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Vic Schaefer pulls off another shocker

southie said:
Neither was Texas. Stanford returned 4 starters; Texas returned its least-heralded two 2 starters.
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I hope my post didn't come across as me trying undermine their win. I just know that Vic's relentless defense usually makes it hard for the opposing team's offense to succeed without strong PG play. What Texas did with a lot new pieces was nothing short of incredible but I come to expect it, due to the respect I have for their coach and how he's able to get the most out of his players.
 
Gamecockfan77 said:
I had them 18th in my preseason poll. They'll be higher next week.
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They play next Sunday at Tennessee. A loss there could perhaps limit how high they rise in the rankings (speaking in general, not of your individual choice).
 
Welp. Everyone is supposed to be happy of the newfound parity in WCBB - of elite talent being shared and spread about to various points on the land. The only TRUE way for "parity" to have any meaning, is for top teams to start falling by the wayside. Not get totally replaced, but not constantly go 40-0 on their seasons. We were wondering if there would be ANY team this season that goes undefeated by the time the championship game is played. This may be the rumblings of the answer.....
 
GCKSFN4L said:
I hope my post didn't come across as me trying undermine their win. I just know that Vic's relentless defense usually makes it hard for the opposing team's offense to succeed without strong PG play. What Texas did with a lot new pieces was nothing short of incredible but I come to expect it, due to the respect I have for their coach and how he's able to get the most out of his players.
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It didn't. You were less surprised than I was with the outcome of the game. I didn't think we would win a game at Stanford so early in the season. If it was a month from now, I would have given us a better chance at winning.
 
TheFarmFan said:
Well I think both can be true at once: Stanford can be the Empire but the absence of Kiana Williams can nevertheless be our Death Star exhaust port. Damn that former Ole' Miss. (State) rebel coach for knowing how to exploit our Achilles' heel! ;)
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To me, offense has not been one of Stanford's strengths for some time now: Tara seems to depend upon defense and (too heavily in my view) a go-to scorer when things get tight. Williams was the latter for the past couple of years now; before that, if I remember correctly, it was Alana Smith and, before Alana, Brittany McPhee. This year's replacement (for Williams)? Jones is the obvious choice, especially given her ceiling and play in last year's tournament, but the Jones we saw today looked to me like the Jones of her freshman year and last year's regular season: not as assertive as one would hope, too many turnovers, etc., etc. Maybe Lexie Hull can fulfill that function, since no one would ever accuse her of being too passive, but she's also inconsistent. In any case, I think one or the other needs to step up if Stanford is to be the team most of us thought they'd be.
 
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Stanford shot very poorly from 3-pt land today. Had Stanford hit a few more wide-open 3's, probably a different outcome. Not taking anything away from Texas. Long Horns flat out beat Stanford today. I suspect Stanford will fix a few glaring problems from today's game: 1. Better playmaking from the point, 2. Better 3-point shooting, 3. Defending the high ball screen.
 
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Plebe said:
They play next Sunday at Tennessee. A loss there could perhaps limit how high they rise in the rankings (speaking in general, not of your individual choice).
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Yes it would considering how Tennessee has looked. Will both teams get out of the 40s? Not so sure.
 
LoTrader said:
Stanford shot very poorly from 3-pt land today. Had Stanford hit a few more wide-open 3's, probably a different outcome. Not taking anything away from Texas. Long Horns flat out beat Stanford today. I suspect Stanford will fix a few glaring problems from today's game: 1. Better playmaking from the point, 2. Better 3-point shooting, 3. Defending the high ball screen.
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For sure. Stanford launched 27 three-pointers today, and 7 of them (most of any player) were by their 6'5 post player Ashton Prechtel. Like seriously? Get yourself down low and use your size and strength to score 2-foot baskets.
 
southie said:
For sure. Stanford launched 27 three-pointers today, and 7 of them (most of any player) were by their 6'5 post player Ashton Prechtel. Like seriously? Get yourself down low and use your size and strength to score 2-foot baskets.
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Have you not watched Stanford before? Shooting 3's is Prechtel's specialty. They have other post players who can post up. Prechtel pretty much won them the Regional Final against Louisville last year w/ her perimeter shooting.
 
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nwhoopfan said:
Have you not watched Stanford before? Shooting 3's is Prechtel's specialty. They have other post players who can post up. Prechtel pretty much won them the Regional Final against Louisville last year w/ her perimeter shooting.
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Did they play today? How'd they do? Texas basically played one post player for extended minutes, and Stanford didn't take advantage of the many mismatches they should have had down low all game long. Texas with 24 points in the paint (only 8 by players over 6'0) to Stanford's 22 points.
 
southie said:
Did they play today? How'd they do? Texas basically played one post player for extended minutes, and Stanford didn't take advantage of the many mismatches they should have had down low all game long. Texas with 24 points in the paint (only 8 by players over 6'0) to Stanford's 22 points.
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Brink started off drawing fouls, but missed half of her FTs. She disappeared later. Belibi was in there for a while, don't think she did much either. I understand if a player is 6-5 you'd think they should try posting up, but that's not really her strength. They can always go w/ Jerome, a 6-3 player who shoots almost exclusively from deep.

