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Was Allie Over-looked?

sun said:
Looking at the 2024-25 stats, Morgan was a relatively strong rebounder with more rebounds per game than Azzi (2.4 RPG vs 2.0 RPG). while Allie was the weakest rebounder on the team with 0.5 RPG.
However, even though Allie played in many more games than Morgan (33 to 24) but with less minutes (270 to 318), Allie only had 5 fouls compared to Morgan who amassed 41 fouls.
I suppose if Allie plays a more aggressive defense then she'll probably also committ more fouls.
Morgan certainly seemed to receive a lot more applause from posters than Allie did last year.
Because the season is still young & Morgan's health is in doubt along with the full roster, it remains to be seen whether this year will lead to Allie significantly increasing her stardom, particularly when compared to Morgan's popularity.

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Sun - nice post. You brought out a different element to examine about Allie. Defense! Also, the perspective of Morgan on the court vs Allie. You made you point clear about fouls. Allie had less of this negative move. I want to know how many positive events happened because of Morgan's aggressiveness. Who will examine the film and count Morgan's steals, defensive touches on passes, and causing "hurry up" turnovers. That will tell the tale. Was Allie too passive since she had very few fouls or was she careful not to foul?
 
Gael said:
In the following presser after the SCSU game, the first question Geno was asked was about Allie. Starting at 1:15 of the video, Geno says about last season:

"The first two weeks of preseason, she was probably going to be in the starting lineup. And then all of a sudden she was sick, missed about four or five days of practice, and never really, really recovered her, you know, sense of 'I'm really good.'"

Geno says at that point she "struggled with confidence issues," and the only thing that held her back was truly believing she belonged with the group. This year she's come back "better prepared," suggesting that she's she's regained confidence.

So, it's probably fair to say that Allie's actual skills and potential were overlooked to some degree because, as last year's rotation became solidified, she was not that much on display.

It's interesting to wonder: If Allie had started last season, over whom would she have started?

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I was hoping someone would bring this up! (So O didnt have to go find it lol)
 
MooseJaw said:
Yes, agree 100% and add that last year she didn't deserve much playing time. A stark contrast to this year so far. She looks trimer, quicker, more confident, has more court awareness with dead eye shooting. Ok throw in a better defensive stance, with better reaction time. Sports fans this is what a sophomore jump looks like. I hope for her sake and ours that she continues her upward trajectory.
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Yes, She certainly looks much more comfortable out there and I’m guessing at least some of that comes from the very obvious improvement in her conditioning. As you say, she just looks different out here. I remember seeing a picture of her in the weight room several weeks ago and not even recognizing her at first. She clearly put in some serious work over the break and that is one reason I feel more confident about her future. She wants to play and went out and did something about it.
 
I hope that many of you are correct with your assumption's. I’ll wait until after Tuesday nights game. We need a shooter next year with Azzi gone. I hope that Allie can be that player.
 
I doubt she was…talented rosters top to bottom. BUT…I was overlooked on many basketball courts across America…and a few in Europe. I travel well…figuratively and literally. I mean why else would they play 4 on 5? 🤣
 
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victor64 said:
Here is an odd stat that would make DavidinNaples proud.

Allie was 6-12 from the line last year. 1-3 from the line in the two exhibitions.

I realize it is a small sample size but she is too good a shooter to have that FT %.
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And it's good to keep in mind that, in a close game, UConn players need to be able to hit free throws in the final minutes or they won't be on the court.
 
