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Villanova Fires Kyle Neptune

Leebo said:
Going by torvik rankings, Neptune's worst year was his first season, where Villanova was 61st.
Ollie had 3 seasons worse than that, 2015 (85th), 2017 (90th), and 2018 (185th), so I don't see why it's that ridiculous. I guess your point is that AAC records look deceptively okay?

If anything, Neptune is a bit unlucky that his merely "meh" seasons have felt so god awful. If he had had about the same torvik ranking but without the atrocious losses, maybe he'd be around still.
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This post is entirely devoid of context.
 
navery12 said:
The rumors are they'll target Ryan Odom which opens up the VCU job for Kimani
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My other school. It’s the only place I’d be good with. 2011 was awesome!!! Kinda full circle as Shaka was on our short list at one time and probably still is. Who do we bring in to continue the nyc/tristate recruiting pool? I’ve always been open to vcu joining the big east too. Bring back temple as well. They may be down but they’re a good b-ball school and it adds to the nova experience.
 
husky429 said:
Looking back and saying "well we won a natty so Calhoun was right" isn't going to help your case. We could play what if's all day. Maybe we hire Shaka and win 3 nattys. Maybe we hire some other schlub and never crack the top-100. No one knows.

What we do know is KO was completely unqualified in every way. Plain and simple.
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I understand your point but disagree with using Shaka Smart as an example of someone who could win, as you say, "three nattys". It's a pet peeve just like Tex Schram with the Cowboys. The media kept hyping his draft choices from fifteen years before as the team was failing to make the playoffs. Shaka seems similar.

He's a gentleman, seems to recruit nice kids who seem to love him, but his success the last two years was based on the play of two kids he didn't recruit: Kolek and Ighodaro.

And, if you look at his performance at VCU, Texas and Marquette a pattern seems to emerge. He does better early, possibly an indication he can manage a roster but doesn't recruit well or recruit the right players.

He got to the Final Four his first year at VCU then tailed off. Texas was a disaster as he was one and done the three times he made the tournament and didn't make it his other three years.

While his trend is good at Marquette, I could argue the team improved as Kolek and Ighodaro improved. Now they're gone and he's losing Jones, Mitchell and Joplin. I don't see them going far this year and next year could be a downer.

After the FF:
2012 VCU--Round of 32
2013 VCU--Round of 32
2014 VCU--One and done
2015 VCU--One and done
2016 Texas--One and done
2018 Texas--One and done
2021 Texas--One and done
2022 Marquette--One and done
2023 Marquette--Round of 32
2024 Marquette--Sweet Sixteen
 
Zissou said:
I’m not sure Jay picked Neptune
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A colleague of mine, has a brother whose cousin’s best friend’s sister’s love child’s former college roommate’s father, who owns a car wash - apparently this guy is on the board of Nova, he also tweets a lot, but i was told by this person that Neptune was not Jay Wright’s first choice.

On a siriass note, i do have a colleague - nova grad who has friends in the nova athletic department and he told me that Neptune was not Wright’s first choice.
 
The league is a shadow of itself compared to 25 years ago so let's hope we see some leadership from Val and that the Villanova Board of Trustees is committed to winning. Maybe remind them what St. John's did in just two years.

Val should be all over this reminding Villanova the league's credibility regarding getting teams chosen for the tournament and its ability to generate media revenue is dependent on the member schools all being somewhat competitive and the desirability of having five or six name programs leading the way.

They were one of them the past ten years.......until the Neptune hire. They, and to some extent the league, can't afford a second massive failure so they should be going for a successful mid-major coach over some high level league assistant.
 
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We need Nova to be good for the sake of this conference. Besides us, Nova is really the only other big brand, Pitino/NYC buzz of late has helped St Johns. But UConn and Nova run this conference.
 
Looks like Kevin Willard is going to use the Villanova vacancy into goading Maryland into giving him a contract in the top 10 of all MBB coach contracts.

I wouldn't include Willard in my top 25 of coaches. I get that timing is everything, but this reeks of Maryland being afraid of what's behind door #2.
 
EnochRoot said:
Looks like Kevin Willard is going to use the Villanova vacancy into goading Maryland into giving him a contract in the top 10 of all MBB coach contracts.