Maybe it's a Pac 12 thing. 6-7 Sedona Prince (I know you know her, from her stop over in Austin) is more of a perimeter than interior player, 6-9 Nancy Mulkey isn't exactly a monster on the block from what I've seen so far.
 
TheFarmFan said:
Newsworthy at all is what I'm saying: the defending national champ suffers a rather surprising upset at home and we didn't even get a write-up!

And since 2014 Stanford's won titles in men's golf, men's gymnastics (x2), men's soccer (x3), men's water polo, women's basketball, women's golf, women's soccer (x2), women's swimming (x3), women's tennis (x3), women's volleyball (x3), and women's water polo (x3). We're a lot more than water polo and tennis, and my point is simply that you'd think a school that won this much would get more (any?) media attention. I'm confident if we were located in Stamford, CT, it'd be an entirely different kind of coverage. And yet UConn gets more ESPN coverage for women's basketball than Stanford gets for all its sports combined.
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I think thou doth protest a bit too much. No doubt, Stanford has the overall best sports program in the country. I’m a UVA fan and I know that their target is to replicate what Stanford does. But the reality is that most of the sports you mention don’t get national attention. Football and basketball do. Baseball and soccer to a lesser extent.

I don’t know that ESPN being located in CT has anything to do with UConn athletics. And I doubt that Stanford athletics would get appreciably more coverage were Stanford located in CT. The reality is that UConn basketball is unique to the sports world over the past 25 years… and therein lies their publicity.

All that being said, I was surprised to see that Paige’s 34 points got more attention than Stanford’s upset loss. That was wrong.
 
nwhoopfan said:
They had a player from Syracuse as their go to scorer? Now that's some amazing coaching. :rolleyes: McPhee perhaps.
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oops. My mistake (obviously). Yes, McPhee. I'll edit the post.
 
southie said:
For sure. Stanford launched 27 three-pointers today, and 7 of them (most of any player) were by their 6'5 post player Ashton Prechtel. Like seriously? Get yourself down low and use your size and strength to score 2-foot baskets.
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I don't like to discuss this, ha.
 
SimpleDawg said:
Main thing is Vic's contributors are always instant emergers. Jackson, Bibby, Howard, Danberry, Matharu. They didn't need much time before they became highlights (in their first year). I dunno about Celeste Taylor or Kyra Lambert, but my eyes tell me that Matharu and Harmon are more impressive players and there's probably actually an upgrade at the guard position for Texas tho they may lose a bit from the frontcourt with the loss of Collier.
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I think Taylor was a recruit from the Aston period and Lambert was a transfer he recruited in from Duke. Technically you could say that they weren't players he identified, but leveraged well in his system last season.
 
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VA Huskie said:
I think thou doth protest a bit too much. No doubt, Stanford has the overall best sports program in the country. I’m a UVA fan and I know that their target is to replicate what Stanford does. But the reality is that most of the sports you mention don’t get national attention. Football and basketball do. Baseball and soccer to a lesser extent.

I don’t know that ESPN being located in CT has anything to do with UConn athletics. And I doubt that Stanford athletics would get appreciably more coverage were Stanford located in CT. The reality is that UConn basketball is unique to the sports world over the past 25 years… and therein lies their publicity.

All that being said, I was surprised to see that Paige’s 34 points got more attention than Stanford’s upset loss. That was wrong.
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Wasn't ESPN first in Bristol in like the 80s? That's like a decade well before UConn's women's program even became prominent. I don't know how that can be a possible link.
 
cancontent said:
I think Taylor was a recruit from the Aston period and Lambert was a transfer he recruited in from Duke. Technically you could say that they weren't players he identified, but leveraged well in his system last season.
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Coach Schaefer has always been an effort guy first. Honestly it was only until his last couple of years at Mississippi State that he was able to get highly ranked players. Both Teaira McCowan and Victoria Vivians were ranked decently high, especially McCowan. However both had the advantage of playing with a chip on their shoulders from some perceived slight. McCowan had grade issues and I’m still not certain as to why Vivians was not more highly publicized. However his last year at Mississippi State he was having to deal with some of the headaches that come along with these highly ranked classes. He will do everything he can to get the best players but once they are on campus it’s either his way or the highway. He does not care if they win 1-0 as long as they win.
 
nwhoopfan said:
Brink started off drawing fouls, but missed half of her FTs. She disappeared later. Belibi was in there for a while, don't think she did much either. I understand if a player is 6-5 you'd think they should try posting up, but that's not really her strength. They can always go w/ Jerome, a 6-3 player who shoots almost exclusively from deep.

Maybe it's a Pac 12 thing. 6-7 Sedona Prince (I know you know her, from her stop over in Austin) is more of a perimeter than interior player, 6-9 Nancy Mulkey isn't exactly a monster on the block from what I've seen so far.
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That's kind of my point. Stanford failing to establish an inside game with its post players, and its 3-point shooting being unusually miserable, is a huge reason why they lost the game. But, no second-half adjustments seemed to have been made; just kept bombing away from beyond the arc.
 