It's hard because it's such a deep roster. For me, predicting limited productivity for Allie was kinda based on Caroline potentially getting a chance to re-establish herself in her 5th year. But Allie could potentially be the second best shooter on the team. I've always loved her size and thought she could be really good. I will not be surprised if she has a very productive year. But to me, it means that barring injury Caroline will have a very limited role.
 
sun said:
Looking at the 2024-25 stats, Morgan was a relatively strong rebounder with more rebounds per game than Azzi (2.4 RPG vs 2.0 RPG). while Allie was the weakest rebounder on the team with 0.5 RPG.
However, even though Allie played in many more games than Morgan (33 to 24) but with less minutes (270 to 318), Allie only had 5 fouls compared to Morgan who amassed 41 fouls.
I suppose if Allie plays a more aggressive defense then she'll probably also committ more fouls.
Morgan certainly seemed to receive a lot more applause from posters than Allie did last year.
Because the season is still young & Morgan's health is in doubt along with the full roster, it remains to be seen whether this year will lead to Allie significantly increasing her stardom, particularly when compared to Morgan's popularity.

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The biggest difference between Morgan and Allie last year imo is that Morgan was more ready to compete athletically. Someone else mentioned that Allie lost confidence in her shot a bit last season. And I agree with that, I mentioned the North Carolina game. Allie became unplayable because she wasn’t able to give the shooting that would warrant her being on the floor. Morgan didn’t give that either. But she could rebound and play defense and I think might be one of the better passers on the team. So, she found other ways to contribute.

For Allie. Maybe she is more ready to compete athletically this year? And maybe her confidence in her shooting is back? That’s what we should hope for anyway.
 
Nah. Allie was not overlooked. Like others have stated, we had a 7-8 player rotation last year. The only way Allie cracking that rotation, the main core players had to be injured, we are up by 20, down by 20, or there were only 20 seconds on the clock. I don't think Allie was overlooked. She is on a team that was healthy and just clicking.
 
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PacoSwede said:
are not these watch lists altered as the season advances? could allie make a run for the honor? indeed she could. 🤞
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Yes, watch lists are exactly what the name implies - keeping an eye on a player that could excel. Some will drop off the list and others added. It’s very fluid
 
Stagnant said:
The biggest difference between Morgan and Allie last year imo is that Morgan was more ready to compete athletically. Someone else mentioned that Allie lost confidence in her shot a bit last season. And I agree with that, I mentioned the North Carolina game. Allie became unplayable because she wasn’t able to give the shooting that would warrant her being on the floor. Morgan didn’t give that either. But she could rebound and play defense and I think might be one of the better passers on the team. So, she found other ways to contribute.

For Allie. Maybe she is more ready to compete athletically this year? And maybe her confidence in her shooting is back? That’s what we should hope for anyway.
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To me, what set Morgan apart last year was that she "got" the totality of what Geno wants the team to do. As a non-Paige, Sarah freshman, she still had/has work to do on executing some of those concepts, but she really understood them.
 
oldude said:
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Caroline was a starter who carried UConn for a time as a freshman when both Paige & Azzi were out. Allie has started 0 games as a Husky, playing mostly mop up minutes.

Whether Caroline deserves to be on the Cheryl Miller watchlist is debatable. But the comparison between Caroline and Allie to be considered for that watchlist is an exceptional stretch.

That’s not a reflection on Allie’s potential. But she has to demonstrate that potential before she should be considered for any such preseason recognition.
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Better to focus on the up-side of players. I do worry that we don't have a fully satisfactory guard to spell Azzi but hope one of the newcomers can fill the bill. My choice now is to use Ash to sub in for Fudd. She's very solid.
 
huskyd said:
Better to focus on the up-side of players. I do worry that we don't have a fully satisfactory guard to spell Azzi but hope one of the newcomers can fill the bill. My choice now is to use Ash to sub in for Fudd. She's very solid.
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Except that Ash is in the starting lineup along with Azzi. So the current choices to sub for Azzi are Blanca, Allie, Caroline, Kelis & Morgan if she gets healthy.
 
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oldude said:
Except that Ash is in the starting lineup along with Azzi. So the current choices to sub for Azzi are Blanca, Allie, Caroline, Kelis & Morgan if she gets healthy.
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If Geno starts KK and Azzi, he doesn't need Ash. If he uses all 3, it doesn't have to be at once though. I'd rather see KK, Azzi, and Blanca plus Sarah and Serah to start with Ash coming off the bench. Pass it along . . .
 
