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The problem is that, indeed, all she and Baylor received was a slap on the wrist, and the reduction of a couple of scholarships that most D-1 coaches don't use anyway....
 
ericsandiego said:
You'd get way more mileage in here if you admitted it was slimy, sneaky, against the rules, and that she knew full well what she was doing. which is true. And now she's going to pay the price FOREVER for her indiscretions. Cheater is a moniker that will follow her around for the rest of her career...
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Since the NCAA will not deal with it it is up to the fans to voice their discontent. Every game next year Mulkey should be greeted with cheers of "cheater" when she takes the court until she stands up and takes ownership of her real actions. The walk of shame at the start of each game.

None of it is the kids' fault and how can one expect integrity from kids when this is the example. It is all Mulkey's alone and she needs to own the whole thing.
 
ericsandiego said:
One other thing, ETT, is that Kim and her staff KNOWINGLY broke the rules. Kim knew she shouldn't have been having inappropriate contact with Griner's family, in spite of the excuse that her kid was playing too. she used her daughter as a pawn to get closer to Brit's family. Additionally, you must believe she and her staff knew exactly what, when, and how often texts and contact with recruits was allowed. over 1,000 is not some inadvertent accident.

so now, Kim has the unfortunate stigma as cheater extraordinaire. Heck, there's zero evidence Geno has EVER cheated or done anything untoward to get a recruit (Maya specifically) but that doesn't stop some orange fans from screaming into the wind that Geno's a cheater. now we have actual proof that Kim went off the rails.

You'd get way more mileage in here if you admitted it was slimy, sneaky, against the rules, and that she knew full well what she was doing. which is true. And now she's going to pay the price FOREVER for her indiscretions. Cheater is a moniker that will follow her around for the rest of her career...
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ran out of gas long ago in my book... but Im just a bypasser. Showing off that new car with the shiny wheels, smling from ear to ear but sitting on the side of the road... out of gas!
 
does Mulkey have any other young daughters coming up in the AAU circuits?

who's next KB-A, Jen R, Caldwell,...
 
Two Points:

1)Taken from the NCAA report. The paragraph I posted was from the Introduction section of the report, linked here: http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/pdfs/2012/baylor+public+inf+report

This was the institution's sixth major infractions case, the institution having appeared before the committee most recently in 2005 for a case involving the men's basketball and football programs.
As a result of its 2005 case, the institution is considered a "repeat violator" under NCAA Bylaw 19.5.2.1.1.

Yet based on the above they let Baylor pick its punishment, like Andy Griffith let Otis come and go when he was drunk in Mayberry.

2) Also from the Introduction part of the NCAA report, linked above.
Information about potential violations in this case first came to light during an October 26, 2008, interview conducted by the enforcement staff with then prospective student-athlete ("prospect 1") and the prospect's father.
The NCAA took three and a half years to make a decision on what to do? They basically let Baylor and Ms Mulkey have three free years to win a championship with the top player in WBB, before coming down "hard" on Baylor. Geez, if ND had beat Baylor would they have waited one more year before deciding what to do?
 
I did not realize it was Baylor's sixth time with major infractions before the NCAA. That makes the response and handling of this completely unacceptable. Also, Nan, mentioned early on the issue of institutional control. Were there any penalties in toto for that issue?
 
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As I said early on when the report first surfaced, none of this passes the smell test. I challenge anyone to name another program that had SIX players from the same AAU team on its roster. The real rogue in all of this may well be McKinney but Mulkey exhibited exceedingly poor judgement as well. (And that's being kind.) Throwing some nameless, faceless compliance official under the bus just doesn't cut it.
 
Icebear said:
Since the NCAA will not deal with it it is up to the fans to voice their discontent. Every game next year Mulkey should be greeted with cheers of "cheater" when she takes the court until she stands up and takes ownership of her real actions. The walk of shame at the start of each game.

None of it is the kids' fault and how can one expect integrity from kids when this is the example. It is all Mulkey's alone and she needs to own the whole thing.
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Yeah, that's a really grown up response.
 
ericsandiego said:
i did not know that. what was the other violation for Tennessee?
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Giving a player extra helpings, as compared with other students, in the cafeteria.
 
JS said:
Giving a player extra helpings, as compared with other students, in the cafeteria.
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OMG seriously? well i dislike Tennessee as much as the next fan, but that seems a little over the top. i wonder how it even got reported. maybe another non-hoops student complained?
 
ericsandiego said:
i wonder how it even got reported. maybe another non-hoops student complained?
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It was reported to be self-reported by the school, according to reports on NCAA reporting. How it got reported to the staff is unreported. But it reportedly concerned desserts. So maybe a jealous chocoholic reported it.





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I have it on good authority, though, that the whole thing was engineered to put the NCAA off its guard. "Geez," they said, "if Tennessee is such a bunch of damned fools as to report this piece of nothing, we don't have to worry about THEM." And, with the NCAA looking the other way, it made possible the gifts of cars, do-nothing jobs and houses for players and their parents that we all JUST KNOW followed.
 
Icebear said:
Since the NCAA will not deal with it it is up to the fans to voice their discontent. Every game next year Mulkey should be greeted with cheers of "cheater" when she takes the court until she stands up and takes ownership of her real actions. The walk of shame at the start of each game.

None of it is the kids' fault and how can one expect integrity from kids when this is the example. It is all Mulkey's alone and she needs to own the whole thing.
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Mulkey has repented and deserves forgiveness.
 
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JS said:
It was reported to be self-reported by the school, according to reports on NCAA reporting. How it got reported to the staff is unreported. But it reportedly concerned desserts. So maybe a jealous chocoholic reported it.





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Really? You are saying it was a case of un-just desserts? I had recalled that it was a malapropos mound of mash potatoes.

