and Kevin looks to Geno for advice, just like with Calhoun. AND our men's & women's players support each other. Yeah, they are friends. Why knock our men for supporting their women friends? That's just poor taste. Sorry.... We are UConn... we support all our teams, not just in baskeball, but all sports! Grrr....

You can like either football, men's basketball, or women's basketball. NOT 2 AND CERTAINLY NOT ALL 3. THIS IS UCONN.

 

[David 76]

Wow! I expressed an opinion re enjoying the women's game and listen to the reactions. I don't understand why it makes me "holier than thou" .
If John Wooden can appreciate the women huskies for "playing the right way" I think I should be able to express that sentiment.
Also" the game"s are much more boring, your lying if you don't think so" doesn't leave space for differing opinions.

Believe it or there are people that are only fans of the women. Millions of people watch things on TV that I think are trash. Are they liars too?

Calm down guys. I really do enjoy watching them execute. Loved it against Duke. It does have its limits. But I stand with John Wooden in my appreciation of them. And it takes nothing away from my appreciation of the more physical, more athletic, above the rim game of the men.

 

[Scoe]

can't we all just route for a dual national champion, a recap of 04

 

[Adios]

It seems women's basketball is the third most popular college sport, baseball at #4 and maybe soccer or hockey at #5. Men's basketball is # and football is #1. We are dominant in 60% of those sports. That is not bad, at all. Very impressive, actually.

We are working on the other two sports. Commitment is there. Us killing gazelles regularly in the third most popular sport is not bad, really. I don't know if we'll ever be dominant in football. Winning a championship is possible (Wasington, Colorado, BYU), but not easy to reach blue-blood status.

 

[David 76]

can't we all just route for a dual national champion, a recap of 04

Yes!
It is stupid when women's fans think they could play against the men or the pre-1999 chant "Conn, where men are men and women are champions."
But I think those of you discrediting what the women have done is the mirror image of that. Sure it is easier to win 8 women's championships than 8 men's, but it is still a remarkable accomplishment that only one other team has accomplished. Twenty something consecutive years of top teams. 21 consecutive years w/o 2 consecutive losses And they weren't always the 800 lb gorilla

We have 2 great basketball programs that came from nowhere to national prominence. One does not take away from the other. Enjoy.

 

[diggerfoot]

The two comments I enjoyed most in this thread were jleve's observation that people on the Internet enjoy different things. You could go for the entertainment "thrill" of a close game, or the entertainment "artistry" of something well-executed. Both are indeed entertainment, but may not be equally so for different people. I also like fleud's comment that he enjoys the change of pace. Yes, I think it is possible for one to enjoy both.

I'm adding on something not yet expressed in this thread. I enjoy watching the women because 100% of the players give 100% effort in 100% of the games. We are not the only women's team that recruits at our level, yet the women still dismantles teams like Duke with even more Mickie Ds because of the effort. I'm old enough to remember when such "old school" effort was more prevalent in sports than it is now, and I love it.

 

[mauconnfan]

Wow, can't we just wish both teams well? Give our women some respect. They have 8 National Championships! Geno is a great coach & get's his players to play hard every game. Kevin & Geno have a great relationship and Kevin looks to Geno for advice, just like with Calhoun. AND our men's & women's players support each other. Yeah, they are friends. Why knock our men for supporting their women friends? That's just poor taste. Sorry.... We are UConn... we support all our teams, not just in baskeball, but all sports! Grrr....

You're missing the point here……mostly everyone roots for the women but to compare is ridiculous, it;s not the same game at all and 93 seems to think "perfection" is the women only….it's in the eyes of the beholder and the men's fans understand perfection could be a 24-7 season this year with competition around the corner every night……the women? outside of the Top 3 there's hardly a speed bump……if 93 wants to come here holier than thou he/she/it will be held in contempt!

 

[mauconnfan]

The two comments I enjoyed most in this thread were jleve's observation that people on the Internet enjoy different things. You could go for the entertainment "thrill" of a close game, or the entertainment "artistry" of something well-executed. Both are indeed entertainment, but may not be equally so for different people. I also like fleud's comment that he enjoys the change of pace. Yes, I think it is possible for one to enjoy both.