Kayleigh and Blanca will sub for KK and Ash. Then the four will rotate with Azzi. Allie if she plays well will be the third guard in off the bench.
 
PhillyCoach said:
Well, with 14 players last year and 15 this year, being overlooked can happen. I thought Geno saw "possibly my next best shooter" early last year. No doubt, it was a quick hook from Geno. Being a freshman with pressure to out shoot most of the team--it was too much. Her defense needed work too.
I over looked Allie after that. AS a frosh--you get mop up!
However, now It looks to many posters that Allie worked on a few things and is "competing for time." IMHO Geno is giving Allie more leeway and wants her to shoot her way into the top 8. Who could sub for Azzi? Someone who was said to shoot--49 in a row out of 50. Many stories of her "shooting" prowess are discussed.
This year, for whatever reason, I overlooked her again. However, this last game brought her to my attention. Shooting was more confident and relaxed. She scored inside too. And her defensive stance was lower and quicker. Of course, Not in the Azzi, Ash, or KK mode. Anyway, Geno is happy about the situation as it unfolds.
He just got his BIG for next year and Allie could possibly be the shooter needed to somewhat replace Azzi. Good coaches think ahead when needed.
I heard all the great shooting stories about Allie. As a coach, I was hoping she was not a "practice player" shooting out the lights in workouts, but not hitting in games. UConn needs gamers. Allie has to believe she can do it first. I heard---Azzi is helping her in her belief.
I think Allie will get enough time to prove to Geno that she has what it takes. A little improvement on defense and her playing time goes up. Next scene is coming in on a big game when UConn needs some vital 3's. Shooting under pressure is a whole nother thing. Clutch is everyone's goal.
I am rooting for her. Geno believes it is in her. Can anyone say "Development."
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Geno has said that Allie can be whatever she wants to be. I feel that if Allie can regain the confidence she had as a high school star ( now up an exponential level at UCONN ) she can be a dominating player. She has that potential. It I within her. Can she find it and let it blossom? We shall see.
 
Allie needs to hit the court shooting a high percentage from three point land or she will find herself back in the crowd on the bench. She is not a great defender so she must to what makes her special and that is pile on the points if you leave her open to focus on one if the stars. First game she really didn't come out shooting and she found he way out of the game with little reason to come back in. She is still young and hopefully at some point she will realize her role and rise to accept it.
 
Rowdy831 said:
Allie needs to hit the court shooting a high percentage from three point land or she will find herself back in the crowd on the bench. She is not a great defender so she must to what makes her special and that is pile on the points if you leave her open to focus on one if the stars. First game she really didn't come out shooting and she found he way out of the game with little reason to come back in. She is still young and hopefully at some point she will realize her role and rise to accept it.
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Rewatch the game and count how many times she touched the ball in position to shoot. To save you time it was once in 6 minutes. And she took it. UConn doesn’t run ISOs for a backup SG, she has to get her shots in the flow of the offense. So how is she supposed to come out shooting?
 
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BobbyJ said:
Rewatch the game and count how many times she touched the ball in position to shoot. To save you time it was once in 6 minutes. And she took it. UConn doesn’t run ISOs for a backup SG, she has to get her shots in the flow of the offense. So how is she supposed to come out shooting?
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Her problem is that if she isn't going to be left open, there is little reason to play her. As we saw yesterday, K9 has the speed to cut to get open while providing quality defense.

Allie is going to have her moments this year, she just won't necessarily be a consistent contributor.
 
