Vic Schaefer pulls off another shocker

[southie]

I think Vic will get many of the top players that Kim attracted to Baylor in talent rich TX, plus TX is a great academic school that can pull in the type of kids that ND or Duke get.

TX came very close to getting Megan Walker. If TX starts winning Big 12 titles under Vic and going deep in the tournament, they will be on the radar of a lot of top recruits.

I hope you are right. Still have to fight Kim as she didn't move to far, and already plucking Texas talent to head to LSU.

Pretty much only have this season and next season to try and win a Big 12 title. Texas going to the SEC in a couple of years will also help recruiting, IMO, as we'll be involved in more marquee games of interest (South Carolina, LSU, Texas A&M, etc.)

 

[southie]

3 words my friend SEC football money

Texas has ALWAYS had money, and even more than the SEC schools have been making until just the last year or two. Trust me, lack of money is not why Texas isn't winning more (in many sports).

 

[Plebe]

God bless Saint Vic but his dribble, dribble, dribble, pound the ball into the hardwood offense is tough to watch. He will have some success but I do wonder whether really good offensive players will choose to play for him.

It's a fair question, but he managed to convince a top-10 recruit like Rickea Jackson to move from Detroit to Starkville. And now he has Harmon, Moore and Hunter in this UT freshman class, who by all indications are capable offensive talents.

 

[jchusky]

Texas has ALWAYS had money, and even more than the SEC schools have been making until just the last year or two. Trust me, lack of money is not why Texas isn't winning more (in many sports).

but you never had the hc imo that could lift you over the top, also there was always Kim Mulkey standing in the way of you. Now she has left the state, I feel that is a big advantage for you. A&M hc I believe retires or retired so that's another big chip off the block gone.

 

[MSUFan2003]

Yes and no. How does Vic convince the cream of the crop to come to Texas instead of UConn, Stanford, South Carolina, Notre Dame, and Baylor who have all won national titles recently? Getting to the Elite 8 last season unexpectedly, and beating #3 Stanford helps. But, without those milestones, it's a tough mountain to climb

Vic got some top recruits to come to State, so I think he will be fine at Texas. I'm never really shocked when Vic knocks off a team he wasn't supposed to. He's usually very good at making in game adjustments. His offenses are not pretty, but he finds ways to win.

 

[southie]

but you never had the hc imo that could lift you over the top, also there was always Kim Mulkey standing in the way of you. Now she has left the state, I feel that is a big advantage for you. A&M hc I believe retires or retired so that's another big chip off the block gone.

Lots of change happening at Texas, and around Texas. Regardless, Vic winning games last season against UCLA and Maryland to get to the elite 8, and winning at #3 Stanford today is more important than all that's happening off the court.

Going to the SEC in a couple of years, and opening a brand new basketball arena and practice facility prior to the 2022-23 season are huge selling points for Vic's program; but, again, not as important as winning on the court now, IMO.

 

[Plebe]

Well, I had Texas appropriately ranked after all. Maybe too low actually?

Good coaches don't often go backwards.

Ha well I have to admit I didn't have them ranked at all, which was obviously too low Not because I didn't think they would become a top 25 team over the season, but I didn't think they'd start out ready to knock off this caliber of opponent.

 

[TheFarmFan]

Somehow, Texas has won 3 of its last 4 against Stanford, including both at Stanford.

This. I had a bad feeling about this game for three reasons, two of which are effectively superstitions (but proved to be true):

1. Texas has recently had great success against Stanford, even during the Aston era, and even when playing on the Farm.

2. Vic knows how to beat Tara's teams; he was the architect of Texas A&M's final four upset in 2011, with full court press defense and one on one offense. HIs style of play just naturally gives a Tara-coached team fits.

3. We often disappoint in early-season games on ESPN. Not sure why, but I bet we're sub-.500 on games on ESPN before March when we're the higher ranked team. It's to the point where I groan when I realize a game is going to be on ESPN.

Though I'm disappointed, I'm not surprised. Williams' stat lines were always quieter than her impact on our team, because she was a steadying influence, she could go one on one when the game required it, and she could go into hero ball bailout mode when no one else was stepping up, especially against upset-minded teams. Several of our games against Colorado, and our squeaker against Cal Baptist in Canada, are recent games that come to mind where Williams rallied us in the final minutes. And in all of those instances, her ability to knock down treys under pressure was the gamechanger. We had no such player today.

