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USA -France U 17 final

23-12 at the end of the first quarter.
France hit a couple of 3's to keep them from being overwhelmed.
France will not be able to overcome a 15 deficit against the USA like they did to Australia.
Horston is a ball magnet. She's the MVP, no doubt.
 
Horston is making France look like a grade school team. She has 5 steals and they're early in the second quarter.
The announcer said she has the super power of invisibility because of the way France doesn't seem to see her.
If the USA could hit a 3 (0 for however many they've taken) they would be up by 25.
 
46-28 USA at the half.
France is hitting their 3 point shots (6 of 10) but not much else, and they're still down by 18. The USA hit a couple of 3's late in the second quarter.
Boston is completely outplaying France's best big, Rupert.
 
So, my guess is there are a few of you who can see this game somewhere where the rest of us can't, so there is no reason to provide viewing information???
 
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70-35 after 3. France started waving the white flag somewhere in the middle of the 3rd quarter.
The USA is playing so well it's difficult to rank them for this game., but here goes:
1. Horston
2. Boston
3. Jones
4. Bueckers
5. Fudd
The thing is, Fudd is playing really, really well !! That's how good the starting 5 are playing.
 
I'm watching the game on the FIBA website. USA up 87-40 with 4:00 left in the 4th qtr. The game is over. France is 47 points behind. If it took them 3+qtrs to score 40, how are they going to score 47 pts in 4 min? :confused:

3 min left - 87-40.

Van Lith just hit a corner 3 to put the USA up by 50, 90-40.

Less than a minute to go.

92-40 with 38.3 sec to go.

Game over.

Final score USA 92 - France 40. France was never in this game. Team USA took the fight out of them (and their heart & soul) in the first half, as France only scored 12 points in the second half. With the USA in the tournament, they did the best they could, 2nd place. They did not have a team that could beat the USA. :confused:

Boston leads the USA in scoring with 16.

Team USA was NEVER challenged at any time during this tournament. TOTAL domination!!! This was truly an All-Star team. The USA coaches didn't have to do a lot of "coaching" today. Their team took control from the tip, and never looked back. They never let France think they had any chance of challenging/winning this game. The USA went up early then continued to pull away. The hole France was in early got deeper as the game went along.

The USA's players were simply better and more polished than the French team. France didn't fare any better than any of the other teams the USA played. Horston owned France's big (Rupert) on both ends, and was getting anything she wanted in the paint.

The best thing about these games were that (no one got hurt) we got to see the elite players in the next 3 classes in games against some of the best players, not just in the USA, but in the world. It's one thing to see them against lesser talent they usually face in high school, it something else to see how they fare against other elite players in FIBA competition.

Boston, Horston & Jones on the ALL-Tournament team - Horston named the tournament MVP.

Australia took 3rd place - Bronze medals today.

Nice crowd on hand today for the final game. Very large contingent from the USA. Boston accepts the championship trophy at mid-court on behalf of the USA.

The players, coaches and parents that made the trip have just experienced 10 days in Europe they will never forget. Congratulations to the USA U17 women's basketball team. Two thumbs up and a tip of the cap. Job well done ladies. Your efforts this week were truly "golden". Enjoy your post game celebration this evening and your flight home. :)

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RockyMTblue2 said:
So, my guess is there are a few of you who can see this game somewhere where the rest of us can't, so there is no reason to provide viewing information???
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I was watching on ESPN+. Same as the previous game. Evidently, you found it on the FIBA website.
 
Naming the all tournament team:
Boston, Horston and Jones.
Rupert from France was named also; though the way she didn't show up today could have disqualified her entirely.
Horston MVP of the tournament !!!
 
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USA U17 bad for basketball. :eek:
USA had a different player lead in:
Assists: Bueckers
Steals: Horston
Scoring: Boston
Blocks: Jones
Minutes: Fudd.
Rebounds: Horston
This was total Dominatation Jones, Boston, Horston make the All-Tournament Team. Horston the MVP
 
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Love your observations rvwsleep but you can't overstate how awesome Boston was. France had a really good center named Rupert. Boston completely owned her on both ends. To a lesser extent, so did Belibi.

