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Whether He said it or not. Probably all of us have had that moment when our honesty overtakes our tact. All I know about the situation is the lady seemed very nice. I like her. I wish her well. I am thrilled we have 3 tremendous freshmen. I would always like to have 3 members of each class. Let's get on with the season.
 
HoopsFan21 said:
Yes shocking to hear him say it like that, and it made me wonder if there were others he felt that way about. Maybe it was the wine talking.
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Did you actually hear it?
 
Woof 101 said:
scubadog, as for innuendos and what was seen or heard according to people here...I realize you are a new member as of Tuesday and I welcome you as I am sure many will. :) Having said that do realize there are several here that cover the team better than most beat writers. You can scroll back through the archives and quickly see who they are. You are not going to find much innuendo here. If they said Geno said it that is because they were standing there and heard it. As for the video that has been removed I am sure it can be found as it must have been forwarded to some. It was a great contribution by a very devoted fan, obviously underappreciated by the powers that be.
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First of all , I've watched this board for years. Worked for the University. You obviously misinterpreted my statement. If Geno was big enough to rant in the first place , thus opening up the controversy himself, then why did they take the video down? Personally , I have noticed changes in Geno the last couple of years. Maybe Geno is getting just a little too much attention. Regardless of the situation or reason , why even speak about it in public ? These are young student athletes . Some make mistakes. Coaches make mistakes, even though most people on this board put Geno on the " perfect" pedestal. In my mind, iy was taken down , because Geno doesn't really want to explain himself. So why say anything in the first place. Stupid on his part !
 
scubadog said:
First of all , I've watched this board for years. Worked for the University. You obviously misinterpreted my statement. If Geno was big enough to rant in the first place , thus opening up the controversy himself, then why did they take the video down? Personally , I have noticed changes in Geno the last couple of years. Maybe Geno is getting just a little too much attention. Regardless of the situation or reason , why even speak about it in public ? These are young student athletes . Some make mistakes. Coaches make mistakes, even though most people on this board put Geno on the " perfect" pedestal. In my mind, iy was taken down , because Geno doesn't really want to explain himself. So why say anything in the first place. Stupid on his part !
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Because they is not him. "They" are the people who moderate this board. In the moderators judgement the content was removed. You and other posters have assumed, stated or implied that the video was taken down at the request of the school or Geno himself. If you turn that into a question of the moderators the answer might surprise you but it would definitely put you on much more solid footing. Geno made the comments and I bet you he would stand up to those comments, if asked. If you have been watching for as long as you claim you would realized that Geno doesn't give a mosquito's behind about what goes on the BY-thank God. I'm with you on the "perfect" pedestal ( there shouldn't be one) but when you say "Maybe Geno is getting just a little too much attention" you confuse me. Really, "too much attention" caused Geno to say that?
 
@CocoHusky Danny was talking about the original post, not this one :

He made the statement. I watched the cellphone video yesterday before it was taken down, and I heard it. (You may have noticed that an entire thread discussing the video and linking to it, that had about 30 posts as of late Sunday afternoon, has also been deleted from this forum.)
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scubadog said:
First of all , I've watched this board for years. Worked for the University. You obviously misinterpreted my statement. If Geno was big enough to rant in the first place , thus opening up the controversy himself, then why did they take the video down? Personally , I have noticed changes in Geno the last couple of years. Maybe Geno is getting just a little too much attention. Regardless of the situation or reason , why even speak about it in public ? These are young student athletes . Some make mistakes. Coaches make mistakes, even though most people on this board put Geno on the " perfect" pedestal. In my mind, iy was taken down , because Geno doesn't really want to explain himself. So why say anything in the first place. Stupid on his part !
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CocoHusky said:
Because they is not him. "They" are the people who moderate this board. In the moderators judgement the content was removed. You and other posters have assumed, stated or implied that the video was taken down at the request of the school or Geno himself. If you turn that into a question of the moderators the answer might surprise you but it would definitely put you on much more solid footing. Geno made the comments and I bet you he would stand up to those comments, if asked. If you have been watching for as long as you claim you would realized that Geno doesn't give a mosquito's behind about what goes on the BY-thank God. I'm with you on the "perfect" pedestal ( there shouldn't be one) but when you say "Maybe Geno is getting just a little too much attention" you confuse me. Really, "too much attention" caused Geno to say that?
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No one at UConn has said anything regarding the video. It was my decision alone to remove it.
 
