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We are Down to Four (4) 2013 Prospects! Where are My Meds?

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doggydaddy said:
I guess it depends on what "so-so" means.

And I'd ask you to look at the last two Taursai seasons and see how Stewart, Tuck and Jefferson along with 2 so-so players would match up with thse NC teams.
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Yeah, it depends on "so-so." Diana had far better than so-so talent as a supporting cast. We won those 2 years obviously, but the games were close. I prefer something like the 2009 team that was head and shoulders better than all others rather than a team that is about even with 3-4 others. Some of us are looking not just to be competitive, but to be the clear favorite--with as large a margin for error as possible. The 2012 kids give us a big step in that direction. To maintain that edge, we need continued good recruiting, though obviously not necessarily at the level of 2012.
 
Obviously when the 2012 recruits are seniors the well is not going to be dry. I'll take any bets right now that UCONN will have other outstanding players on that team. UCONN has been an elite team since I believe 1994, the year before they won their first National Championship. I don't see any indication that this is going to change. Geno will probably be the coach for the next five to ten years so I'm confident that UCONN will remain very, very good.
 
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alexrgct said:
How good did the 2002 and 2008 classes look coming in? Stuff happens. We have every reason to be optimistic about the six kids who project to be on the roster in 2014-15, but three of those kids haven't yet played a minute of college ball, Banks has not proven yet that she can be a consistent contributor, Kiah has all the potential in the world but needs to improve steadily to be a championship-caliber starting post by 2014-15, and even KML, who's got a ton of star power already, has a ways to go herself. Injuries, attrition, and kids simply not being as good as we thought they'd be out of high school are all simply things that are par for the course. Even if all six kids are as good as we hope they'll be, you're still treading on very thin ice without significant contributions from the next two classes.

It's not like you have to go that far back in the past to see this. From the ostensibly great 2008 class, you had one defection, one very, very good but not great player, one oft-injured player, and one kid who never really blossomed into what she was expected to become. UConn then followed that class up with a one-player class in 2009. The lack of depth and the reliance on underclassmen came with a price. It's a price many programs would aspire to pay, to be sure, but if we're talking championships, especially multiple championships, you cannot have lost recruiting classes. If Breanna, Moriah, and KML turn into Tina, Renee, and Maya? Then it almost doesn't matter who else is on the team. But until that kind of development becomes a reality, you need more pieces.
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Of course stuff happens. But you have to keep a few things in mind. First of all, as you yourself have pointed out, the top five to seven in every class tend to be at a different level than the rest of the class. And all three of the incoming freshmen are in that tier. Further, over the last seven or eight years, players rated 98 by Hoopgurlz have a great track record of becoming dominant players. We have two of those coming in. So, I don't think the comparison with 2002 and 2008 works. This class may not be deep but I think the odds that at least two of them are going to be very special players is high.

Beyond that, if, in any given year, your team's prospects are leaps and bounds better than any team in the country (which I think you have to concede UConn's 2014-15 prospects are), and you're still worried, I humbly suggest you're setting the bar too high. Stuff happens, and UConn is hardly a lock to win the championship that year, but the chances are about as high as you could ever reasonably expect two plus years out.

Finally, I would note that you and I seem to disagree on Kiah. I think she was one of the top five freshman in the country. Yes, she could be more consistent, but in my mind she is extremely close to being a championship caliber starting post right now. You obviously had a different opinion and I respect that.
 
this is a great thread, one out of every 10 messages are about 2013 recruits

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John Glass said:
this is a great thread, one out of every 10 messages are about 2013 recruits

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You said "We are, along with Baylor/Stanford, the only elite schools without a ranked 2013 commit."

Not true. Not even close.

As I noted and you didn't reply -

Top twenty from last year

Baylor - zero
ND - 4,21,33
Stanford- zero
UConn - zero
Maryland - 55
Duke - 26
Tennessee - zero
Kentucky - zero
Penn State - zero
Georgia Tech - zero
Miami - zero
Texas A&M - zero
Green Bay - zero
Delaware - zero
St. Johns - zero
Louisville - 51
GTown - zero
Purdue - zero
Gonzoga - zero
Georgia - zero

Unranked UNC has 3,7,15,17,30.​
 
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I'm worried that we will end up with a good recruiting class. A poor one would be better. Then, the following year, the top recruits will flock to Uconn because they will get oodles of playing time.
 
doggydaddy said:
You said "We are, along with Baylor/Stanford, the only elite schools without a ranked 2013 commit."​
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Not true. Not even close.​
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As I noted and you didn't reply -​

Unranked UNC has 3,7,15,17,30.​
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WTH are you talking about ?
 
