Waiver Request Denied by NCAA

[Reno]

Dyson graduated. Edwards did not.

I also think it's pretty distasteful to speculate like that about kids who you don't know anything about.

 

[upstater]

I figured there must have been some kind of time constraint. I couldn't figure out any other reason why, given Manuel's history, it wouldn't be at least logical to include him and get his input. And while he didn't interview formallly before Firday, by most accounts he was the preferred candidate for quite a while, so I'm pretty sure there had been at least informal communications with UCONN prior to Friday. And it just seems to me that you build your strongest case, regardless of the NCAA's potential action, and our case would have been that much stronger had we been able to say that we have appointed a new AD who is uniquely experienced in dealing with this issue (oh, and by the way, he's a minority...it never hurts to work ont he white guilt, especially of academics, lol) and then recap his UB experience...

Manuel says he never heard from anyone at UConn until this Friday.

 

[Adios]

http://www.masslive.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/01/armor_player_gavin_edwards_lon.html

"A 2010 graduate of the University of Connecticut, Edwards played for seven games for Anyang KT&G Kites of the Korean Basketball League, averaging 5.1 points and 2.4 rebounds in 7 games."

Just posting. Maybe someone wants to say hello to him in Springfield.

 

[RS9999X]

Dyson graduated. Edwards did not

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The point is the players named in the USA article were not necessarily the issue. It was among the Mandelove (also nemed in the press earlier), Smith and Trice group which are known from earlier press article and among the 3 graduating seniors (Edwards, Dyson, and Robinson) also known from earlier press article.s

An 826 means the score has to be a 38/46. A player returning in the fall is a 4/4----that eliminates 6 players from point deductions. Oh, and I do have Smith and Trice backwards--Trice went to Div I Applachian State meaning he was eligible{3/4). Smith went JUCO and wasn't eligible (2/4) .

 

[upstater]

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The point is the players named in the USA article were not necessarily the issue. It was among the Mandelove (also nemed in the press earlier), Smith and Trice group which are known from earlier press article and among the 3 graduating seniors (Edwards, Dyson, and Robinson) also known from earlier press article.s

An 826 means the score has to be a 38/46. A player returning in the fall is a 4/4----that eliminates 6 players from point deductions. Oh, and I do have Smith and Trice backwards--Trice went to Div I Applachian State meaning he was eligible{3/4). Smith went JUCO and wasn't eligible (2/4) .

The irony may be that though Edwards graduated, he didn't do it in the specified time. so, you get dinged for a bad semester, or leaving early. To begin your career. But leave after freshman year in good standing, you're good. After all, that's the important thing, making it through your freshman year, much more important than, say, graduating after 6.

 

[Reno]

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Oh, and I do have Smith and Trice backwards--Trice went to Div I Applachian State meaning he was eligible{3/4). Smith went JUCO and wasn't eligible (2/4) .

They both transfered to junior colleges (Trice was at Midland College before going to Appalachian State) and actually played each other in the NJCAA National Championship game last season.

http://athletics.csi.edu/custompages/Men's Basketball/20102011/statistics/nation4.htm

 

[huskyjawz]

The irony may be that though Edwards graduated, he didn't do it in the specified time. so, you get dinged for a bad semester, or leaving early. To begin your career. But leave after freshman year in good standing, you're good. After all, that's the important thing, making it through your freshman year, much more important than, say, graduating after 6.

+1

 

[RS9999X]

They both transfered to junior colleges (Trice was at Midland College before going to Appalachian State) and actually played each other in the NJCAA National Championship game last season.

http://athletics.csi.edu/custompages/Men's Basketball/20102011/statistics/nation4.htm

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Trice took the JUCO route to avoid sitting out a year. Smith had to.

>>Rather than sit out a year by transferring immediately to another Division I school, Trice chose junior college. He enrolled at Midland College in Texas and played last season for a team that went 33-4 and played for a national junior-college title.

"A lot of people look down on JuCo players, but the thing is they all play really hard because they want to get to that next level," Trice said. "It made me a lot tougher." <<

>> Former Connecticut guard Darius Smith has joined Eastern Illinois' team following its winter break and will redshirt this season, the school announced on Friday.

Smith signed with the Panthers last spring, but he had to complete classes at a junior college this fall before enrolling at Eastern Illinois <<

 

[freescooter]

The irony may be that though Edwards graduated, he didn't do it in the specified time. so, you get dinged for a bad semester, or leaving early. To begin your career. But leave after freshman year in good standing, you're good. After all, that's the important thing, making it through your freshman year, much more important than, say, graduating after 6.