The job Berube did putting this team together is impressive. Getting these kids to be this unselfish and commit to playing defense like they did to me is one of the most amazing things about their championship.
 
As far as recruiting goes; take as many of the starting 5 as are willing to go to Storrs.
A word about Cooke. Yes, she plays out of control too often but she's extremely talented. She might cause Geno some stomach aches, but, she might be worth it.
 
victor64 said:
Love your observations rvwsleep but you can't overstate how awesome Boston was. France had a really good center named Rupert. Boston completely owned her on both ends. To a lesser extent, so did Belibi.

The job Berube did putting this team together is impressive. Getting these kids to be this unselfish and commit to playing defense like they did to me is one of the most amazing things about their championship.
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Very important change. USA basketball is now using D3 instead of HS coaches for the U16-U17 teams. That is huge!
 
If you can catch it, watch the choreographed team dance ( My favorite "In My Feelings" challenge) at the end of the award celebrations.
Drake would approve.
 
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Carla did an awesome job! In yesterday’s game, we were up by about 20 early, and someone left the opponent open in the corner for a made three. She was pi$$ed. Sounds like her former coach. The defense was stifling.

Horston is not under the radar now. She has a rare combo of size, speed, skill, energy, and intelligence. I want her in Storrs big time!
 
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Iliana Rupert, France's star center, stat line against USA. 0 for 10 from the field, 0 points, 5 fouls, 3 turnovers. Boston and Belibi will give her nightmares for a long time.

Berube did many little things that got my attention. When Cooke had the ball stolen today because she was looking over at the bench, Berube pulled her immediately. Cooke forced a shot during garbage time near the end of the game, out she came. USA was up 40+ at the time. Finally, in one of the early games, the team came out flat at the start of the second half and she pulled all five starters. Message sent.

They had a great press that they only showed when needed, they handled full court pressure much better as the tourney progressed, teams didn't zone them even though they didn't shoot all that well from 3. They got the ball inside at will against other team's zones. Of course, the sub pattern was established early and did not change. The most minutes anybody averaged was about 22. Kids were fresh and NOBODY got hurt. Berube and her staff get A's across the board in my book for a job well done.
 
Congrats U17 women's world champions! Great, great job!
Also tremendous work by Carla and the other coaches in choosing and preparing this amazingly talented group of young women!
My question now is realistically and hopefully with some real info and knowledge where does U Conn stand with the three who made the all star team and are available in class of '19. Of Horston, Boston & Jones, anyone know anything more about where they are leaning and possibly why?
They won so, so overwhelmingly.
Very impressive!
Bronx23
 
victor64 said:
Iliana Rupert, France's star center, stat line against USA. 0 for 10 from the field, 0 points, 5 fouls, 3 turnovers. Boston and Belibi will give her nightmares for a long time.

Berube did many little things that got my attention. When Cooke had the ball stolen today because she was looking over at the bench, Berube pulled her immediately. Cooke forced a shot during garbage time near the end of the game, out she came. USA was up 40+ at the time. Finally, in one of the early games, the team came out flat at the start of the second half and she pulled all five starters. Message sent.

They had a great press that they only showed when needed, they handled full court pressure much better as the tourney progressed, teams didn't zone them even though they didn't shoot all that well from 3. They got the ball inside at will against other team's zones. Of course, the sub pattern was established early and did not change. The most minutes anybody averaged was about 22. Kids were fresh and NOBODY got hurt. Berube and her staff get A's across the board in my book for a job well done.
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Here's a final thought.................................If the "core" members of this team can remain intact for the next 2 FIBA tournaments, can any team beat them? They will be playing against the same teams and players they played against in this tournament with a few exceptions.

Do they keep the same coaches (who already know them, and who they are comfortable with), or are they handed off to a new cadre of coaches? The scary part is all of these girls will grow, mature and get better over that period. Who is going to challenge them? :eek: Thoughts.........................
 
