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Week 3

Bone Dog said:
Fournier seemed like a world-beater coming out of high school. She was the go-to player on her team and handled it well. But she hasn’t translated well to the D1 pace of play. Some of it may just be that she’s a slow-footed slender big matching up now against bigger quicker bigs. But I have to wonder if something’s also going wrong in practice.
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Fournier was the ACC Rookie of the Year and first team All ACC last season. Some of you make the most hyperbolic hot takes in order to make a point.
 
Bone Dog said:
Fournier seemed like a world-beater coming out of high school. She was the go-to player on her team and handled it well. But she hasn’t translated well to the D1 pace of play. Some of it may just be that she’s a slow-footed slender big matching up now against bigger quicker bigs. But I have to wonder if something’s also going wrong in practice.
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Huh?? She was the leading scorer for Duke last year and made 1st team all ACC. A big part of her problem is free throws. I also just don't think Lawson can coach an offense. She needs to get someone with an offensive mind
 
Zediker didn’t play for Creighton. I hope her issue isn’t serious. It is going to be a long year for the Blue Jays. She seems like a bright spot. It will be a bummer if she misses a significant amount of time.
 
sivad40 said:
Fournier was the ACC Rookie of the Year and first team All ACC last season.
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Geew1992 said:
She was the leading scorer for Duke last year and made 1st team all ACC
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Both very true. I’m just saying what I see. She was the leading scorer on an offense-challenged team. Coming out of high school, I expected at least that much and was surprised that she sometimes seemed like a role player instead of the primary pillar of the team. That’s not her fault and I also wonder about what Lawson is doing with her. To my eye, she’s a talent that isn’t being allowed to develop.
 
Bone Dog said:
Both very true. I’m just saying what I see. She was the leading scorer on an offense-challenged team. Coming out of high school, I expected at least that much and was surprised that she sometimes seemed like a role player instead of the primary pillar of the team. That’s not her fault and I also wonder about what Lawson is doing with her. To my eye, she’s a talent that isn’t being allowed to develop.
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That's possible, however development is a two-way street. For all we know, Coach Lawson and the staff are putting in the time and the effort isn't being reciprocated.

It's also possible that she's hitting a bit of a wall and has to work through things adjusting as a sophomore against teams who know more about her playing style compared to her freshman season. We saw something similar happen with Day-Wilson from her freshman season to sophomore season. Question is how Fournier adjusts as the season progresses.
 
cancontent said:
That's possible, however development is a two-way street. For all we know, Coach Lawson and the staff are putting in the time and the effort isn't being reciprocated.

It's also possible that she's hitting a bit of a wall and has to work through things adjusting as a sophomore against teams who know more about her playing style compared to her freshman season. We saw something similar happen with Day-Wilson from her freshman season to sophomore season. Question is how Fournier adjusts as the season progresses.
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I think you must be right. There is probably something happening behind the scenes with Toby. Whatever the explanation, I hope she works through it soon enough. That said, I don’t see Day-Wilson as a comparable case. She seemed like someone who was overmanaged by people outside whatever team she was on.
 
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cancontent said:
It wasn't talked about in detail, however it was noted in a couple posts on page 2 of this thread.
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It's so easy to get behind with the volume of games. This is a great time of year.

At 6:00 p.m. here in Arizona an addition to the Marquee game I'll be able to watch, listen to NAU versus Arizona
 
Bone Dog said:
I think you must be right. There is probably something happening behind the scenes with Toby. Whatever the explanation, I hope she works through it soon enough. That said, I don’t see Day-Wilson as a comparable case. She seemed like someone who was overmanaged by people outside whatever team she was on.
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There was a regression regardless. In my opinion, if she allowed external parties to influence her, that impacted her development as it would indicate that she wasn't all in with what Coach Lawson and the staff had planned for her.

For all we know maybe being being over managed by outside parties is part of the Fournier situation right now. With the season barely a month old, I'm waiting for conference play and more ranked team match ups before thinking Fournier doesn't have it.
 
There seem to be a lot of problems with Duke at the moment. Like a few other 'yarders, I was at the USF-Duke game last night. Here are some observations:

1. Duke took a while to come out of the locker room prior to tip-off and again at halftime. During warm-up drills, the team looked very focused and intense.

