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WAB (Wins Above Bubble)

1. Michigan 8.7
2. Arizona 8.4
3. Duke 7.8
4. UConn 7.7
5. Nebraska 6.8
6. Houston 6.6
7. Illinois 6.4
8. Kansas 5.9
9. Iowa St. 5.8
10. Purdue 5.6
WHAT - is this really a stat one or the so called metrics? Paralysis by analysis
 
Pretty much lines up with all the brackets have us, holding onto the 4th 1 by a thread and holding off ISU, Houston, Illinois & Nebraska.

Kansas is flying up the metrics, seen them as high as a two seed already.
 
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WHAT - is this really a stat one or the so called metrics? Paralysis by analysis
My eyes bulged out when I saw that, been wondering what it was. Sounds crazy to me also. Can someone explain the significance, and maybe exemplify how it is used?
 
I had posted about WAB a few weeks ago because I didn't focus on it before and didn't really know what it is. In this linked article is a good explanation of how it's calculated.

The NCAA's seeding committee will use Wins Above Bubble (dubbed WAB) for the second year in a row. WAB is all about the resume. What have you done on the court? WAB measures what the average bubble team would have done, and each team is given a boost or a reduction based on the outcome. Missouri can beat Bethune-Cookman by eight or 80; the final score does not matter.

How is this calculated? Simple math. The average bubble team is given a 95% chance of beating Bethune-Cookman at home. WAB is calculated from the gap between the projected win percentage and the actual win number of 1.0. Since Missouri won, it was given 0.05 WAB for that victory. If it had lost, it would have been a -0.95 WAB in the ledger.


Here is a website that tracks WAB if you ever want to see where teams are:

 
The goal post is about to move. Just wait.
Check out the other metrics.

NET - 8
KP - 8

Those would suggest a low two seed. Our WAB and resume value are keeping us as the last one. Zero room for error. We should be Purdue fans today.
 
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Bracket Matrix has us as the only 1 seed not unanimous, but still way closer to the other 1s than we are to top 2 seed Houston. We got some room right now, but little margin for error
 
I had posted about WAB a few weeks ago because I didn't focus on it before and didn't really know what it is. In this linked article is a good explanation of how it's calculated.

The NCAA's seeding committee will use Wins Above Bubble (dubbed WAB) for the second year in a row. WAB is all about the resume. What have you done on the court? WAB measures what the average bubble team would have done, and each team is given a boost or a reduction based on the outcome. Missouri can beat Bethune-Cookman by eight or 80; the final score does not matter.

How is this calculated? Simple math. The average bubble team is given a 95% chance of beating Bethune-Cookman at home. WAB is calculated from the gap between the projected win percentage and the actual win number of 1.0. Since Missouri won, it was given 0.05 WAB for that victory. If it had lost, it would have been a -0.95 WAB in the ledger.


Here is a website that tracks WAB if you ever want to see where teams are:

So Bethune Cookman will determine Uconn's seeding?
 
Is there a reason why “wins above bubble” is anything more complicated than a team’s projected win total minus 20? Lol
 
Bracket Matrix has us as the only 1 seed not unanimous, but still way closer to the other 1s than we are to top 2 seed Houston. We got some room right now, but little margin for error
Very little, honestly not sure we'll have anything more than 1 more loss little. We simply have no way to make up for it. And I don't think we can lose that StJ game. Getting swept by another team is a pretty strong suggestion.
 
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So Bethune Cookman will determine Uconn's seeding?
It doesn’t seem like you’re trying to understand the metric. The basic idea is that it assesses the quality of a team’s wins, rather than the quality of a team’s performance, which is what predictive metrics like Ken Pomeroy’s rankings do. The baseline is what a a hypothetical average bubble team would do. I think we all understand that a road win against Kansas means a whole more than a home win against New Haven; this is just one way to quantify it. According to this, an average bubble team would have had a 13% chance to win at Kansas. Our win there counts as 0.87 WAB. An average bubble team would have had a 99% chance at beating New Haven, so our win was 0.01 WAB.

Now, one could quibble with the probabilities, or with the definition of an average bubble team. To me, this is better than the quad system which is a bit arbitrary and is less precise in measuring the quality of a win.

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If you click “Show Available WAB“, it sorts by most available WAB remaining. We’re 72nd with 2.94, which makes sense with our remaining schedule. I don’t doubt that we’ll take care of business the rest of the way, but we have more opportunities for bad losses than we do for good wins. Thanks, Big East.

 
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It doesn’t seem like you’re trying to understand the metric. The basic idea is that it assesses the quality of a team’s wins, rather than the quality of a team’s performance, which is what predictive metrics like Ken Pomeroy’s rankings do. The baseline is what a a hypothetical average bubble team would do. I think we all understand that a road win against Kansas means a whole more than a home win against New Haven; this is just one way to quantify it. According to this, an average bubble team would have had a 13% chance to win at Kansas. Our win there counts as 0.87 WAB. An average bubble team would have had a 99% chance at beating New Haven, so our win was 0.01 WAB.

Now, one could quibble with the probabilities, or with the definition of an average bubble team. To me, this is better than the quad system which is a bit arbitrary and is less precise in measuring the quality of a win.

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So how is the % determined? Is it a bunch of monkeys at a keyboard?
 
It doesn’t seem like you’re trying to understand the metric. The basic idea is that it assesses the quality of a team’s wins, rather than the quality of a team’s performance, which is what predictive metrics like Ken Pomeroy’s rankings do. The baseline is what a a hypothetical average bubble team would do. I think we all understand that a road win against Kansas means a whole more than a home win against New Haven; this is just one way to quantify it. According to this, an average bubble team would have had a 13% chance to win at Kansas. Our win there counts as 0.87 WAB. An average bubble team would have had a 99% chance at beating New Haven, so our win was 0.01 WAB.

Now, one could quibble with the probabilities, or with the definition of an average bubble team. To me, this is better than the quad system which is a bit arbitrary and is less precise in measuring the quality of a win.

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I think the key word is Hypothetical.
 
So how is the % determined? Is it a bunch of monkeys at a keyboard?
I honestly don’t know the exact details. But any number of sites give win probabilities for individual matchups. Even if the baseline for comparison differed, this metric should be similar in relative ranking. It doesn’t have to be perfect to provide useful information about a team, as long as nobody uses it as the only measure. Since it is impossible to watch every team play every game, mixing in WAB, along with something like KenPom, paints a more complete picture of a team‘s performance and overall talent level than W-L record or a subjective AP poll ranking.
 
Is there a reason why “wins above bubble” is anything more complicated than a team’s projected win total minus 20? Lol
Last year for our schedule it was 20.7 wins expected for the bubble team. But for Auburn in the record breaking SEC+Maui, it was only 15.3 wins expected for a bubble team against that schedule.
 
So how is the % determined? Is it a bunch of monkeys at a keyboard?
The win percentage for each game is set by the NET ratings of the opponents on your schedule and the strength of the hypothetical baseline (which I believe for the NCAA's version is set by the average strength of the historical 45th team in the NET), which get plugged into a common win probability formula tuned to college basketball.
 
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The win percentage for each game is set by the NET ratings of the opponents on your schedule and the strength of the hypothetical baseline (which I believe for the NCAA's version is set by the average strength of the historical 45th team in the NET), which get plugged into a common win probability formula tuned to college basketball.
Thx...so it's all based on the NET. So if the Net is a flawed metric, everything that's based on it is also flawed.

So they are playing with NET metrics in a different way

BTW, you must be statistician or actuary with all your data information....Thanks for simplifying for us neanderthals!
 

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