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Outside of Diggins, and I guess Loyd (though Diggins and Loyd never played together), no one on those team that beat UConn were rated in the Top 10 coming out of HS. UConn still had more "talent". How did they not "work" hard?
They were the flop squad. The flopping is no more. I was very angry watching those games and ND players flopping and UConn getting in foul trouble because it was called a foul which it wasnt. I dont look at those as UConn losses to ND simply because ND imo was handed the game. Give ND credit for continuing to flop knowing it would be called in their favor. I lost alot of respect for the refs making those calls.
 
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Checkmate- - - I agree with you 100%! ND will not win a Nat'l Championship! As long as Geno & staff get top recruits he'll always outcoach The Muffet! ND doesn't work as hard as UCONN does and they never will under The Muffet! If ND did work as hard or harder than UCONN with the players they've had they would have won at least 2 Championships vs TXa&m & Baylor, back-to-back!
Even when they beat UCONN on that streak The Muffet fell short of winning the Big One!
If Geno & staff had those same players ND had he'd have won Championship's with them!

Wow. That's incredibly ungracious, not to mention flat out wrong. How exactly did ND beat UConn 7 out of 8 times?
 
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They were the flop squad. The flopping is no more. I was very angry watching those games and ND players flopping and UConn getting in foul trouble because it was called a foul which it wasnt. I dont look at those as UConn losses to ND simply because ND imo was handed the game. Give ND credit for continuing to flop knowing it would be called in their favor. I lost alot of respect for the refs making those calls.

Thank you for you comments Hope Solo.
So 7 out of 8 games, over 3 years, there were consistently bad refs, and they were bad in the same direction every time.
 
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Outside of Diggins, and I guess Loyd (though Diggins and Loyd never played together), no one on those team that beat UConn were rated in the Top 10 coming out of HS. UConn still had more "talent". How did they not "work" hard?


MarieYLee- - ND obviously "worked hard" but not at the fanatical level Geno & staff has his players go at every minute every day at practice! There are different levels of working hard and Geno and UCONN are at a different level than any other Div. I program! The proof is in the 11 Championships to 1 at ND!
Doris Burke said it best, "UCONN just out works every other program! No one even comes close!"
 
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Wow. That's incredibly ungracious, not to mention flat out wrong. How exactly did ND beat UConn 7 out of 8 times?


vowelguy- - -My point was they did beat UCONN 7 out of 8 but The Muffet still couldn't win a NC! She has trouble winning the Big One even with outstanding teams! It may be "incredibly ungracious," but it is also the truth!
I'm really not trying to be nasty I'm just saying When Geno gets to the NCAA Finals he wins and except for one time The Muffet loses!
 
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They were the flop squad. The flopping is no more. I was very angry watching those games and ND players flopping and UConn getting in foul trouble because it was called a foul which it wasnt. I dont look at those as UConn losses to ND simply because ND imo was handed the game. Give ND credit for continuing to flop knowing it would be called in their favor. I lost alot of respect for the refs making those calls.


Tonyc- - - - Yes, it pi--ed me off too! Also because of the "flop calls" and other silly calls the UCONN players expected to get hosed by the refs and went into those ND games not as confident as a UCONN team usually is.
Now UCONN is back in their usual MOJO and will not let ND off the hook.
The Muffet better get used to crying she gets no respect from Geno & the Huskies!
I have no respect for the worst refs in any sport!
I have lost a lot of respect for The Muffet with the lousy attitude at the MOP WCBB Player award to Stewie and only Ivie applauded at the ceremony and with her sour grapes and bitterness toward Geno!
Hey Muffet, just demand your players work harder in practice and they may only lose by 10 points instead of 25!
 
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Blaming the refs for that period of ND success vs. UConn is like blaming the current massive floods in Baton Rouge on a leaky water faucet in a dorm on the LSU campus,


Kibitzer- - - At that time, the refs for whatever reason gave Diggins and the rest of the ND teams way to much credit and saw the UCONN vs ND games with green tinted glasses on!
ND could do nothing wrong and the Huskies were clumsy, bumbling fools!
 

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Kibitzer- - - At that time, the refs for whatever reason gave Diggins and the rest of the ND teams way to much credit and saw the UCONN vs ND games with green tinted glasses on!
ND could do nothing wrong and the Huskies were clumsy, bumbling fools!