PhillyCoach said:
Well, with 14 players last year and 15 this year, being overlooked can happen. I thought Geno saw "possibly my next best shooter" early last year. No doubt, it was a quick hook from Geno. Being a freshman with pressure to out shoot most of the team--it was too much. Her defense needed work too.
I over looked Allie after that. AS a frosh--you get mop up!
However, now It looks to many posters that Allie worked on a few things and is "competing for time." IMHO Geno is giving Allie more leeway and wants her to shoot her way into the top 8. Who could sub for Azzi? Someone who was said to shoot--49 in a row out of 50. Many stories of her "shooting" prowess are discussed.
This year, for whatever reason, I overlooked her again. However, this last game brought her to my attention. Shooting was more confident and relaxed. She scored inside too. And her defensive stance was lower and quicker. Of course, Not in the Azzi, Ash, or KK mode. Anyway, Geno is happy about the situation as it unfolds.
He just got his BIG for next year and Allie could possibly be the shooter needed to somewhat replace Azzi. Good coaches think ahead when needed.
I heard all the great shooting stories about Allie. As a coach, I was hoping she was not a "practice player" shooting out the lights in workouts, but not hitting in games. UConn needs gamers. Allie has to believe she can do it first. I heard---Azzi is helping her in her belief.
I think Allie will get enough time to prove to Geno that she has what it takes. A little improvement on defense and her playing time goes up. Next scene is coming in on a big game when UConn needs some vital 3's. Shooting under pressure is a whole nother thing. Clutch is everyone's goal.
I am rooting for her. Geno believes it is in her. Can anyone say "Development."
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I am also rooting for Allie to find stardom. But she is not going to get anywhere if she dan't drain open threes in a real game. I can't believe Geno benched her for missing her one shot ( no one hit threes for UCONN ), but what else explains it? She got in the game early. Played okay as far as I recall. And was gone.
 
ec33 said:
Her problem is that if she isn't going to be left open, there is little reason to play her. As we saw yesterday, K9 has the speed to cut to get open while providing quality defense.

Allie is going to have her moments this year, she just won't necessarily be a consistent contributor.
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She will if she is given the chance. See how well other players score when limited to one shot. Also, Allie can do more than score from outside plus her defense has improved since last season.
 
donalddoowop said:
She will if she is given the chance. See how well other players score when limited to one shot. Also, Allie can do more than score from outside plus her defense has improved since last season.
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All due respect, you have zero proof of this. What has been encouraging is Geno has seen something from Allie to sub her into games as part of the first 9 rotational players in both exhibition games and in the Louisville game. But her appearance yesterday was brief without a second half showing. Geno has said many, many times, “you can need to impact the game in more than just scoring” and we did not see that yesterday. Does that mean she won’t blossom, of course not but the reverse is also true, we (and you) don’t know with any certainty it will blossom either, just that the subbing pattern suggests Geno is seeing something to give her a chance. I have my fingers crossed and my hopes high….but as the phrase states “time will tell”
 
donalddoowop said:
She will if she is given the chance. See how well other players score when limited to one shot. Also, Allie can do more than score from outside plus her defense has improved since last season.
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Who should have lost productive minutes on Monday in order for Allie's empty minutes to perhaps pay minor dividends? She has a clear role on this team: come off the bench and make 3's at an Azzi level of shooting. When she does that, she will play. When she doesn't, Geno will find better use of those minutes.

And the difficulty with improving your defense from "unplayable" to "perhaps adequate, maybe" is that KK, Ashlynn, K9, and Blanca are all exceptional defensively.
 
Rowdy831 said:
Allie needs to hit the court shooting a high percentage from three point land or she will find herself back in the crowd on the bench. She is not a great defender so she must to what makes her special and that is pile on the points if you leave her open to focus on one if the stars. First game she really didn't come out shooting and she found he way out of the game with little reason to come back in. She is still young and hopefully at some point she will realize her role and rise to accept it.
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That game was a bad one to formulate any judgement of Allie’s performance. While it’s true that she didn’t come out and make threes, she really didn’t get much run because the game did not go that well and Geno chose, wisely I think, to go with the main core plus Kayleigh, who was very effective. Let’s give Allie a few games before we start giving up on her. I too think she will rise to the occasion but that Louisville game was not it for sure.
 
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