HuskyNan said:
No one at UConn has said anything regarding the video. It was my decision alone to remove it.
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Obviously you run the board, but, why did you remove it ? Seems we all should have access to anything that was truthfully said .
 
CocoHusky said:
Because they is not him. "They" are the people who moderate this board. In the moderators judgement the content was removed. You and other posters have assumed, stated or implied that the video was taken down at the request of the school or Geno himself. If you turn that into a question of the moderators the answer might surprise you but it would definitely put you on much more solid footing. Geno made the comments and I bet you he would stand up to those comments, if asked. If you have been watching for as long as you claim you would realized that Geno doesn't give a mosquito's behind about what goes on the BY-thank God. I'm with you on the "perfect" pedestal ( there shouldn't be one) but when you say "Maybe Geno is getting just a little too much attention" you confuse me. Really, "too much attention" caused Geno to say that?
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Yes. I've been watching the board long enough to know Geno has no problem letting this board, or the fans know he doesn't care what they think. And that's fine too. It's his basketball team. I was just surprised by the statement in the first place. Not the content, but that it was made in the first place. Now, once the statement is made then we as fans have every right to make our own judgements. That's just the way it is. My observance of Sunday's game was everyone on the bench looked happy and upbeat to me.
 
scubadog said:
Yes. I've been watching the board long enough to know Geno has no problem letting this board, or the fans know he doesn't care what they think. And that's fine too. It's his basketball team. I was just surprised by the statement in the first place. Not the content, but that it was made in the first place. Now, once the statement is made then we as fans have every right to make our own judgements. That's just the way it is. My observance of Sunday's game was everyone on the bench looked happy and upbeat to me.
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You are not alone in thinking that the statements by Geno should not have been made.
My disagreement with your post was the part where you stated that Geno had a hand in removing it from this board. Hopefully you now realized that was not correct.
 
CocoHusky said:
You are not alone in thinking that the statements by Geno should not have been made.
My disagreement with your post was the part where you stated that Geno had a hand in removing it from this board. Hopefully you now realized that was not correct.
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Absolutely
 
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All we really know, according to Geno, is AEH was not doing something Geno had asked her to do. It could have been basketball related, or it could have been school related (missing classes, missing tutoring sessions) or not putting in the time in the weight room, or not participating in the team building things they do, not following CD's rules. There's a lot of things asked of these kids in this program.

I'm sure a lot of kids want to do things there own way. That just doesn't work at UCONN.
 
JordyG said:
This is supposedly what he said in a video that has now been taken down:

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That is exactly what was said, except as I heard it he mispoke and said "she's not there anymore, because I did not want her here anymore." I do suspect that Geno came to realize it was not beneficial for the program to have put out an official "non-reason" for her departure, have the kid go public with I decided UConn was not for me and have people questioning what was going on. Most of the time honesty is the best policy. I remain glad to have had the truth come out; I'm sorry the video was taken down. It was about the best half hour of Geno I have ever seen/heard.
 
RockyMTblue2 said:
I do suspect that Geno came to realize it was not beneficial for the program to have put out an official "non-reason" for her departure, have the kid go public with I decided UConn was not for me and have people questioning what was going on.
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Unfortunately, I think you may be right about this, although I don't think he intended it to be a public, "on the record" statement, but rather something that leaked out to people who really wanted to know. That's why I don't think he would have wanted the cellphone video to be posted publicly.

I see a parallel to the situation where Candace Parker was left off the 2016 Olympic team, and after the Olympics an article appeared which contained several quotes from Geno, and also an unattributed paragraph about Candace not playing "inside the sandbox" on the 2012 Olympic team. That is the same modus operandi: a "not for attribution" statement that is almost certainly true, but casts a player (in that case Candace, in this case AEH) in a bad light in order to make Geno's decisions look more justified and less concerning. As a third example, some of the details that leaked out about the reasons for Samarie Walker's departure fit the same pattern.