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rvwsleep said:
23-12 at the end of the first quarter.
France hit a couple of 3's to keep them from being overwhelmed.
France will not be able to overcome a 15 deficit against the USA like they did to Australia.
Horston is a ball magnet. She's the MVP, no doubt.
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Very prophetic after watching her for only 1 quarter today rvwsleep. Your stock is rising sir!!! ;)
 
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Scoop said:
Here's a final thought........If this team stays together for the next 2 FIBA tournaments, can any team beat them? They will be playing against the same teams and players they played against in this tournament with a few exceptions. Do they keep the same coaches (who already know them, and who they are comfortable with), or are they handed off to a new cadre of coaches? The scary part is all of these girls will grow, mature and get better over that period. Who is going to challenge them? :eek: Thoughts.....
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1. The team had four new players that were not on last year's team. (Jones!, Brink, Van Lith and I think Orsborne).
2. Their tryout process is so extensive that I would think that no spot is guaranteed. Van Lith, Fudd, Brink and possibly Boston could play on the team next year.
3. Berube coached a USA team last year. The US likes to rotate coaches so that nobody is saddled with too much of a time commitment. I am guessing that they would love to have Carla again but I am not sure what advantage she would have in doing it again.
4. Somebody mentioned that the switch to college coaches was a recent change. I didn't know that. It would seem like an attractive vehicle for an up and coming D2 or D3 coach to showcase their talents. Berube has been at Tufts for a while. I have no idea whether she has aspirations for a new challenge or not.
5. Watching Berube work reminded me a little of Brad Stevens. Like Stevens, Berube has the respect of the players while presenting herself for the most part in a calm, in-control manner.
 
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Some afterthoughts on this team that I have not seen elsewhere.

Fran Belibi has really improved since last year and is no longer that girl that can dunk and will be a solid post player in college. In this game she owes her teammates about 5-6 assists that she missed or fumbled but she will never play with more talented passer.

Azzi Fudd should remain a PG because she is a better game manager than ALL the very talented 2020 PG in the class directly ahead of her.

Van Lith needs to take some of the dribbling out of her game. Much of her dribbling is not very purposeful.

One of the more remarkable stats in Horston’s game that should not be overlooked is the PF column. Despite being the most active perimeter defender (twice as many steals as next USA player) and being 2nd on the team in rebounding (many of which were under the basket) Horston fouled a total of 3 times in 7 games.

I disagree with @victor64 Carla’s grade should be A+ not an A. That press break she used against France (think I have seen it somewhere before) snatched the soul out of France and Horston applied a guillotine with her steals.

ESPN badly needs to update the 2019 class ranking. If ESPN truly believes that there are 7 players in the 2019 class better than Horston then no wonder they are losing so many subscribers.

Massive shout out to the players who did not make this squad and an especial big up to the ones that made the final 18 (River Baldwin, Alli Campbell, Aubrey Griffin, Hannah Gusters, Rickea Jackson, Angel Reese) and did not make the squad. This squad was a juggernaut! I have a sneaking suspicion that one of these cut players is going to take the Haley Jones approach, come back next year and claim a spot on the throne. Oh yea, UCONN just offered Aubrey Griffin-coincidence? Me thinks not.
 
victor64 said:
1. The team had four new players that were not on last year's team. (Jones!, Brink, Van Lith and I think Orsborne).
2. Their tryout process is so extensive that I would think that no spot is guaranteed. Van Lith, Fudd, Brink and possibly Boston could play on the team next year.
3. Berube coached a USA team last year. The US likes to rotate coaches so that nobody is saddled with too much of a time commitment. I am guessing that they would love to have Carla again but I am not sure what advantage she would have in doing it again.
4. Somebody mentioned that the switch to college coaches was a recent change. I didn't know that. It would seem like an attractive vehicle for an up and coming D2 or D3 coach to showcase their talents. Berube has been at Tufts for a while. I have no idea whether she has aspirations for a new challenge or not.
5. Watching Berube work reminded me a little of Brad Stevens. Like Stevens, Berube has the respect of the players while presenting herself for the most part in a calm, in-control manner.
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I'm surprised that they were using such a comprehensive search and extensive trials to find just the right players and then just turning them over to a HS coach before the change was made. Berube is excellent.
 