I avoid one vs. one confrontations and I don't share your view. Over that eight game stretch (ND won seven), 24 refs officiated. Could it be that they all were totally incompetent? Unforgivably biased? Or involved in a criminal conspiracy -- somehow orchestrated by Muffet (and her players complicit)?

I think not and doubt I could dissuade you from your belief -- that the refs were the main reason that UConn got beat by Notre Dame. Often.

Good luck with that.
 

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Thank you for you comments Hope Solo.
So 7 out of 8 games, over 3 years, there were consistently bad refs, and they were bad in the same direction every time.
IMO the flop calls by the refs that resulted in fouls on UConn which is no longer were YES bad calls.
 

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I avoid one vs. one confrontations and I don't share your view. Over that eight game stretch (ND won seven), 24 refs officiated. Could it be that they all were totally incompetent? Unforgivably biased? Or involved in a criminal conspiracy -- somehow orchestrated by Muffet (and her players complicit)?

I think not and doubt I could dissuade you from your belief -- that the refs were the main reason that UConn got beat by Notre Dame. Often.

Good luck with that.
I wouldnt call them incompetent biased unforgiving etc I would label it as anything. They were consistent bad calls. Flops are not fouls imo. Do you think flops are fouls?
 
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Checkmate- - - I agree with you 100%! ND will not win a Nat'l Championship! As long as Geno & staff get top recruits he'll always outcoach The Muffet! ND doesn't work as hard as UCONN does and they never will under The Muffet! If ND did work as hard or harder than UCONN with the players they've had they would have won at least 2 Championships vs TXa&m & Baylor, back-to-back!
Even when they beat UCONN on that streak The Muffet fell short of winning the Big One!
If Geno & staff had those same players ND had he'd have won Championship's with them!
Not sure I agree that they would have beaten Baylor.... especially since Baylor had Griner.... That year Baylor really was good...
 
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Gotta agree with Tony. All we can go on is track record so UConn is number one until/if someone beats them and they are champions until/if someone dethrones them. So in that respect it is fair to say if any player wants to win championships they will come to UConn.
 
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Gotta agree with Tony. All we can go on is track record so UConn is number one until/if someone beats them and they are champions until/if someone dethrones them. So in that respect it is fair to say if any player wants to win championships they will come to UConn.
While there may be some truth in this, with no disrespect intended, there is a fair amount of presumption in it as well. I yield to no one in my admiration for UConn coaching, but....

1. Every athlete wants to win championships. So, by the above logic, no recruited player should ever turn down UConn, or, if they do, they don't really want to win championships but value even more something "lesser" instead: more immediate playing time, more individual glory, or they are afraid of Geno's reputation for toughness. Those are speculative reasons: we can't read what's in their hearts. Of course, many of them decide ostensibly to play closer to home or prefer some aspect of that school, but they have almost certainly convinced themselves that they can have that while at the same time competing for championships. Elite high school players will rarely surrender at least the dream of winning a national championship.
2. Many athletes double down on their dreams by wanting also to slay the giant. I suspect (I can't know) that's one very important reason why a great number of UConn recruits choose instead to go to UConn's competitors: to fight the great fight in hopes of gaining even greater glory than "just" having yet another jersey number on the wall at Gampel Pavilion. It's like LeBron returning to Cleveland or Phelps dragging himself back into the pool: it's heroic.

Rather than dismissing these players out of hand as wanting something other than championships, another way to look at it is to admire them for taking a different road. And to the current discussion: if Walker chooses to go elsewhere, to my mind at least, it doesn't for one picosecond make her less desirous of winning championships.
 
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vowelguy- - -My point was they did beat UCONN 7 out of 8 but The Muffet still couldn't win a NC! She has trouble winning the Big One even with outstanding teams! It may be "incredibly ungracious," but it is also the truth!
I'm really not trying to be nasty I'm just saying When Geno gets to the NCAA Finals he wins and except for one time The Muffet loses!
Did you know we are 34-11 against Notre Dame. Winning the last five all by double digits?
 

