UVA to Big Ten - not happening

[RegisteredUconn]

Unless UVA guarantees UNC goes along with it to B1G then the B1G has no interest. The don't bring anything that the B1G doesn't already have. Also UVA does not make or break ACC stability. The B1Gs real prize is GA tech and UNC. This UVA and UConn to B1G is a pipe dream. It adds nothing they don't already have.

Looked at a map recently?

 

[RegisteredUconn]

How is Georgia Tech a "prize"?

++++ a lot.

 

[husky210]

Unless UVA guarantees UNC goes along with it to B1G then the B1G has no interest. The don't bring anything that the B1G doesn't already have. Also UVA does not make or break ACC stability. The B1Gs real prize is GA tech and UNC. This UVA and UConn to B1G is a pipe dream. It adds nothing they don't already have.

We are basically going to be playing in the old big east just under the ACC banner. That's inevitable.

Ga tech is as much of a prize as a double cheeseburger from mcds. Get real, aside from being AAU it doesn't fit the mold at all.

Atlanta market yes
Large flagship nope
Good athletics nope
AAU yes
Contiguous nope matter of fact there isn't even a b1g school within 500 miles.

Others have already gotten into the sec vs b1g thing. You think cable subscribers want to pay for two networks when uga is by and far more popular. Not to mention heart of sec country. No way delany makes this move.

 

[husky210]

I for one think college basketball drives the NYC bus. You want the market? Pick uconn and su. Rutgers gets you market penetration. All three gets you the .80 they want.

Uconn iu or cuse Ohio state at the garden?

 

[UConn Dan]

Ga tech is as much of a prize as a double cheeseburger from mcds. Get real, aside from being AAU it doesn't fit the mold at all.

Atlanta market yes
Large flagship nope
Good athletics nope
AAU yes
Contiguous nope matter of fact there isn't even a b1g school within 500 miles.

Others have already gotten into the sec vs b1g thing. You think cable subscribers want to pay for two networks when uga is by and far more popular. Not to mention heart of sec country. No way delany makes this move.

It's not about good athletics see Rutgers and Maryland. This is about market and recruiting. GA Tech is more of a prize to B1G than either UConn or UVA. It's more likely to happen then us to B1G. Sorry.

 

[RMoore1999]

It's not about good athletics see Rutgers and Maryland. This is about market and recruiting. GA Tech is more of a prize to B1G than either UConn or UVA. It's more likely to happen then us to B1G. Sorry.

B1G Christmas List:

1. Notre Dame
2. Texas
3. North Carolina
4. Virginia
5. Georgia Tech
6. Connecticut
7. Missouri
8. Kansas
9. bcu (only if it locked in #1)

 

[husky210]

It's not about good athletics see Rutgers and Maryland. This is about market and recruiting. GA Tech is more of a prize to B1G than either UConn or UVA. It's more likely to happen then us to B1G. Sorry.

And neither is GT. no way

 

[Rumrunner]

The Big ten coexists with two states (indiana excepted).

Iowa with iowa/iowa state
pennsylvania with penn state/pitt

now you want to add georgia with uga/gtech

Big Ten has the dominant program(s) in each state.

So delany is going to go into a deep south region for a second tier program? And why would he violate the big ten's business model to play david to slive's goliath?

I think the B1G and SEC networks can coexist in the same market. If your a GA tech fan your going to make sure you can watch your team. That's what B1G is counting on.

 

[UConn Dan]

The Big ten coexists with two states (indiana excepted).

Iowa with iowa/iowa state
pennsylvania with penn state/pitt

now you want to add georgia with uga/gtech

Big Ten has the dominant program(s) in each state.

So delany is going to go into a deep south region for a second tier program? And why would he violate the big ten's business model to play david to slive's goliath?

I don't want any of this. My "dream" scenario is BYU and FSU to big 12. And we go to ACC to fill the spot. With no other moves. I just dont think the B1G is calling us anytime soon.

And to your duplicity point. Taking UVA would have to live with having a stronger program va tech in a different league. Likely SEC too

 

[pj]

No way is Georgia Tech getting an invite ahead of UConn. Atlanta market = Connecticut market except with pro and SEC competition. Ga Tech would lose half its fans if it went to a northern conference.

 

[Marty Jackson]

Atlanta market. This about cable dollars. Recruiting opens up to fertile Georgia and Florida. And academics are inline. Don't be so shortsighted.

the big isnt going to expand into new markets with 2nd tier teams...

 

[UConn Dan]

the big isnt going to expand into new markets with 2nd tier teams...

Rutgers? Maryland?