John Glass said:
WTH are you talking about ?
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He said "We are, along with Baylor/Stanford, the only elite schools without a ranked 2013 commit."
So I listed last years top 20 and their recruits for 2013. It clearly showed that it's not just UConn Baylor and Stanford that haven't signed ranked 2013 recruits.

I added UNC as they were elite in the past even though not top 25 last year. I listed the rankings of their verbals for 2013.

Hope that helps clear up your confusion.
 
Bestiarius said:
I'm worried that we will end up with a good recruiting class. A poor one would be better. Then, the following year, the top recruits will flock to Uconn because they will get oodles of playing time.
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What is the matter with you? The goal of UCONN is to have balanced, but good if not great recruiting classes every year. This is how a team remains on top of the pile.
 
doggydaddy said:
He said "We are, along with Baylor/Stanford, the only elite schools without a ranked 2013 commit."
So I listed last years top 20 and their recruits for 2013. It clearly showed that it's not just UConn Baylor and Stanford that haven't signed ranked 2013 recruits.

I added UNC as they were elite in the past even though not top 25 last year. I listed the rankings of their verbals for 2013.

Hope that helps clear up your confusion.
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Clarification is needed here.

The quote you referenced is flat-out wrong.

John Glass was quoating the original poster, namely me.

As a further clarification, my intent was to focus on the so-called top tier programs.

Duke, for example, would be a 2nd tier program for the purposes of this discussion.

(Programs ranked from 5 - 10 would be considered second tier, again for the purposes of this discussion.)

Peace,

John Fryer
 
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John Fryer said:
Clarification is needed here.

The quote you referenced is flat-out wrong.

John Glass was quoating the original poster, namely me.

As a further clarification, my intent was to focus on the so-called top tier programs.

Duke, for example, would be a 2nd tier program for the purposes of this discussion.

(Programs ranked from 5 - 10 would be considered second tier, again for the purposes of this discussion.)

Peace,

John Fryer
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The quote I referenced is exactly what you posted. I cut and pasted it.

I'm glad you are clarifying because it's apparent that your original statement is not what you meant.

So, you mean the top tier programs. Can you tell me who they are and what top recruits they have committements from? Because I still think your statement, even in that light, is bull.

Maybe you DID take your meds and it's effecting your posting abilities to make sense.
 
Top tier programs? Not sure what the criteria is but here is a look at Final Four appearances in the last 10 years. One could argue that there are really only 4 elite programs in the past 10 years, those being the ones that were in 50% of the Final Fours. Only three teams (UCONN, Tennessee and Baylor) have multiple titles and only two other universities (MD and TAMU) have even won a championship in the past 10 years other than those three.

Can Notre Dame really be considered an elite program at this point? Do two Final Fours and no titles put you in the category? Not in my book. UNC is not really an elite program in my book at this point, but will be again soon, I suspect. Stanford has not titles but is obviously elite. The jury is still out on Tennessee's future status as an elite program.

Final Four Appearances in the Last Ten Years
UCONN - 7
Stanford -5
Tennessee - 5
LSU - 5
Baylor - 3
Notre Dame - 2
North Carolina - 2
Duke - 2
Oklahoma - 2
Rutgers - 1
MD - 1
Minnesota - 1
Texas - 1
Louisville - 1
TAMU - 1
Michigan State - 1
 
Jim Fuller - link

Would Taya Reimer have honored her commitment if Geno had accepted it in her sophomore year or would she still be going to ND? Hard to say. I do understand Geno's reluctance to accept verbals from Sophomores as it hasn't always worked out.
 
Wbbfan1 said:
Jim Fuller - link

Would Taya Reimer have honored her commitment if Geno had accepted it in her sophomore year or would she still be going to ND? Hard to say. I do understand Geno's reluctance to accept verbals from Sophomores as it hasn't always worked out.
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Don't care at all about Reimer.. Lots of interesting stuff in that article about 2013 and 2014 actual targets.
 
Some intreating new info.

I like Erica McCall. She seems to have a good handle on things.

Ekmark sounds fairly close to deciding. She sounds like a taller version of Mel Thomas to me. I like that too.

Both Erica and Courtney are daughters of coaches.
 
Wbbfan1 said:
Jim Fuller - link
Would Taya Reimer have honored her commitment if Geno had accepted it in her sophomore year
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Dunno. But I do know some poster from San Diego responded "Bull!" when I made reference to this case not long ago.

That should convince him to believe every last thing I say.

Make it easier to slip more of my lies past him.
 
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JS said:
Dunno. But I do know some poster from San Diego responded "Bull!" when I made reference to this case not long ago.

That should convince him to believe every last thing I say.

Make it easier to slip more of my lies past him.
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who me???!!! I DO believe in spooks - I do I do I do I do!!!
 
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