CocoHusky said:
Some afterthoughts on this team that I have not seen elsewhere.

Fran Belibi has really improved since last year and is no longer that girl that can dunk and will be a solid post player in college. In this game she owes her teammates about 5-6 assists that she missed or fumbled but she will never play with more talented passer.

Azzi Fudd should remain a PG because she is a better game manager than ALL the very talented 2020 PG in the class directly ahead of her.

Van Lith needs to take some of the dribbling out of her game. Much of her dribbling is not very purposeful.

One of the more remarkable stats in Horston’s game that should not be overlooked is the PF column. Despite being the most active perimeter defender (twice as many steals as next USA player) and being 2nd on the team in rebounding (many of which were under the basket) Horston fouled a total of 3 times in 7 games.

I disagree with @victor64 Carla’s grade should be A+ not an A. That press break she used against France (think I have seen it somewhere before) snatched the soul out of France and Horston applied a guillotine with her steals.

ESPN badly needs to update the 2019 class ranking. If ESPN truly believes that there are 7 players in the 2019 class better than Horston then no wonder they are losing so many subscribers.

Massive shout out to the players who did not make this squad and an especial big up to the ones that made the final 18 (River Baldwin, Alli Campbell, Aubrey Griffin, Hannah Gusters, Rickea Jackson, Angel Reese) and did not make the squad. This squad was a juggernaut! I have a sneaking suspicion that one of these cut players is going to take the Haley Jones approach, come back next year and claim a spot on the throne. Oh yea, UCONN just offered Aubrey Griffin-coincidence? Me thinks not.
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Agree on all points especially Van Lith and the rankings. On Van Lith, just decide where you want to get to and go! Probably just a bad habit picked up watching her HS teammates run around trying to get open. On the rankings, I'm surprised anyone pays attention to them. The only qualifications you need to be an "evaluator" is a laptop and a lot of free weekends.
 
I watched every second of the tourney. Here are my completely subjective rankings of the team from best to worst:

1. Horston
2. Jones. Enjoyed watching her bring the ball up against the other team's press.
3. Bueckers. The offense I knew about, the on the ball defense I did not.
4. Fudd.
5. Boston. Moved her up today after her owning of Rupert.
6. Taylor. Really enjoys the defensive end.
7. Cooke. Ohio State would be the perfect fit for this Ohio kid.
8. Belibi. Probably improved more than anybody else. Hands were better than expected.
9. Van Lith. Didn't shoot all that well overall but has a huge upside.
10. Brink. Lack of strength limited her time. She got banged to the floor a lot in her short time in games.
11. Orsborne. This low only because of the talent a head of her.
12. Brunelle. Did not shoot well at all from outside. Will still be valuable to Muffet.
 
Scoop, I'm going to mess with you man. When you wrote that France was behind by 37 points at 87 to 40, they were actually 47 points behind. Your editor let one slip by. (smile) However, your comments were very informative. Thanks for the information.
 
victor64 said:
I watched every second of the tourney. Here are my completely subjective rankings of the team from best to worst:
1. Horston
2. Jones. Enjoyed watching her bring the ball up against the other team's press.
3. Bueckers. The offense I knew about, the on the ball defense I did not.
4. Fudd.
5. Boston. Moved her up today after her owning of Rupert.
6. Taylor. Really enjoys the defensive end.
7. Cooke. Ohio State would be the perfect fit for this Ohio kid.
8. Belibi. Probably improved more than anybody else. Hands were better than expected.
9. Van Lith. Didn't shoot all that well overall but has a huge upside.
10. Brink. Lack of strength limited her time. She got banged to the floor a lot in her short time in games.
11. Orsborne. This low only because of the talent a head of her.
12. Brunelle. Did not shoot well at all from outside. Will still be valuable to Muffet.
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Just one minor quibble with your rankings, I think you need a dimension of class or age. Azzi Fudd is 15, in two years ( yes she will still be eligible for U17) she could be more dominant in this tournament than Horston was.
 
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