 

[husky10]

Atlanta market. This about cable dollars. Recruiting opens up to fertile Georgia and Florida. And academics are inline. Don't be so shortsighted.

No way B1G adds gtech that is solid sec country. Georgia owns that state and there is no way the the B1G can force cable providers to pick up the B1G network because no one down there cares about B1G football only SEC football. The B1G has too big an ego to take a school that is second fiddle in their state I can see UNC as a solid add but the realist in me cannot see any strong options to go with them.

I do agree with you that uconn + UVA probably does not happen and I only give it any chance because I had a wet dream of it happening last night.

 

[Marty Jackson]

Rutgers? Maryland?

explain which teams are more dominant in those markets. pretty sure rutgers and md are both the flagship universties in their states.
gt is the ugly red-headed step sister to uga... delaney isnt going up against the sec with gt... it isnt a win for the big10 on any level.

 

[upstater]

Unless UVA guarantees UNC goes along with it to B1G then the B1G has no interest. The don't bring anything that the B1G doesn't already have. Also UVA does not make or break ACC stability. The B1Gs real prize is GA tech and UNC. This UVA and UConn to B1G is a pipe dream. It adds nothing they don't already have.

We are basically going to be playing in the old big east just under the ACC banner. That's inevitable.

The B1G just took Maryland and Rutgers. You're saying UVa is not good enough? Here's something UVa brings. A lot of talent. NoVa and the Norfolk/Va Beach area are talent hotbeds. The B10 needs more football players, not to mention the DC and Richmond TV markets. Not to mention UVa's status as one of the nation's top universitities. UVa actually brings a lot to the table.

I mean, the real prize is Georgia Tech? Compared to UVa? GTech doesn't bring half, or a quarter even, of the value that UVa has.

 

[upstater]

All I can tell you is that the board at UVA has no knowledge of any talks of with the Big Ten. My friend said to me "we bring nothing to the table for the Big Ten other than AAU" - no tv market, average athletics. Whether the school president has been talking to the big ten I dont know. But i got the sense if they were my friend would know about it.

Your friend said that? After Maryland and Rutgers were added? Does he not know about the great football talent in Virginia?

 

[UConn Dan]

The B1G just took Maryland and Rutgers. You're saying UVa is not good enough? Here's something UVa brings. A lot of talent. NoVa and the Norfolk/Va Beach area are talent hotbeds. The B10 needs more football players, not to mention the DC and Richmond TV markets. Not to mention UVa's status as one of the nation's top universitities. UVa actually brings a lot to the table.

I mean, the real prize is Georgia Tech? Compared to UVa? GTech doesn't bring half, or a quarter even, of the value that UVa has.

They already get DC and northern VA with Maryland. It's diminishing returns for them to add UVA. Look why is this board the only people that are in a love feet with UVA. No one in the outside credible media is saying UVA. It's pipe dreams and only way to bring in UConn as a partner. Ga tech is much more likely than UVa and will add value in Atlanta market.

 

[junglehusky]

Rutgers and Maryland weren't slam dunks for the Big Ten. Other than UNC, Notre Dame or Texas I don't think any of the other remaining candidates are slam dunks either. If Delany is going to expand again in the next year UConn might be too much of a reach unless Delany can convince his membership to go for a buy-and-hold move. That's why I'm worried about two ACC schools getting in the B1G before us. If UConn is somehow going to wind up in the Big Ten IMHO it'll most likely be at least 5-10 years down the road, during which time it has to make its fanbase more solid and continue improving academics and research. Any addition right now is a reach and I'd rather UConn had a more solid case to make.

 

[upstater]

They already get DC and northern VA with Maryland. It's diminishing returns for them to add UVA. Look why is this board the only people that are in a love feet with UVA. No one in the outside credible media is saying UVA. It's pipe dreams and only way to bring in UConn as a partner. Ga tech is much more likely than UVa and will add value in Atlanta market.

I seriously consider this crazy talk. And no, Maryland is not more popular than UVa in NoVa, and you're pumping a team not very popular in its own state over the flagship of a state that has a densely populated area to the north, and two cities in the center and south that are solid second tier cities in size (Richmond and Norfolk). Not to mention the wealth of talent in Va.

 

[UConn Dan]

I seriously consider this crazy talk. And no, Maryland is not more popular than UVa in NoVa, and you're pumping a team not very popular in its own state over the flagship of a state that has a densely populated area to the north, and two cities in the center and south that are solid second tier cities in size (Richmond and Norfolk). Not to mention the wealth of talent in Va.