I'm adding on something not yet expressed in this thread. I enjoy watching the women because 100% of the players give 100% effort in 100% of the games. We are not the only women's team that recruits at our level, yet the women still dismantles teams like Duke with even more Mickie Ds because of the effort. I'm old enough to remember when such "old school" effort was more prevalent in sports than it is now, and I love it.

Go back to your board seriously you're a joke too. 100% all of the time? Relative my friend, easy to look 100% all of the time against competition who is 10% as good!! get a grip the guys play hard even when they don't look it….physicality of the 2 games are worlds apart. Go back and talk about the girls hair cuts and stuff will ya…….

 

[CTBasketball]

The two comments I enjoyed most in this thread were jleve's observation that people on the Internet enjoy different things. You could go for the entertainment "thrill" of a close game, or the entertainment "artistry" of something well-executed. Both are indeed entertainment, but may not be equally so for different people. I also like fleud's comment that he enjoys the change of pace. Yes, I think it is possible for one to enjoy both.

I'm adding on something not yet expressed in this thread. I enjoy watching the women because 100% of the players give 100% effort in 100% of the games. We are not the only women's team that recruits at our level, yet the women still dismantles teams like Duke with even more Mickie Ds because of the effort. I'm old enough to remember when such "old school" effort was more prevalent in sports than it is now, and I love it.

The women appear to be playing 100% because the people they are playing are no better than a boys 7th grade AAU program from Brattleboro, VT.

 

[mauconnfan]

The women appear to be playing 100% because the people they are playing are no better than a boys 7th grade AAU program from Brattleboro, VT.

And as someone pointed out above imagine how many titles JC may have if Ray Allen, Rip Hamilton, Caron Butler, Ben Gordon, Emeka Okafor, Charlie Villanueva, Jeremy Lamb, Kemba Walker, Rudy Gay and so many others would have stayed for 4 years?? I assume other teams would have kept good players too but these guys were cream of the crop at the next level too……..may have as many trophies despite the parity difference if this were to be apples-to-apples despite the fact our guys don't play 100%……..

 

[CL82]

I watch the women's team as well. To me it's not the outcome that sometime gets boring, it is the inability of the other team to execute. Some of that is the Husky defense, but the amount of open shots that they miss is staggering. I get that if you are struggling to cover better athletes it will take away your legs, but still...

Even when it is a blow out there are still things to watch, like the development of the bench players. I watch them regardless but I do enjoy it more when the opponent is competitive.

 

[ctchamps]

Go back to your board seriously you're a joke too. 100% all of the time? Relative my friend, easy to look 100% all of the time against competition who is 10% as good!! get a grip the guys play hard even when they don't look it….physicality of the 2 games are worlds apart. Go back and talk about the girls hair cuts and stuff will ya…….

So you focus on his 100% comment and not the comment he made about liking my post. Cheez! You got to get your priorities in order.

 

[ctchamps]

This just in - people on the Internet like different things... and the other side is wrong!

Good thing this is only a problem only on the internet.

 

[mauconnfan]

So you focus on his 100% comment and not the comment he made about liking my post. Cheez! You got to get your priorities in order.

How could I as I thought "how can he not LIKE my post"?? I admit to extreme jealousy fleudy……….water balloons aside

 

[Huskyforlife]

Our three championships were harder to earn then the woman's 8. The competition on the men's side is bananas compared to the women's side, you got uconn, nd, Stamford and that's it. You never see Cinderella's in the woman's game. Unless you count ul but you saw what we did to them in the nat. Btw I completely respect what the woman have done and continue to root for them, but the truth is they have it way easier weather there fans admit it or not.

 

[ctchamps]

I watch the women's team as well. To me it's not the outcome that sometime gets boring, it is the inability of the other team to execute. Some of that is the Husky defense, but the amount of open shots that they miss is staggering. I get that if you are struggling to cover better athletes it will take away your legs, but still...

Even when it is a blow out there are still things to watch, like the development of the bench players. I watch them regardless but I do enjoy it more when the opponent is competitive.

If we want to we can make anything good or bad. jleves is succinctly correct about behavior. We all see the world differently and we all love to argue that our way of seeing things is the right way.

Someone might watch a kid with cerebral palsy in an event in the special olympics and marvel at that kid's performance. They may even wonder if that performance is more spectacular than that of a top athlete when scaled to an individuals attributes. Another person may be unable to watch because the struggling bothers them. Still another may not want to spend time viewing this performance because it is so inferior in their minds to healthy people.