I wouldn't include Willard in my top 25 of coaches. I get that timing is everything, but this reeks of Maryland being afraid of what's behind door #2.
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Willard also knows Villanova has more NIL than Maryland. Regardless he needs a big run this year to have any leverage.

He’s been nothing short of mid.
 
Latest word is Kevin Willard open to Nova, doesn’t like the travel in the B10.
 
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Scrutineer said:
I understand your point but disagree with using Shaka Smart as an example of someone who could win, as you say, "three nattys". It's a pet peeve just like Tex Schram with the Cowboys. The media kept hyping his draft choices from fifteen years before as the team was failing to make the playoffs. Shaka seems similar.

He's a gentleman, seems to recruit nice kids who seem to love him, but his success the last two years was based on the play of two kids he didn't recruit: Kolek and Ighodaro.

And, if you look at his performance at VCU, Texas and Marquette a pattern seems to emerge. He does better early, possibly an indication he can manage a roster but doesn't recruit well or recruit the right players.

He got to the Final Four his first year at VCU then tailed off. Texas was a disaster as he was one and done the three times he made the tournament and didn't make it his other three years.

While his trend is good at Marquette, I could argue the team improved as Kolek and Ighodaro improved. Now they're gone and he's losing Jones, Mitchell and Joplin. I don't see them going far this year and next year could be a downer.

After the FF:
2012 VCU--Round of 32
2013 VCU--Round of 32
2014 VCU--One and done
2015 VCU--One and done
2016 Texas--One and done
2018 Texas--One and done
2021 Texas--One and done
2022 Marquette--One and done
2023 Marquette--Round of 32
2024 Marquette--Sweet Sixteen
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The point is it's a hypothetical and we have no idea what could have happened. Do you understand how a thought experiment works?

All you posted is irrelevant. I just used Shaka's name because it was said around here a lot at the time.
 
EROCK CONN said:
On a siriass note, i do have a colleague - nova grad who has friends in the nova athletic department and he told me that Neptune was not Wright’s first choice.
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This has been a common perception since the hire.
 
EROCK CONN said:
On a siriass note, i do have a colleague - nova grad who has friends in the nova athletic department and he told me that Neptune was not Wright’s first choice.
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Baker Dunleavy, .480ish head coaching record with Quinnipiac, another enticing choice. /s
 
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Scoe said:
Alterique Gilbert was a McDonald's all American, still got Daniel Hamilton, and Purvis to transfer, he was still getting talent, of course not at the level if we were still in the BE. It was a hell hole of a conference and Ollie fell off both things can be true.
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A hell hole of a conference got a #1 seed this year. I still do not believe the issue was the conference. It was the head coach.
 
I just don’t understand the interest in this Neptune thread with 8K views. It’s Novafor Chrissakes.
 
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Scoe said:
So Calhoun is responsible for what Ollie did years later? Hey at least we can say we won a title with a failed coach.
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Failed coach? Last I checked Ollie had multiple NCAA tournament appearances, a NCAA National Title and an overall winning record as a head coach. The last 2 years of his tenure were difficult for a number of reasons. This doesn't include his record as a player and Assistant Coach for the Huskies.
 
jibsey said:
I just don’t understand the interest in this Neptune thread with 8K views. It’s Novafor Chrissakes.
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"Novafor Chrissakes"

With better timing, this could have been your "Fort the Ead" moment. Instead, it might be a good time to close the thread.

Why? All the side matters that provide answers to your wondering about "Why 8k views?" will show up again in subsequent threads as they re-invigorate interest.
 
Boost'ED said:
So true.


I don't know why Collins is a viable candidate for Villanova?

He's been a .500 coach for his career.


Yes, I understand it's Northwestern but consider we're talking about the B10 (overrated conference).

He's been there 11 years, and you would think somebody would have poached him by now,


Odom is a much better candidate.
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Northwestern suffers the same challenges as Vanderbilt, Rice, now Georgetown and even Stanford. Kids have to cut it academically. I like Collins.
 
Ewekon said:
Northwestern suffers the same challenges as Vanderbilt, Rice, now Georgetown and even Stanford. Kids have to cut it academically. I like Collins.
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Isn't Stanford the school that has to have you admitted before you can get a scholarship? I don't think the other schools you mentioned are as stringent with their academic requirements for athletes.
 
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