I'm not saying md more popular in va. I'm saying that md brings northern va market because md is part of DC market which includes northern va. Just like Fairfield cnty is part of NYC market if Rutgers actually gets claim to NYC cable then they will be carried in the FC

 

[tzznandrew]

I'm not buying GT is a better fit that UVa.

Virginia is a better university, with more resources. It's competition (VT) is better at football, but less popular in the state.

UVa hits every B1G marker in the checklist. Hell, as its become a swing state, it seems further away from the "southern" identity it had 10 to 20 years ago, making it more in line with the B1G identity of flagship, northern universities.

UNC is a bigger prize, but I think it is less likely (on UNC's) side.

GT doesn't fit at all. Not flagship. Not even close to continuous (unless they bring in UNC and Virginia. Not the most popular institution in the state.

I was off on Rutgers and Maryland (shocked it happened), so its at least 50-50 I'd be wrong again. But I'm very skeptical. B1G has been good at keeping a coherent identity, and GT does nothing but cut against that identity.

 

[UCFBfan]

No way is Georgia Tech getting an invite ahead of UConn. Atlanta market = Connecticut market except with pro and SEC competition. Ga Tech would lose half its fans if it went to a northern conference.

After Louisville beat us out to the ACC I know longer make the statement "no way (fill in school) gets an invite over UConn". Something is wrong in the college athletic world and UConn is on the wrong end of the deal. So yeah, GT could very easily get in over UConn.

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[UConn Dan]

I'm not buying GT is a better fit that UVa.

Virginia is a better university, with more resources. It's competition (VT) is better at football, but less popular in the state.

UVa hits every B1G marker in the checklist. Hell, as its become a swing state, it seems further away from the "southern" identity it had 10 to 20 years ago, making it more in line with the B1G identity of flagship, northern universities.

UNC is a bigger prize, but I think it is less likely (on UNC's) side.

GT doesn't fit at all. Not flagship. Not even close to continuous (unless they bring in UNC and Virginia. Not the most popular institution in the state.

I was off on Rutgers and Maryland (shocked it happened), so its at least 50-50 I'd be wrong again. But I'm very skeptical. B1G has been good at keeping a coherent identity, and GT does nothing but cut against that identity.

UConn was a better fit to go to the ACC than Louisville and we all know how that worked out. For the B1G their expansion is about markets.

 

[Adios]

UConn was a better fit to go to the ACC than Louisville and we all know how that worked out. For the B1G their expansion is about markets.

You do realize we'd bring New England with us?

 

[RegisteredUconn]

Atlanta market. This about cable dollars. Recruiting opens up to fertile Georgia and Florida. And academics are inline. Don't be so shortsighted.

This is about the future. How long do you expect the cable TV market to exist in a recognizable form? Five years tops? Everything is pointing toward wireless delivery through the internet. How does Comcast et.al. live in that paradigm? Once the physical wire is disconnected, all hell is gonna break loose and its the guy making the sweaters that drives that bus, not the guy in the brown truck dropping them off at customers' doors.

The B1G is making strategic moves to secure content. Delivery will still be important, just not monopolized like the people maintaining coax on poles do now. Nimbleness will be a valued attribute for content providers...but not as valuable as content itself.

Why does the B1G want UConn? Because they, together with Rutgers, provide context for the New York market. By context I mean the setting of the contest as opposed to the simple fact that a contest is/will occur. The Yankees playing a game commands an audience. The Yankees playing the Red Sox commands a bigger audience. If the Yankees were to begin play this spring as a brand new team, having never existed as a team before, they would command an audience. The Yankees having the history they do commands a much bigger audience. Visiting the "house that Ruth built" only has meaning because there was a Ruth. The saying goes that the whole is sometimes greater than the sum of its parts.

A Rutgers/UConn rivalry can deliver more than either school taken alone can. Together, they can deliver (a portion of) New York. Alone, each is vulnerable to competitive incursion. There is a little known corallory to the "Law of Decreasing Returns" known as the "Law of Increasing Returns." Under this law, each unit of added input yields even greater (rather than reduced) output. Microsoft Windows followed the "increasing returns" model (for a while anyway...maybe it still does, I don't know) because it had won such a large share of the personal computer market they were virtually assured that new computer sales would bundle Windows with the product even though Microsoft did next to nothing to insure its inclusion.

Occasionally a product will be so successful, the original manufacturer will lose the power to enforcement its copyright. Things like kleenex, band aid, and thermos can no longer prevent newcomers from going to the market and advertising their product as kleenex. I am not here to argue that UConn and Rutgers can dominate the college football market, let alone the sports entertainment market, in New York the way J&J dominated adhesive bandages. What I am arguing is that a meaningful Rutgers/UConn competition would deliver value far beyond what either would alone. Delany MUST be thinking about that. He knows he hasn't secured New York with Rutgers so long as a rogue UConn program draws significant interest with basketball and increasing interest with football.