One point about Matharu. She seemed like Vic’s next Itty Bitty at Miss State, then transferred to follow him. She played on a loaded Bishop McNamara team along with Jakia Brown-Turner (NC State) and Madison Scott (Ole Miss) in the DC area. A major opponent was Paul VI, who had Mimi Collins (Tennessee/Maryland), Ashley Owusu (Maryland), and Honesty Scott-Grayson (Baylor et al.). But the league champions were St. John’s with Carly Rivera (Columbia), Malu Tschinge-Mutombo (UNC), and our very own Azzi Fudd. I saw Matharu a couple of times and was very impressed.
 
cancontent said:
Wasn't ESPN first in Bristol in like the 80s? That's like a decade well before UConn's women's program even became prominent. I don't know how that can be a possible link.
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This is off topic but I think it no doubt helped UConn they were located in the backyard of ESPN, for both it's basketball programs.

ESPN publicized the Big East basketball gang early on and geography population density and the success of the programs fueled one another. Their men's programming was years ahead of the women's teams and the old school Big East had some amazing programs during that era.

The infamous 1995 MLK day matchup was created by ESPN to televise. UConn was an ascendent program with success from the previous year and no doubt was going to be a major contender. UNC wanted a home game. ESPN apparently wasn't interested in going to Chapel Hill for whatever reason. If ESPN was doing it purely for the best interest of the game they would have easily gone to Chapel Hill, who were the defending national champions, and followed UConn there. For whatever reason the game was to be played in Storrs so UT agreed to make it happen.

UConn's program didn't become successful because of the location of ESPN but I won't pretend that it wasn't a mutually beneficial relationship for both during those formative years.
 
militarydog said:
Coach Schaefer has always been an effort guy first. Honestly it was only until his last couple of years at Mississippi State that he was able to get highly ranked players. Both Teaira McCowan and Victoria Vivians were ranked decently high, especially McCowan. However both had the advantage of playing with a chip on their shoulders from some perceived slight. McCowan had grade issues and I’m still not certain as to why Vivians was not more highly publicized. However his last year at Mississippi State he was having to deal with some of the headaches that come along with these highly ranked classes. He will do everything he can to get the best players but once they are on campus it’s either his way or the highway. He does not care if they win 1-0 as long as they win.
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Vivians likely didn't get any benefit of the doubt being from a tiny, rural high school in Mississippi. Recruiting rankings would tend to favor those programs in large areas or players who were able to get on AAU teams that would be highly visible. That's always my tendency to think why Vivians didn't get on more radars but she allegedly picked MSU over Louisville, which had already reached some pretty high level of success.

Vic will continue to do great things at Texas as long as he can get players to buy into his system. I don't really know what was going on his final year at MSU but they certainly played well enough to be in the finals of the SEC tournament and would have been a host seed in the NCAA tournament.
 
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MSSportsGuy said:
This is off topic but I think it no doubt helped UConn they were located in the backyard of ESPN, for both it's basketball programs.

ESPN publicized the Big East basketball gang early on and geography population density and the success of the programs fueled one another. Their men's programming was years ahead of the women's teams and the old school Big East had some amazing programs during that era.

The infamous 1995 MLK day matchup was created by ESPN to televise. UConn was an ascendent program with success from the previous year and no doubt was going to be a major contender. UNC wanted a home game. ESPN apparently wasn't interested in going to Chapel Hill for whatever reason. If ESPN was doing it purely for the best interest of the game they would have easily gone to Chapel Hill, who were the defending national champions, and followed UConn there. For whatever reason the game was to be played in Storrs so UT agreed to make it happen.

UConn's program didn't become successful because of the location of ESPN but I won't pretend that it wasn't a mutually beneficial relationship for both during those formative years.
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Appreciate the clarification. Some of the earlier comments threw me off. I remember the Big East connection as that helped ESPN and the Big East when they started up.

Proximity is definitely a benefit but what network wouldn't try to do the same if it gets them ratings? I see it as no different to sports media fawning over the same players every year even though there are others just as good, or possibly better but not getting the attention.
 
militarydog said:
Coach Schaefer has always been an effort guy first. Honestly it was only until his last couple of years at Mississippi State that he was able to get highly ranked players. Both Teaira McCowan and Victoria Vivians were ranked decently high, especially McCowan. However both had the advantage of playing with a chip on their shoulders from some perceived slight. McCowan had grade issues and I’m still not certain as to why Vivians was not more highly publicized. However his last year at Mississippi State he was having to deal with some of the headaches that come along with these highly ranked classes. He will do everything he can to get the best players but once they are on campus it’s either his way or the highway. He does not care if they win 1-0 as long as they win.
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What headaches are you talking about?
 
SimpleDawg said:
What headaches are you talking about?
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He spoke about it in a few of the post game press conferences his final two years. Basically he stated that in his previous squads he would recruit players that were good at something such as defense or setting screens or something that would contribute to the team success. He said that he was having difficulty getting a player who is used to being the main scorer to accept certain roles that were needed for the overall success of the team but might be considered the dirty work.
 
Vic's success makes me wonder who A&M is going to hire.


They won't let themselves be outspent, so some headline coach is gonna get a heck of an offer.
 
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