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Your theory does seem to hold more weight...so to speak.
 
ETT--

Lesson #1 in writing to this board: know when to cool it.
Lesson #2 in writing to this board is to pay attention when ICE speaks - ICE is a truly kind, understanding person.
Lesson#3: this was a matter of ethics, and like it or not Kim Mulkey failed the test.
 
VAUConnFan said:
Yeah, that's a really grown up response.
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It serves the specific purpose of making the fans displeasure with with the NCAA and Mulkey evident. I is about applying pressure. Occupy Waco. If nothing else it makes it clear to all involved that the fans of WCBB do not want the cloud of this type of behavior considered acceptable. Sometimes shaming is the only power a group has to force reform.

If you prefer something more subtle let everyone stand and turn their backs as she takes the court or is announced. The power is in consistent and unified messaging.
 
easttexastrash said:
Mulkey has repented and deserves forgiveness.
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No she hasn't she has minimized her responsibility and attempted to scapegoat it. She and the program suggested a joke of a penalty which has/d no real possibility of impact. When she does accept and admits the extent of the appropriate behavior then she does deserve full and complete forgiveness. People offered minimal penalties and cheap grace to Rene P., too, and she never did reform her behavior and we all know the mess that resulted in.

One does wonder how a Baptist school has run a foul of the NCAA 6 times. Repentance is a term meaning to take a new path.
 
Mulkey did`nt repent. She blew it off by blaming the compliance department and claimed that sitting with the multiple recruits` parents in the parents section was just being a good mother. Does she really think her daughter would care if she sat in the coaches section. Come on, who`s she kidding?
 
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AboutWeston said:
ETT--

Lesson #1 in writing to this board: know when to cool it.
Lesson #2 in writing to this board is to pay attention when ICE speaks - ICE is a truly kind, understanding person.
Lesson#3: this was a matter of ethics, and like it or not Kim Mulkey failed the test.
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I agree with Lesson #1 & #3 :p
 
DaddyChoc said:
I agree with Lesson #1 & #3 :p
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That's because I always use tough love with you. :rolleyes:
#2 is embarrassing for me, too, but I couldn't think of how too address it. I appreciate AW's thought but was hoping it was irony.
 
Icebear said:
That's because I always use tough love with you. :rolleyes:
#2 is embarrassing for me, too, but I couldn't think of how too address it. I appreciate AW's thought but was hoping it was irony.
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ICE--

Re: #2: Irony, no. Perhaps because I really do agree with you all the time! And 'cause we've never met!!!:)
 
Thanks, AW, but just another flawed human being. Sometimes I do better and sometimes I do worse.
 
Just to be clear -- I wasn't talking about the nature of the punishment. I was talking about the (to my eyes/ears) seemed implication but Jenkins that the violations were known about and not acted upon...

The punishment doesn't suit.
 
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One reason why these punishments often don't seem severe enough is because the people that sit on the committees are also employed at various athletic departments. They know it could very well be their school sitting in judgement one day.

Blueballer said:
Calipari does that every time he gets caught too....
....Or resigns and pops up somewhere else :p
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in jest and with apologies to W.S. Gilbert:

A more humane decision never
Did in the league exist,
To nobody second,
they’re certainly reckoned
Such true philanthropists.
It is the very humane endeavour
To make, to some extent,
Each evil liver
A running river
Of harmless merriment

The object all sublime
Which shall achieve in time —
To let the punishment fit the crime —
The punishment fit the crime;
And make each prisoner pent
Unwillingly represent
A source of innocent merriment!
Of innocent merriment!

All prosy dull society sinners,
Who chatter and bleat and bore,
Are sent to hear sermons
From mystical Germans
Who preach from ten till four. (Sorry Ice)
The coach basketball who then texts one and all
And sits chatting where she should not be
But Oh my the restriction!
Says she, no conviction just
mea culpas to all she can see

The object all sublime
Has not achieved this time —
To let the punishment fit the crime —
The punishment fit the crime;
The message seemingly sent
Such poorly represent
the rules with which this league was meant!
indeed the rules were bent!
 
What do you think would have been an appropriate punishment?
 
While many would like to see a harsher punishment, it's difficult to come up with one that won't be effectively punishing the current Baylor student athletes. As far as I understand, the athletes themselves did nothing wrong, if anything they are actually victims of these infractions (though given the program's success I doubt they feel cheated). This takes punishments such as win/championship forfeitures and banishment from future tournaments off the table IMO.

Suspension of guilty staff members (including Coach Mulkey) for the entire 2012-2013 regular season, in addition to the self-imposed penalties, I would support. If Baylor were to appeal, I'd cut that by 5 games or so if Coach Mulkey were to step up and publicly admit fault.
But with the women's game slowly catching up to the men in terms of profitability/marketability, the governing body is going to protect its commodities rising stars. Fact.
 
NativeSon said:
While many would like to see a harsher punishment, it's difficult to come up with one that won't be effectively punishing the current Baylor student athletes. As far as I understand, the athletes themselves did nothing wrong, if anything they are actually victims of these infractions (though given the program's success I doubt they feel cheated). This takes punishments such as win/championship forfeitures and banishment from future tournaments off the table IMO.

Suspension of guilty staff members (including Coach Mulkey) for the entire 2012-2013 regular season, in addition to the self-imposed penalties, I would support. If Baylor were to appeal, I'd cut that by 5 games or so if Coach Mulkey were to step up and publicly admit fault.
But with the women's game slowly catching up to the men in terms of profitability/marketability, the governing body is going to protect its commodities rising stars. Fact.
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its never the kids fault... just like the "current" UConn Men's players being punished for stuff that happened 3-5yrs ago
 
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