Being in New York with Rutgers doesn't deliver New York just like being in D.C. with the Terps doesn't deliver D.C. UConn/Rutgers delivers context in New York the same way UVa/UMd does in D.C. That 4 institution coterie also sets up a D.C. vs. NYC context and each of the six pairings UVa/UMd, UVa/Rutgers, UVa/UConn, UMd/Rutgers, UMd/UConn, and Rutgers/UConn adds to that larger context. Throw in Penn State and Phila and the context of the games takes on even greater importance.

Anybody who argues realignment from the perspective of cable boxes served might as well stock up on CRTs to sell to those cable subscribers. Who are the institutions that add value in the future? That's the debate. That's where UConn shines because of its geography, not in spite of it. That's why UConn's academics is important because it presents a school students aspire to attend and alumni are proud to have attended. Proud alumni may be a school's most valuable fans and foremost ambassadors. UConn and UVa are headed to the B1G because that's what makes sense for the future.

 

[Husky68]

This is about the future. How long do you expect the cable TV market to exist in a recognizable form? Five years tops? Everything is pointing toward wireless delivery through the internet. How does Comcast et.al. live in that paradigm? Once the physical wire is disconnected, all hell is gonna break loose and its the guy making the sweaters that drives that bus, not the guy in the brown truck dropping them off at customers' doors.

The B1G is making strategic moves to secure content. Delivery will still be important, just not monopolized like the people maintaining coax on poles do now. Nimbleness will be a valued attribute for content providers...but not as valuable as content itself.

Why does the B1G want UConn? Because they, together with Rutgers, provide context for the New York market. By context I mean the setting of the contest as opposed to the simple fact that a contest is/will occur. The Yankees playing a game commands an audience. The Yankees playing the Red Sox commands a bigger audience. If the Yankees were to begin play this spring as a brand new team, having never existed as a team before, they would command an audience. The Yankees having the history they do commands a much bigger audience. Visiting the "house that Ruth built" only has meaning because there was a Ruth. The saying goes that the whole is sometimes greater than the sum of its parts.

A Rutgers/UConn rivalry can deliver more than either school taken alone can. Together, they can deliver (a portion of) New York. Alone, each is vulnerable to competitive incursion. There is a little known corallory to the "Law of Decreasing Returns" known as the "Law of Increasing Returns." Under this law, each unit of added input yields even greater (rather than reduced) output. Microsoft Windows followed the "increasing returns" model (for a while anyway...maybe it still does, I don't know) because it had won such a large share of the personal computer market they were virtually assured that new computer sales would bundle Windows with the product even though Microsoft did next to nothing to insure its inclusion.

Occasionally a product will be so successful, the original manufacturer will lose the power to enforcement its copyright. Things like kleenex, band aid, and thermos can no longer prevent newcomers from going to the market and advertising their product as kleenex. I am not here to argue that UConn and Rutgers can dominate the college football market, let alone the sports entertainment market, in New York the way J&J dominated adhesive bandages. What I am arguing is that a meaningful Rutgers/UConn competition would deliver value far beyond what either would alone. Delany MUST be thinking about that. He knows he hasn't secured New York with Rutgers so long as a rogue UConn program draws significant interest with basketball and increasing interest with football.

Makes sense to me. Unfortunately, what makes sense to me hasn't been the way things have been working out.

Being in New York with Rutgers doesn't deliver New York just like being in D.C. with the Terps doesn't deliver D.C. UConn/Rutgers delivers context in New York the same way UVa/UMd does in D.C. That 4 institution coterie also sets up a D.C. vs. NYC context and each of the six pairings UVa/UMd, UVa/Rutgers, UVa/UConn, UMd/Rutgers, UMd/UConn, and Rutgers/UConn adds to that larger context. Throw in Penn State and Phila and the context of the games takes on even greater importance.

Anybody who argues realignment from the perspective of cable boxes served might as well stock up on CRTs to sell to those cable subscribers. Who are the institutions that add value in the future? That's the debate. That's where UConn shines because of its geography, not in spite of it. That's why UConn's academics is important because it presents a school students aspire to attend and alumni are proud to have attended. Proud alumni may be a school's most valuable fans and foremost ambassadors. UConn and UVa are headed to the B1G because that's what makes sense for the future.

 

[Adios]

Anyone have Delany's e-mail address?? Send him RegisteredUConn's thesis!