I don't think that is exactly how it works, first of all. And just because a sports writer refers to someone as a UCONN graduate, doesn't mean he actually graduated...I think the issue is that you can't essentially just play basketball your final semester and never go to class, never take any exams never submit any papers becuase you are "training" for the NBA. That is what the NCAA is trying to get at. What seems to have happend in 2009, 2010 is that guys essentially played basketball, then when the season ended, they simply blew off any academic requirements and went to those various training facilities. Hence ended the semester with incomplete or failing grades. Throw in a couple of transfers who in essence did the same thing and you have a recipe for problems. That you come back later and make things up is a good thing for certain, but you really can't just be at college to play basketball is th epoint. You really do need to take classes at least somewhat seriously. I have no idea whether he ultimately graduated or not, but I recall a report on Stanley saying he hadn't passed a class for over a year when they went to the NCAA Final Four in 2009. He took inclompletes in Spring 2008, took a leave in the fall of2008 and returned for the Fall semester 2009, took a minimum class load and was blowing that off as well...now maybe he caught up and made up everything subsequently. But if that was the kind of crap that went on, it is no wonder that we were in trouble.

 

[huskyjawz]

you're telling me that all of these kentucky one and doners complete their coursework in the spring semester knowing that they are leaving for the nba?

 

[Huskymaniac]

you're telling me that all of these kentucky one and doners complete their coursework in the spring semester knowing that they are leaving for the nba?

First of all, it is up to the school to report if the player was IN THEIR OPINION on track to graduate. For a freshman, there is a lot of wiggle room. Second, one needs to see the "classes" they took. Contrived correspondence courses could be quite easy to complete. The NCAA is a bunch of self-serving idiots. If they weren't, there would be tighter regulations on what would be considered acceptable courses and how many needed to be completed at various points along a player's eligibility.

 

[upstater]

I don't think that is exactly how it works, first of all. And just because a sports writer refers to someone as a UCONN graduate, doesn't mean he actually graduated...I think the issue is that you can't essentially just play basketball your final semester and never go to class, never take any exams never submit any papers becuase you are "training" for the NBA. That is what the NCAA is trying to get at. What seems to have happend in 2009, 2010 is that guys essentially played basketball, then when the season ended, they simply blew off any academic requirements and went to those various training facilities. Hence ended the semester with incomplete or failing grades. Throw in a couple of transfers who in essence did the same thing and you have a recipe for problems. That you come back later and make things up is a good thing for certain, but you really can't just be at college to play basketball is th epoint. You really do need to take classes at least somewhat seriously. I have no idea whether he ultimately graduated or not, but I recall a report on Stanley saying he hadn't passed a class for over a year when they went to the NCAA Final Four in 2009. He took inclompletes in Spring 2008, took a leave in the fall of2008 and returned for the Fall semester 2009, took a minimum class load and was blowing that off as well...now maybe he caught up and made up everything subsequently. But if that was the kind of crap that went on, it is no wonder that we were in trouble.

If you don't think that's how it works, then why does your scenario totally coincide with mine?

Kids leave school for all sorts of reasons, financial problems, deaths in the family, illness, etc. That they come back and finish is a great credit to them, and certainly more honorable than taking the minimum amount of courses in the spring (2) to remain eligible, especially if those courses are fluffy and froshy.

 

[upstater]

First of all, it is up to the school to report if the player was IN THEIR OPINION on track to graduate. For a freshman, there is a lot of wiggle room. Second, one needs to see the "classes" they took. Contrived correspondence courses could be quite easy to complete. The NCAA is a bunch of self-serving idiots. If they weren't, there would be tighter regulations on what would be considered acceptable courses and how many needed to be completed at various points along a player's eligibility.

There could never be tighter regulations because none of this is the NCAA's business. The standards are decided by each school for ALL students. You offer a range of courses, and the students decide. At a certain point, you certainly hope that students would find the proper adviser to guide them toward the major by fulfilling prerequisites. But if a student is certain he is only doing one or two years of college, then yes he can skate through doing practically anything and there really shouldn't be any NCAA input in the matter.

This is why I've always said three factors should come into play:

1. Raise admissions requirements.
2. Insist that students be allowed to take any major/course of study in the university (which is not all that common)
3. Let the students choose.