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Im looking at UConn next season with the 2 transfers and adding Walker. Its a no brainier for a NC, if thats what Walker wants. I think she does and I have no inside information. Its just a hunch. To become successful you must pay a huge price, you must pay it in advance and there are no guarantees. Playing for Geno, well these comments are true. When Stevens transfered from Duke it was said she was coming to UConn to win a NC. I think most people involved in Womens BB know that. There is only one number 1 and thats Geno and UConn. Geno is the very best in developing young women into great people and great BB players. The development is not about who you are...but about what you become through your 4 year journey at UConn. At UConn its all about winning NCs and the development process is tuff, and its worth it. It isnt easy going through hell and back every single day at practice but the end result of what you become both on and off the court makes it all worth it for the rest of your life. Winning is a habit unfortunately so is losing. At UConn losing isnt an option because of the work put in, in advance, it very seldom happens.

As good as some other teams are this season they will not be as well prepared to do battle with UConn. The reason is because they will not do what Geno demands from his players and staff. Its called dedication. It took Geno and Chris almost 20 years to get to where their teams are today. Theyve weeded out the nonsense and the negative attitudes and built something that others will not be able to catch up to. Just when some fans were concerned and doubting Geno and why he wasnt getting certain players was because they did not know what was hanging in the thoughts of transfers... here we are with Butler Stevens and Batouley (spelling). Not bad pick ups huh. Yeah UConn is still the team to beat, still the number 1 draw in WCBB and they will remain there.

An excellent post Tonyc. I share and concur with your observations 100%. You bring up some salient and insightful points. Sometimes, not having any inside information is not a bad thing.
When you've been looking at anything for a while, you learn to trust your instincts. You learn how to judge and process information gathered from the old "eye test". You learn to trust those "gut feelings (a hunch)". That old adage remains true today: "if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, IT'S A DUCK"!! There are reasons why no other program has been able to sustain the level of success that UConn has. Years and years of experience, and learning from mistakes in errors of judgement (an of earning from the mistakes of others). It's like being a gourmet cook. They know when a dish they're preparing is perfect.

I think you very adequately nailed it when you stated " The development is not about who you are...but about what you become through your 4 year journey at UConn. At UConn its all about winning NCs and the development process is tuff, and its worth it. It isn't easy going through hell and back every single day at practice but the end result of what you become both on and off the court makes it all worth it for the rest of your life. Winning is a habit unfortunately so is losing. At UConn losing isn't an option because of the work put in, in advance, it very seldom happens".

Syracuse women's head coach Quinton Hillsman said it best in a post game comment after the his team's loss to UConn for the nation championship this past April, He said "UConn has forgotten how to lose". To become the best at anything, you must be willing to pay the price, whatever it is. Many players talk the talk, but are not willing to walk the walk. That walk often times consists of a long and arduous journey. A journey that pushes you, and forces you to go far beyond places and limits you thought you could ever go. The rub for any coach is to have or acquire the ability to recognize not only potential in a player, but also to also know beyond a shadow of a doubt, that a player can fit seamlessly into your program and flourish. Geno has done that.

He has become a master at evaluating surface talent, latent talent, and the external forces (coaches, parents, friends, national ratings or rankings, etc) surrounding a player which have played a major role in their development. This is why Geno a staff will sometimes target a player that is not on the radar of other programs, or pass on one that is projected to be a "can't miss" by national rating/ranking services. It's not a secret what Geno does, or how he does it, yet no one has been able to match the prolonged greatness/success of his program. If it was easy, anyone could/would be doing it. Obviously it isn't.

Tip in - 4 of the 5 players that started today's game of the USA women are UConn alumni (Bird, Taurasi, Charles & Moore). All except Charles (WNBA) has won championships /gold medals at every level: College, WNBA, Olympics. UConn continuously turns out some of the best players in the country. This is not by accident or coincidence, It's by design.
A trend that will no doubt continue as long as Geno is at UConn. Go Huskies.
 

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MarieYLee- - ND obviously "worked hard" but not at the fanatical level Geno & staff has his players go at every minute every day at practice! There are different levels of working hard and Geno and UCONN are at a different level than any other Div. I program! The proof is in the 11 Championships to 1 at ND!
Doris Burke said it best, "UCONN just out works every other program! No one even comes close!"
Following his team's loss to UConn, Oregon State Head Coach Scott Rueck said,"I don't think it's a question whether they get the best players or not, I think they get the best players that they want. That team is built with not only extremely talented players but they're built with high character players and there is a maturity in that program, and I don't think they put up with a lot of nonsense."

Very insightful words, I thought. Although the bit about "nonsense" leaves a lot of room for interpretation.
 