 

[Dann]

This is about the future. How long do you expect the cable TV market to exist in a recognizable form? Five years tops? Everything is pointing toward wireless delivery through the internet. How does Comcast et.al. live in that paradigm? Once the physical wire is disconnected, all hell is gonna break loose and its the guy making the sweaters that drives that bus, not the guy in the brown truck dropping them off at customers' doors.

The B1G is making strategic moves to secure content. Delivery will still be important, just not monopolized like the people maintaining coax on poles do now. Nimbleness will be a valued attribute for content providers...but not as valuable as content itself.

Why does the B1G want UConn? Because they, together with Rutgers, provide context for the New York market. By context I mean the setting of the contest as opposed to the simple fact that a contest is/will occur. The Yankees playing a game commands an audience. The Yankees playing the Red Sox commands a bigger audience. If the Yankees were to begin play this spring as a brand new team, having never existed as a team before, they would command an audience. The Yankees having the history they do commands a much bigger audience. Visiting the "house that Ruth built" only has meaning because there was a Ruth. The saying goes that the whole is sometimes greater than the sum of its parts.

A Rutgers/UConn rivalry can deliver more than either school taken alone can. Together, they can deliver (a portion of) New York. Alone, each is vulnerable to competitive incursion. There is a little known corallory to the "Law of Decreasing Returns" known as the "Law of Increasing Returns." Under this law, each unit of added input yields even greater (rather than reduced) output. Microsoft Windows followed the "increasing returns" model (for a while anyway...maybe it still does, I don't know) because it had won such a large share of the personal computer market they were virtually assured that new computer sales would bundle Windows with the product even though Microsoft did next to nothing to insure its inclusion.

Occasionally a product will be so successful, the original manufacturer will lose the power to enforcement its copyright. Things like kleenex, band aid, and thermos can no longer prevent newcomers from going to the market and advertising their product as kleenex. I am not here to argue that UConn and Rutgers can dominate the college football market, let alone the sports entertainment market, in New York the way J&J dominated adhesive bandages. What I am arguing is that a meaningful Rutgers/UConn competition would deliver value far beyond what either would alone. Delany MUST be thinking about that. He knows he hasn't secured New York with Rutgers so long as a rogue UConn program draws significant interest with basketball and increasing interest with football.

Being in New York with Rutgers doesn't deliver New York just like being in D.C. with the Terps doesn't deliver D.C. UConn/Rutgers delivers context in New York the same way UVa/UMd does in D.C. That 4 institution coterie also sets up a D.C. vs. NYC context and each of the six pairings UVa/UMd, UVa/Rutgers, UVa/UConn, UMd/Rutgers, UMd/UConn, and Rutgers/UConn adds to that larger context. Throw in Penn State and Phila and the context of the games takes on even greater importance.

Anybody who argues realignment from the perspective of cable boxes served might as well stock up on CRTs to sell to those cable subscribers. Who are the institutions that add value in the future? That's the debate. That's where UConn shines because of its geography, not in spite of it. That's why UConn's academics is important because it presents a school students aspire to attend and alumni are proud to have attended. Proud alumni may be a school's most valuable fans and foremost ambassadors. UConn and UVa are headed to the B1G because that's what makes sense for the future.

what he said

 

[RegisteredUconn]

UConn was a better fit to go to the ACC than Louisville and we all know how that worked out. For the B1G their expansion is about markets.

And the market the B1G is interested in is the Northeast from Boston to D.C. Not Atlanta. Not North Carolina.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

UNC is a bigger prize, but I think it is less likely (on UNC's) side.

I disagree that UNC is a bigger prize than either UConn or UVa. Those touting the Tarheels seem to offer the same superficial reasoning that leads to all the pessimism.

Let's see, NC is a more populous state than CT. Check.
The southeast is growing faster than the northeast. Check.
UNC has a better football history than CT. Check.
UNC has a longer basketball history than CT. Check.

Those things are all true. UNC is a great university with much to be proud of...perhaps more than UConn. But this isn't about finding the "best" whatever that means. This is about finding the best partner for the B1G. UNC has a lot of negatives going into that particular battle.

NC is a bigger market but also much more contested. They are no slam dunk to deliver more customers than UConn. In fact, odds are better than 50-50 that UConn delivers more.
UNC doesn't share a common culture with the upper Midwest. They are less likely to develop the heated rivalries UConn will. They will be much more of an outlier and afterthought.
UNC delivers virtually none of the Northeast corridor and its 50 million potential customers.

Whatever side of the head up comparison between UNC and UConn debate you side with, the one with the greater value to the B1G is UConn.