Weight room

[JMick]

When athletes are trying to gain mass and weight don't they normally schedule this activity in the off season vs during regular in season training?
This then would also require the training and monitoring of the workouts and diet to reach the plan, correct? So for football this would be in the spring and
basketball in the summer I would guess?

Most D1 athlete's are pretty much on campus all year round outside of the odd week or two.

 

[jibsey]

For anyone who thinks a summer of weight training with Brimah and Facey are going to produce the Rock I've got a nice little bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. The 3 summers before didn't produce it so why would it nagically happen this summer?

 

[JMick]

For anyone who thinks a summer of weight training with Brimah and Facey are going to produce the Rock I've got a nice little bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. The 3 summers before didn't produce it so why would it nagically happen this summer?

Nail meet hammer. Couldn't agree more. I am honestly shocked that the two of them have not gotten measurably bigger over three years, and I see no reason for them to get measurably bigger this season outside of working with Balis for the next 7 months. People can say all they want, but something is amiss in our weight training program or nutrition program. There is no reason Facey shouldn't be 235-240lbs right now. If you go by listed measurements, Facey has gained 27lbs in 3 years. That's absolutely terrible for a guy that came in at 6'8" 190.

 

[huskyharry]

So you are cherry picking a few people you knew, and one player, and saying that disproves the point? Young Reggie Miller or Tayshaun Prince are closer to our guys bulk than Barnes. Why didn't they fill out early too? Did they not put in the work? And how many of your marines were 7' tall? I'm willing to bet none. It's way, way, way harder to stack on weight and muscle in that type of frame. The amount of calories required alone is staggering, not even taking into account the ridiculous conditioning.

Barnes got older, his metabolism slowed, his body allowing him to pick up weight. And he's a professional who spends all of his time, when not beating up Derek Fisher, training. He's got access to the best nutrition and supplements (potentially drugs) on the planet. The best trainers, cooks, equipment, etc. It's a 24/7 job. It's not for these kids.

I'm not saying it's not possible, but certain guys have way more potential than others. Both Facey and Brimah have put on some weight since they got here; it's just they didn't start with much at all and therefore doesn't show. And unfortunately, running up and down the court 7 days a week for 6 months a year burns a lot off. Coupled with classes/studying instead of 24/7 training....a tall thin rail is at a real disadvantage.

I never said I was cherry picking a few people I knew.
I was the Senior Medical Officer for 2500 Marines and sailors and my observations are the observations of a physician, who also saw them in the gym daily. None were 6'9" to 6'11" but several were in the 6'3"-6'6". All were also required to do a lot of cardiovascular work in temperatures up to 120.
But since you are fart ing in my general direction, I must acknowledge you as the expert here ; )

I would also point at that the slug Marines who did as little as they could made no appreciable improvement.
Being an ectomorph body type is certainly a disadvantage, but effort is very important as well.

 

[mauconnfan]

Facey and Brimah are plenty "strong" to work the inside even at a weight disadvantage. If you watch closely they never hit first and are always late reacting to find their guy to box, as well as never holding a sturdy base with their legs. I realize a DeBerry is a load for these guys but he is for most, but if you are thinking the game and reacting timely you can still box out and beat people to the ball. While I would love to see more weight on them I would prefer some more numbers on their basketball IQ's.

 

[Mr. Hand]

Facey and Brimah are plenty "strong" to work the inside even at a weight disadvantage. If you watch closely they never hit first and are always late reacting to find their guy to box, as well as never holding a sturdy base with their legs. I realize a DeBerry is a load for these guys but he is for most, but if you are thinking the game and reacting timely you can still box out and beat people to the ball. While I would love to see more weight on them I would prefer some more numbers on their basketball IQ's.

I agree with this.

Weight and muscle obviously helps, but in the case of our bigs, improvement in awareness and fundamentals would show much greater dividends.

 

[jibsey]

No you are right it's a dual problem maybe even 3 pronged, weight and strength, basketball IQ, hands. Other than that all's well. My question, will Enoch and the new recruits be enough?

 

[Chief00]

I know this may surprise some coming from me - but Stewie is another example - she came in as a Freshwoman pretty skinny and weak and the last two years she has functional strength - her body definitely is noticeably bigger and stronger and you can also see it in contested rebounds and post plays - her strength now is an asset not a liability.

With the men since Travis came - I just don't see that progress. I really think they need to reexamine some of his stubborn academic theories about the field and how they apply to basketball. While conditioning and flexibility are important - pure explosive strength and size matters too. At this point I would prefer implementing some theories of the football strength guy.
After the KU game KO seemed for the first time to be publicly admitting it's an issue. Travis was a hire of his so he is very invested in him but that's what leadership is all about - establishing a vision and goals - and identifying and correcting problem that obstruct the path to success.

 

[Rocktheworld]

Yeah forget all that new-fangled training. Back to what works:

 

[Chief00]

Last year, I deployed to the Middle East with a Marine unit. We had several Marines who started the deployment with Facey-type physiques and had no illicit PEDs....only protein powder type stuff, but hit the weight room everyday. By the end of 7 months they looked more like Omar Calhoun-physiques.
Matt Barnes was a string bean in college and does not look like a body builder either but he gained the strength he needed and never gets pushed around the way our guys were this season.
I'm really pulling for our guys, but they need to put in the work to get the results!

Right on target! Thanks for doing what you do. We appreciate it in this troubled World.

 

[jibsey]

How would it be possible with our new multimillion dollar basketball center and top flight training facility, and each player having a personalized program maximized to focus on their weaknesses, to not be doing the weight training and supplements correctly? I can not imagine that these guys go in there and just lift like they are at LAFitness. Everything in our program is first class and our trainer is not?

 

[dennismenace]

How would it be possible with our new multimillion dollar basketball center and top flight training facility, and each player having a personalized program maximized to focus on their weaknesses, to not be doing the weight training and supplements correctly? I can not imagine that these guys go in there and just lift like they are at LAFitness. Everything in our program is first class and our trainer is not?

Who knows? I would think a lot has to do with the philosophy and methods of the S and C coach. I've noticed that our bigs are great at running the fast break (Brimah, Facey) but is that what you want in bigs? We can't know this because we don't have access to plans and adherence to it. To simply say more weight lifting leads to injuries is an oversimplification. Injuries come from improper weight training.
It is not unreasonable to set goals for nutrition (how many chicken breasts, eggs etc as well as prescribed exercises ) and monitor them on a daily basis (computer based).