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Following his team's loss to UConn, Oregon State Head Coach Scott Rueck said,"I don't think it's a question whether they get the best players or not, I think they get the best players that they want. That team is built with not only extremely talented players but they're built with high character players and there is a maturity in that program, and I don't think they put up with a lot of nonsense."

Very insightful words, I thought. Although the bit about "nonsense" leaves a lot of room for interpretation.


Hope- - -Good quote from a great young coach! He might have been referring to CD's rules about frills, etc. that other coaches allow and come back to bite athlete & team! Such as tweet, public media, etc.
I also think Coach Rueck quote is a dig at Brenda "miss lockeroom speech" Frese! She's always complaining that UCONN only wins because they get the best athletes and Geno doesn't have to coach!
 

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He might have been referring to CD's rules about frills, etc. that other coaches allow and come back to bite athlete & team! Such as tweet, public media, etc.
This appears to be a very common myth about UCONN WCBB-specifically that other teams don't have or enforce similar rules. I also struggle to think of an example where either the rule itself or lack of a rule has come back to "bite an athlete & team". UCONN players are generally very articulate in the public media, but that is not the result of a rule. It is a by product of recruiting the right kids, providing a great mentor (CD infinitely better than Geno IMO) and lots of opportunity to be in the spotlight and learn from teammates. Sure Gabby has to get her tattoos covered at game time and Stephanie was never going to be allowed purple hair while at UCONN & KLS can't roll her shorts (aka A'ja Wilson Way) like she does in practice and used to in HS. Does any of that effect how they play? Effecting play is the only 'bite" that I would be concerned about.
 
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IMO the flop calls by the refs that resulted in fouls on UConn which is no longer were YES bad calls.

Ain't no loser like a sore loser.

This reminds me of the TN fans of the 00s who always had some excuse to delegitimize UConn's wins.
 

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Ain't no loser like a sore loser.

This reminds me of the TN fans of the 00s who always had some excuse to delegitimize UConn's wins.
Kinda funny that the refs dont call the flops anymore. I have to wonder why they dont call a flop a foul???? I think I was on to something and your response well..... lets not go there.
 

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MarieYLee- - ND obviously "worked hard" but not at the fanatical level Geno & staff has his players go at every minute every day at practice! There are different levels of working hard and Geno and UCONN are at a different level than any other Div. I program! The proof is in the 11 Championships to 1 at ND!
Doris Burke said it best, "UCONN just out works every other program! No one even comes close!"

It's ungracious and probably flat out wrong to suggest that the ND squad works less hard than that of UConn.
During the period of ND dominance, they clearly had less overall talent, yet still prevailed.
Let's give them credit for their superlative accomplishment.
 

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*If* ND is able to beat UConn in the next few years, I'm sure we will find that the refs have started calling flops again.

Mabrey2 and Ogunbowale are both players that actively seek out contact and try to draw fouls when driving. Marina got some calls this year at which even I raised an eyebrow. It's not some grand conspiracy to help ND. It's just the way the game is played, pretty much at all levels.
 

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While there may be some truth in this, with no disrespect intended, there is a fair amount of presumption in it as well. I yield to no one in my admiration for UConn coaching, but....

1. Every athlete wants to win championships. So, by the above logic, no recruited player should ever turn down UConn, or, if they do, they don't really want to win championships but value even more something "lesser" instead: more immediate playing time, more individual glory, or they are afraid of Geno's reputation for toughness. Those are speculative reasons: we can't read what's in their hearts. Of course, many of them decide ostensibly to play closer to home or prefer some aspect of that school, but they have almost certainly convinced themselves that they can have that while at the same time competing for championships. Elite high school players will rarely surrender at least the dream of winning a national championship.
2. Many athletes double down on their dreams by wanting also to slay the giant. I suspect (I can't know) that's one very important reason why a great number of UConn recruits choose instead to go to UConn's competitors: to fight the great fight in hopes of gaining even greater glory than "just" having yet another jersey number on the wall at Gampel Pavilion. It's like LeBron returning to Cleveland or Phelps dragging himself back into the pool: it's heroic.

Rather than dismissing these players out of hand as wanting something other than championships, another way to look at it is to admire them for taking a different road. And to the current discussion: if Walker chooses to go elsewhere, to my mind at least, it doesn't for one picosecond make her less desirous of winning championships.

I don't think this could've been said any better.
 
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