Sigh. At least the pressure's off now!

 

[SECbbfan24]

Favorite stat of the game is Texas wins with just 3 assists lol

Only one stat matters though

 

[nwhoopfan]

If nothing else, it puts a little slow in the roll of these Pac-12 homers who are so full of themselves lately -- and yet oddly. so conspicuously absent from this thread.

Sure, let's have a big overreaction to one game, that makes sense. Seems like you were just laughing at me for overreacting to a sample size of one game in another thread.

 

[Plebe]

This. I had a bad feeling about this game for three reasons, two of which are effectively superstitions (but proved to be true):

1. Texas has recently had great success against Stanford, even during the Aston era, and even when playing on the Farm.

2. Vic knows how to beat Tara's teams; he was the architect of Texas A&M's final four upset in 2011, with full court press defense and one on one offense. HIs style of play just naturally gives a Tara-coached team fits.

3. We often disappoint in early-season games on ESPN. Not sure why, but I bet we're sub-.500 on games on ESPN before March when we're the higher ranked team. It's to the point where I groan when I realize a game is going to be on ESPN.

Though I'm disappointed, I'm not surprised. Williams' stat lines were always quieter than her impact on our team, because she was a steadying influence, she could go one on one when the game required it, and she could go into hero ball bailout mode when no one else was stepping up, especially against upset-minded teams. Several of our games against Colorado, and our squeaker against Cal Baptist in Canada, are recent games that come to mind where Williams rallied us in the final minutes. And in all of those instances, her ability to knock down treys under pressure was the gamechanger. We had no such player today.

Sigh. At least the pressure's off now!

It's refreshing to see that the Stanford fans can be just as committed to their superstitions as the rest of us

Ya know, I bet a lot of UConn fans remember how A&M in 2011 beat Notre Dame to win the title and upset a favored Baylor team in the Elite 8, but they don't remember that the Aggies also upset Stanford in the national semis.

I salute you for posting such an equanimous reflection so soon after the loss.

 

[TheFarmFan]

That's surprising. Which means that Karen Aston, on her way to getting fired, won 2 of her last 3 meetings vs. Stanford.

If nothing else, it puts a little slow in the roll of these Pac-12 homers who are so full of themselves lately -- and yet oddly. so conspicuously absent from this thread.

COUGH. See my post above. And if you've been perpetually disregarded for the better part of three decades, you might understand why we have a bit of pride lately. I guarantee you if defending champ UConn lost to Texas it'd be a front page story on ESPN, but they don't even have a story about this game at all. I think many of us have taken to repping the conference because the media sure as heck isn't going to do it.

 

[cacoastfan]

This reminded me of a little Texas' Sweet 16 win over Maryland in how they controlled the pace and disrupted the flow of their opponent's fluid offense. Stanford lacks a floor general, which is what Williams' presence provided in her years at Stanford. That combined with shooting 4-27 from three does not bode well.

Congratulations to Vic and Texas. If this is where Vic has his team now, I cannot imagine where they're going to be in March. I know its only the opening week, but this is a team I would not want in my bracket. As for Stanford, hopefully this loss provides an opportunity for growth and motivates them moving forward, onto the mighty Pilots of Portland next on Tuesday

 

[southie]

It's refreshing to see that the Stanford fans can be just as committed to their superstitions as the rest of us

Ya know, I bet a lot of UConn fans remember how A&M in 2011 beat Notre Dame to win the title and upset a favored Baylor team in the Elite 8, but they don't remember that the Aggies also upset Stanford in the national semis.

I salute you for posting such an equanimous reflection so soon after the loss.

Yeah, A&M had no business beating the Ogwumike's that day.

 

[cacoastfan]

Yeah, A&M had no business beating the Ogwumike's that day.

Don't remind me...

 

[Plebe]

COUGH. See my post above. And if you've been perpetually disregarded for the better part of three decades, you might understand why we have a bit of pride lately. I guarantee you if defending champ UConn lost to Texas it'd be a front page story on ESPN, but they don't even have a story about this game at all. I think many of us have taken to repping the conference because the media sure as heck isn't going to do it.