Some people switch. They may have had some negative feeling towards the physical nature of a person with cerebral palsy in the past, have a child with this condition, and faced with the close interaction of this child, come to appreciate the special olympics in a different light. And then there are some who can't change even when presented with this situation.

We categorize, emphasize, and value things differently from one another. Some of us understand the subjective nature of how we view and understand things and some of us think we are gods.

 

[mauconnfan]

If we want to we can make anything good or bad. jleves is succinctly correct about behavior. We all see the world differently and we all love to argue that our way of seeing things is the right way.

Someone might watch a kid with cerebral palsy in an event in the special olympics and marvel at that kid's performance. They may even wonder if that performance is more spectacular than that of a top athlete when scaled to an individuals attributes. Another person may be unable to watch because the struggling bothers them. Still another may not want to spend time viewing this performance because it is so inferior in their minds to healthy people.

Some people switch. They may have had some negative feeling towards the physical nature of a person with cerebral palsy in the past, have a child with this condition, and faced with the close interaction of this child, come to appreciate the special olympics in a different light. And then there are some who can't change even when presented with this situation.

We categorize, emphasize, and value things differently from one another. Some of us understand the subjective nature of how we view and understand things and some of us think we are gods.

Voice of reason? Nice………a little too though!

 

[jleves]

Good thing this is only a problem only on the internet.

Actually, it is an Internet problem because people are way more polarized and confrontational on the net. When is the last time you've witnessed a face to face conversation where things like 'idiot', '', 'you're too stupid to have a conversation with', 'you have don't have the ability to grasp a concept', etc are used? Granted we're a lot less likely to hang out with or have conversations with people we don't like, but on the net, people get to extremes a lot faster and with the anonymity of the keyboard, say things they probably never would face to face with the same person.

Unfortunately the people reading this thread are just stupid s who aren't smart enough to understand that I am right and they are wrong.

 

[caw]

You want the men to he as dominant as the women? No problem. Just go out and sign four of the top eight national recruits..... every year.

Key part missing here is "and keep them for four years". That is why UConn is so good. Well part of it. You also have to factor in having the greatest coach (maybe arguable) in women's basketball history.

As to the aesthetic of the game. There are lots of factors as to why it's more appealing when played at a high level.

The court and basket are the same dimensions but the defense covers less ground both on the court and vertically and the basketball is smaller. It makes running cuts easier, not to mention shooting. Geno wouldn't be able to get away with half the plays he calls on the men's side (though I'm sure he would adjust).

 

[David 76]

Mau & CT, I see you guys comparing. I'm not. Just like the OP shouldn't be judged for finding the game boring, you shouldn't attack the people that do enjoy it. Geno reached more victories in an easier venue. Calhoun's climb to 3 champions was a harder climb. No doubt. But that is not the point.
The point is some of us enjoy the women's game more than others. It's not a knock to the men and it doesn't mean we are deluded.
Both accomplishments are amazing

 

[DW4UCONN]

Our three championships were harder to earn then the woman's 8. The competition on the men's side is bananas compared to the women's side, you got uconn, nd, Stamford and that's it. You never see Cinderella's in the woman's game. Unless you count ul but you saw what we did to them in the nat. Btw I completely respect what the woman have done and continue to root for them, but the truth is they have it way easier weather there fans admit it or not.

That Louisville team was a lot of fun to watch. That was classic overachieving at its best and made for great basketball entertainment. These posters who appreciate 100% effort and perfect execution at all times most likely wouldn't understand or appreciate that kind of effort. It would really suck for these spoiled fans if Uconn had to scrape out wins that way. It was however a relief to watch Uconn tear Louisville apart with perfect execution and 100% effort. Any result other than a blowout would have occurred only had there been a Uconn letdown.

What really puzzles me is how 10 posters could give a "like" to Uconn93's immature attack on a poster sharing an honest and innocuous opinion? I'd really like to understand it. Perhaps if I could understand their reasoning, I'd be able to reconcile my opinion that maintaining some sort of decorum on this site is amiss.

 

[ctchamps]

Actually, it is an Internet problem because people are way more polarized and confrontational on the net. When is the last time you've witnessed a face to face conversation where things like 'idiot', '', 'you're too stupid to have a conversation with', 'you have don't have the ability to grasp a concept', etc are used? Granted we're a lot less likely to hang out with or have conversations with people we don't like, but on the net, people get to extremes a lot faster and with the anonymity of the keyboard, say things they probably never would face to face with the same person.