Personally, I would prefer that a Hall of Fame coach with 11 NC's could be big enough not to feel the need to defend his reputation by disparaging basketball players who are negatively affected by his coaching decisions (and to do so "off the record"). He could have remained silent in all of these situations, and lived with the criticism that the Raouls of the world would inevitably make. But, as some of us recognize, Geno isn't perfect.

In this case, the result is that an 18-year-old young woman is probably going to find it harder to get a basketball scholarship at another school because of the comments that he made.
 
JoePgh said:
Unfortunately, I think you may be right about this, although I don't think he intended it to be a public, "on the record" statement, but rather something that leaked out to people who really wanted to know. That's why I don't think he would have wanted the cellphone video to be posted publicly.

I see a parallel to the situation where Candace Parker was left off the 2016 Olympic team, and after the Olympics an article appeared which contained several quotes from Geno, and also an unattributed paragraph about Candace not playing "inside the sandbox" on the 2012 Olympic team. That is the same modus operandi: a "not for attribution" statement that is almost certainly true, but casts a player (in that case Candace, in this case AEH) in a bad light in order to make Geno's decisions look more justified and less concerning. As a third example, some of the details that leaked out about the reasons for Samarie Walker's departure fit the same pattern.

Personally, I would prefer that a Hall of Fame coach with 11 NC's could be big enough not to feel the need to defend his reputation by disparaging basketball players who are negatively affected by his coaching decisions (and to do so "off the record"). He could have remained silent in all of these situations, and lived with the criticism that the Raouls of the world would inevitably make. But, as some of us recognize, Geno isn't perfect.

In this case, the result is that an 18-year-old young woman is probably going to find it harder to get a basketball scholarship at another school because of the comments that he made.
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I agree with just about every point you make, with the exception that AEH will find it harder to get a scholarship. That certainly wasn’t the case with Te’a Cooper, and with all the schools out their desperate to bring in talent, most coaches will overlook any warning signs, particularly if they need a shooting guard.
 
oldude said:
I agree with just about every point you make, with the exception that AEH will find it harder to get a scholarship. That certainly wasn’t the case with Te’a Cooper, and with all the schools out their desperate to bring in talent, most coaches will overlook any warning signs, particularly if they need a shooting guard.
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A Geno non-recommendation carries significantly more weight in the world of WCBB than a Holly Warlick non-recommendation.
 
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CocoHusky said:
A Geno non-recommendation carries significantly more weight in the world of WCBB than a Holly Warlick non-recommendation.
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Perhaps so, but there are certainly coaches out there who's first and only priority is winning, that will believe that AEH can help their team
 
JoePgh said:
but casts a player (in that case Candace, in this case AEH) in a bad light in order to make Geno's decisions look more justified and less concerning.
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There are some loaded words there. Much as I do not want to continue this chat on this topic: UConn spent considerable time and money recruiting Espinosa Hunter. She took a seat at the table that could have been filled by another talented guard. I'm sure the whole coaching staff was involved in this decision. It took a lot of intransigence on the player's part to chuck all the effort of recruiting and trying to train her to come to a decision which surely, still will be used in the recruiting wars to bad mouth UConn. So Geno's decision, the program's decision, to fire Espinosa Hunter was not lightly taken. Asked to chose between the well being of a program and someone who seriously screwed up, I'm taking the program with neither PC squeamishness or regret. She can land somewhere and do exactly what she wants: take Tenn or Ohio as perfect examples.
 
I guess Geno is not perfect like a lot of you think......I’d like to ask Shea why she always looks mad on the sideline. Anyone else notice that?
 
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I hardly think that Geno's statement will make it harder for AEH to get a scholarship. I heard the statement (before it was removed) and he basically said that she couldn't or wouldn't do what he asked of her. No surprise there. From this and the delay in announcing, I would suspect that he told her to decide if she wanted to change her ways or leave. She chose to leave.

Without any of the background or statements, another coach might first wonder why a player left the team in December and did not enroll elsewhere in January. But stuff happens, so they look at her game and skills and decide if she would fit their program. Leaving UConn meant it was "not a good fit", which is a more gracious way of saying what Geno said. Many (most) coaches run a less rigorous, less structured program and may believe she would flourish there. I would hope that AEH would be clearer on what she needs and wants from a program this time around - to herself and the program.
 
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