So ESPN gets no credit for televising this game? Only a bad rap for not announcing the loss in a major headline?

And if you were to ask the UConn fans, some of them would probably opine that ESPN's highlighting a UConn loss would not be a sign of favoritism; quite the contrary. We spent the ENTIRE 2017-18 season watching ESPN highlight the Morgan William buzzer-beater from the previous Final Four loss. Believe me, that didn't feel like a favor.

I hope my esteemed Pac-12 friends can recognize I'm being playful. I was one who, e.g., in 2016 stood up for the Pac-12 against the then-common refrain that they were "overrated" ... prior to their placing 3 teams in the Elite Eight and 2 in the Final Four. Sadly, some were reprising the refrain last season as well; that was some seriously bad karma.

 

[LoTrader]

Stanford absolutely missed Kianna Williams. KW was a stabling force, handling the ball, and knowing when to shoot (and make) for 3, or drive into the paint. I think Tara will have a better ball handling guard by the time the PAC-12 season starts. Funny that this was the day Stanford unfurled their banner and got their rings. If any team can recover, and rebound from this loss it is a Tara V team. Very impressed with Vic and how well his team fights all game long. They rarely take a play off.

 

[Dwilliams02]

I think Vic will get many of the top players that Kim attracted to Baylor in talent rich TX, plus TX is a great academic school that can pull in the type of kids that ND or Duke get.

TX came very close to getting Megan Walker. If TX starts winning Big 12 titles under Vic and going deep in the tournament, they will be on the radar of a lot of top recruits.

They are gonna be in the SEC in a short window. These teams Vic are building will be SEC ready.

 

[GCKSFN4L]

Not even remotely surprised that Vic pulled it off. After seeing what he was able to accomplish in season one at Texas even with Covid restrictions, I knew his teams would continue to be dangerous. Especially against a Stanford team that isn't returning it's starting PG and leading scorer. I still think Stanford will be fine and improve but this Texas team was a bad matchup for them this early in the season.

 

[TheFarmFan]

So ESPN gets no credit for televising this game? Only a bad rap for not announcing the loss in a major headline?

And if you were to ask the UConn fans, some of them would probably opine that ESPN's highlighting a UConn loss would not be a sign of favoritism; quite the contrary. We spent the ENTIRE 2017-18 season watching ESPN highlight the Morgan William buzzer-beater from the previous Final Four loss. Believe me, that didn't feel like a favor.

Respectfully, I do think UConn fans are a bit delusional when it comes to their perceptions about whether ESPN favors or disfavors them. The reason why that play was shown ad infinitem was because of how enormous it was: a nationally unknown 5'5" David beats the four-time-repeating national champion Goliath with a buzzer beater in the national semifinals. If that's not a play to repeat all season to rep some parity for the women's game (long one of the biggest critiques of the sport), I don't know what is.

Think of if this way: California and Texas are the two largest states in the country, and have four of the top ten media markets in the U.S. Stanford has the most national championships of any school; Texas is tenth all time.

UConn's only non-basketball championships in the past two decades are women's field hockey. IMHO, Husky fans should be thankful they get as much coverage as they get, even of their losses, for a school in a tiny state in a non-existent media market that's mostly a one-sport pony. And I can't help but think it's not a coincidence that ESPN's headquarters is a stone's throw from Storrs.

From where I'm looking, that attention, even of its losses, is looking mighty desirable to me.

 

[JordyG]

Tbh Stanford is well accustomed to having a target on its back. Two years ago, a #1-ranked Stanford went to Austin and got stunned by a Karen Aston-coached team.

Being ranked #1 then losing and having a target on your back because you're the national championship are two very, very different things.

 

[oldude]

I keep reading that Stanford lost Kianna Williams, which is true. But on the other side of the ledger, Stanford has every other player back from their national championship team, a HOF coach, they were playing at home and Vic lost 3 starters, including his best two players from last season. Folks, this was a serious upset.

 

[SimpleDawg]

I keep reading that Stanford lost Kianna Williams, which is true. But on the other side of the ledger, Stanford has every other player back from their national championship team, a HOF coach, they were playing at home and Vic lost 3 starters, including his best two players from last season. Folks, this was a serious upset.