2. Fournier uses a shot-put motion to shoot lay-ups, both in warm-ups and in games. No wrist movement whatsoever. Very odd. She seems very uncomfortable at the free throw line, where she does use a lot of wrist action to spin the ball towards the basket. Incredibly long arms and big hands.

3. Delaney Thomas is a beautiful basketball player to watch operate around the basket. Very efficient. Why she doesn't get more touches every game is perplexing. 3 for 3 last night and almost 76% on the season after six games.

4. Jadyn Donovan - what the heck is going on with her? This is a 6'0 starting guard in the ACC who has never attempted a three point shot in her entire college career! Why is she starting - heck why is she averaging 24 minutes a game? Last night the USF defenders completely left her alone - with or without the ball - when she was within two feet of the arc! This allowed the Bulls to collapse their defense anytime Donovan was on the court.

5. The Duke backcourt - nay the entire team - provided no three point threat whatsoever. Not only 4 for 17 the entire game, but only one made three point FG in the first three quarters. The undersized Bulls simply collapsed their defense until Duke could prove they could actually shoot from distance, which only happened when the Bulls were up 21 midway through the fourth.

6. Fuel for the "What-the-Heck-is-Kara-Doing" lynch mob: The refs immediately started off the game calling what appeared to be touch fouls. Okay, so everyone simply adjusts, right? Not so for Duke. Fournier is called for the first foul of the game 77 seconds into the first quarter and is immediately benched for Arianna Roberson, and does not return to the game for almost five minutes. The second Duke fouls goes against Delaney Thomas 47 seconds later and she is immediately replaced by Jordan Wood and does not come back for the rest of the quarter. Roberson (Fournier's sub) commits the third Duke foul 48 seconds after that and is immediately pulled for Riley Nelson and also is also benched for the remainder of the quarter. Brings back recollections of Pat Summit's tough love style at Tennessee.

7. Jose Fernandez attended the game to scout Duke players for possible WNBA draft selections (this is what he told Bull's radio and USF's beat writers last week). He left the arena midway through the fourth quarter with the Bulls up 20. BTW, he says he will also be in attendance for the UConn and South Carolina games in December.

8. This is a much different USF team than the last few years. This year USF plays at a fast pace the entire game and their offense runs through their guards. Their "bigs" are quite undersized, but play tough. Scheduling UCLA, Duke, UConn, South Carolina and Vanderbilt will certainly get them ready for their American Conference schedule.
 
Relaxed Chill GIF


Two back-to-back games between ranked teams on a Friday night........yesssssssssss.
 
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Umass rolling over BC 55-39 in 4th
Minutiae still undefeated

Penn st Princeton tight in q2

Pitt getting lit up by Robert Morris 34-17
 
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Kentucky-Louisville is an entertaining game. Cats by 2 at the half. Roberts is going off for the Ville w/ 19. Morgan has been mostly a play maker this year but she's getting her scoring going today for UK.
 
Princeton and Penn St. are having quite a shoot out. 99-91 in the closing moments.

edit-100-93 final Princeton wins
 
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The game between Michigan and Syracuse could be interesting with Phelia facing her former team. Looks to be having a decent start to the season, which is great to see after being out last season dealing with an eye issue.

Had she stayed, I think that roster could have gone further in the tournament. Especially from a defensive perspective. Having her along with Swords, Olsen and Holloway would have given Coach Barnes-Arico a pretty aggressive group to use to pressure guards.
 
Kentucky went up 18 in Q3. Louisville has gotten it back down to 8 several times, but running out of time. Strack/Key are a real nice front court combo, but Tonie Morgan has been the real difference in this game. Roberts went quiet in the 2nd half, but Ziegler has been really good for Louisville.

edit--72-62 final


Louisville owned this series for years, but it's looking different w/ Brooks at UK; first road win in the series for the Cats in a very long time
 
nwhoopfan said:
Kentucky went up 18 in Q3. Louisville has gotten it back down to 8 several times, but running out of time. Strack/Key are a real nice front court combo, but Tonie Morgan has been the real difference in this game. Roberts went quiet in the 2nd half, but Ziegler has been really good for Louisville.

edit--72-62 final


Louisville owned this series for years, but it's looking different w/ Brooks at UK; first road win in the series for the Cats in a very long time
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Another ACC loss.
Had ND not pulled it out yesterday , woulda been abysmal showing so far
 
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