Unfortunately the people reading this thread are just stupid s who aren't smart enough to understand that I am right and they are wrong.

I agree with you anonymity allows people to express themselves in a manner that many prefer to avoid when they are observed. My comment didn't debate that. People are more subtle in how they demonstrate their rightness and the other guys wrongness outside the net. The internet exposes what many of us really think when we believe no on is observing us.

A repressive society has less debate than a freer society. The protocols of behavior are severely limited. But even in "freer" societies there are protocols of behavior. When people disagree with one another, they work within the protocols to win their arguments. The idea that one uses a legal system to win a case as opposed to decking someone or calling them an is just a variation of methods to advocate from one's perspective of rightness.

My statement was made to point out that outside the internet people like different things and think the other side is wrong even if they don't express it directly. There are a lot of individual vs. individual, individual vs. group, and group vs. group conflicts that we see everyday that do not have their origins on the internet.

 

[ctchamps]

That Louisville team was a lot of fun to watch. That was classic overachieving at its best and made for great basketball entertainment. These posters who appreciate 100% effort and perfect execution at all times most likely wouldn't understand or appreciate that kind of effort. It would really suck for these spoiled fans if Uconn had to scrape out wins that way. It was however a relief to watch Uconn tear Louisville apart with perfect execution and 100% effort. Any result other than a blowout would have occurred only had there been a Uconn letdown.

What really puzzles me is how 10 posters could give a "like" to Uconn93's immature attack on a poster sharing an honest and innocuous opinion? I'd really like to understand it. Perhaps if I could understand their reasoning, I'd be able to reconcile my opinion that maintaining some sort of decorum on this site is amiss.

They didn't put as much weight to his statement being inflammatory as you and others have done. They put more weight on his expression of value Geno and the women's basket ball team contributes to UConn. So they rallied behind a guy that supports their set of thinking.

Could he have stated his opinion with less derision. Certainly. But so can most of us at one time or another including you who felt the need to make the statement "These posters who appreciate 100% effort and perfect execution at all times most likely wouldn't understand or appreciate that kind of effort. It would really suck for these spoiled fans if Uconn had to scrape out wins that way." This is an inflammatory statement quite similar to the one made by 93.

Both are statements of frustration made in reaction to how something is expressed. And both intend to put down a point of view that there is disagreement with.

 

[DW4UCONN]

I am not putting anyone down and my post is in no way comparable to the inflammatory post made by 93. There is nothing wrong with being spoiled by winning and appreciating great effort and perfect execution. I do agree that I am guilty of laying on the sarcasm a bit too thick. That was BS and I apologize. I realize these posters are expressing their approval for 93's opinion despite his delivery. However, it still doesn't explain why someone would give a like to a post, although an agreeable opinion, was executed in an unnecessary demeaning way. I don't understand posters condoning this kind of behavior.

I will now step down from my pedestal and STFU. I imagine most will appreciate that ...

 

[uconnfan68]

It isn't a matter of not rooting for them to win going away, but wanting a little competition more frequently isn't the same as not liking them being the best in so many years. I think the coach feels the same way. Competitors like to know that they can throttle really good opposition. The fact is, if you notice the women's game in general, UConn and ND this year are the only 2 teams that are so dominant just about every night. There is a fair amount of balance in the game. UConn had years when some decent but not great teams gave them a good game or once in a great while even beat them. Unlike the men's team, you can probably name every game the women lost in the last 15 years because there have been so few. Is watching the women's games more relaxing than the men's? No contest. But it is kind of cool when you know the men have to be much more close to perfect on each possession compared to the women in order to win a lot of games, but that the oppositon usually makes perfection difficult. What's unusual about our women's program is that in years when UConn is extremely good, they are head and shoulders better than just about everyone. A decent number of times when the very good UConn teams haven't won an NC is because we've lost key players to injury. This year's team is scary because, as relatively thin in numbers as the team is, they've scarcely missed a beat when key players are out or struggling, which is a trubute to their talent, how competitive they are, and how well coached they are.

The men give me agita every game (although the Temple game was good), and the women hardly ever. I want all UConn teams to be as successful as the women's basketball team, every year, every game. Screw the rest of the world.