Main thing is Vic's contributors are always instant emergers. Jackson, Bibby, Howard, Danberry, Matharu. They didn't need much time before they became highlights (in their first year). I dunno about Celeste Taylor or Kyra Lambert, but my eyes tell me that Matharu and Harmon are more impressive players and there's probably actually an upgrade at the guard position for Texas tho they may lose a bit from the frontcourt with the loss of Collier.

 

[Plebe]

Respectfully, I do think UConn fans are a bit delusional when it comes to their perceptions about whether ESPN favors or disfavors them. The reason why that play was shown ad infinitem was because of how enormous it was: a nationally unknown 5'5" David beats the four-time-repeating national champion Goliath with a buzzer beater in the national semifinals. If that's not a play to repeat all season to rep some parity for the women's game (long one of the biggest critiques of the sport), I don't know what is.

Think of if this way: California and Texas are the two largest states in the country, and have four of the top ten media markets in the U.S. Stanford has the most national championships of any school; Texas is tenth all time.

UConn's only non-basketball championships in the past two decades are women's field hockey. IMHO, Husky fans should be thankful they get as much coverage as they get, even of their losses, for a school in a tiny state in a non-existent media market that's mostly a one-sport pony. And I can't help but think it's not a coincidence that ESPN's headquarters is a stone's throw from Storrs.

From where I'm looking, that attention, even of its losses, is looking mighty desirable to me.

But doesn't that undermine your original point? So in fact it is an apples and oranges comparison. I guarantee you that if Stanford had won 6 national titles in the past 12 years, including multiple undefeated seasons and multiple record-breaking win streaks, their losses would be deemed more "newsworthy" by the evil media outlets.

Btw UConn men's basketball won a national title in 2014. Not sure how Stanford's championships in water polo and tennis should move the needle on this issue, but there's that.

 

[TC22]

Vic’s defense is just 40 minutes of pressure, pressure, pressure. His offense is dribble drive, dribble drive, dribble drive. It used to bore me to tears watching it. I thought we were done with Vic and that dribble drive mess. I say this with all due respect to Vic Schaefer. The Gamecocks and MSU used to have some epic battles. Gonna be fun with SC, Texas, LSU and maybe Georgia. Not sure how it’s going to work out with Tennessee, but maybe them too. I’m sure the A&M job will get somebody good. The SEC is getting ready to be really good again.

 

[Plebe]

my point is simply that you'd think a school that won this much would get more (any?) media attention. I'm confident if we were located in Stamford, CT, it'd be an entirely different kind of coverage. And yet UConn gets more ESPN coverage for women's basketball than Stanford gets for all its sports combined.

ESPN televised this game live. On its flagship network. I'm not seeing the conspiracy to ignore.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

You know, these pre-season rankings for Texas were all over the map.

The Big 12 coaches voted Texas second in the conference. Yet, nationally, most rankings had Texas well behind Iowa State and West Virginia. Creme even had the gall to list Texas as a #9 seed in his way too early bracket.

Texas losing 3 starters in Charli Collier, Celeste Taylor, and Kyra Lambert might have led to that, and lots of newcomers to boot.

I had them 18th in my preseason poll. They'll be higher next week.

 

[southie]

Not even remotely surprised that Vic pulled it off. After seeing what he was able to accomplish in season one at Texas even with Covid restrictions, I knew his teams would continue to be dangerous. Especially against a Stanford team that isn't returning it's starting PG and leading scorer. I still think Stanford will be fine and improve but this Texas team was a bad matchup for them this early in the season.

Neither was Texas. Stanford returned 4 starters; Texas returned its least-heralded 2 starters.

 

[bballnut90]

Neither was Texas. Stanford returned 4 starters; Texas returned its least-heralded two 2 starters.

This is what made me roll my eyes all game as the announcers incessantly brought up Kiana Williams graduating but ignored mentioning Texas losing multiple standouts (including the #1 pick in the draft).

 

[UConnCat]

It's a fair question, but he managed to convince a top-10 recruit like Rickea Jackson to move from Detroit to Starkville. And now he has Harmon, Moore and Hunter in this UT freshman class, who by all indications are capable offensive talents.

I know. I hope they enjoy 40 minutes of dribble drive, dribble drive, dribble drive, 3-assist games.