Urban Meyer shares secrets on winning

[kyleslamb]

LOL at the absurdity of this post.

Is Urban your brother or something?

Did Urban steal your lunch money in school or something?

 

[kyleslamb]

Show me a coach that has never tolerated a single arrest or legal issue, or recruited a single questionable character, and I'll show you the first truly righteous coach to ever have reached this level.

 

[Palatine]

I don't know Jack Welsh, George Welsh the old UVA coach?

That philosphy is troublesome, though probably more prevalent across the board than I am aware off. You spend time recruiting and convicing the kid and his parents that you will care for and develop the kid, but if he doesn't develop as coach wants, hit the road kid there is another 4 star kid in mind and you're just in the way tying up a scholarship.

Coaches get paid to win and he WINS. Just doesn't sound like the type that a parent would want to entrust their kid to.

Jack was the legendary CEO of GE.

 

[Jax Husky]

Show me a coach that has never tolerated a single arrest or legal issue, or recruited a single questionable character, and I'll show you the first truly righteous coach to ever have reached this level.

Again, it wasn't a single arrest (or even a handful). It was DOZENS. Many of which were lightly punished at best. You pointed out the facts that Hernandez had never really been punished for anything, which is EXACTLY the point we are making. No one really ever got punished for anything unless they were at the bottom of the depth chart. Then Urban would reign hellfire.

Carlos Dunlap asleep in his car at a red light with an open bottle of Crown Royal? 1 game suspension, back for the Sugar bowl.

Starter like Janoris Jenkins? Well, I'll let Janoris tell it:

"It’s a reality that Rams cornerback Janoris Jenkins, who was tolerated by Meyer but kicked out of school by his successor, Will Muschamp, astutely recognized in 2011.

“If Coach Meyer were still coaching, I’d still be playing for the Gators,” Jenkins said at the time. “Coach Meyer knows what it takes to win.”


I can go on if you'd like.

Tony Joiner - Arrested Tuesday night before the LSU game for breaking into a tow lot and steaing his car back from behind a locked fence. Took his captaincy away, no suspension.

Ronny Wilson - Shot off an AK-type weapon in a parking lot to intimidate people. 1 year suspension, allowed back next spring before he is arrested again and booted.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Did Urban steal your lunch money in school or something?

If he could've, he probably would've. Just pointing out what those with a pulse already know. Your shilling for Meyer makes the Paterno sycophants blush.

 

[kyleslamb]

Again, it wasn't a single arrest (or even a handful). It was DOZENS. Many of which were lightly punished at best. You pointed out the facts that Hernandez had never really been punished for anything, which is EXACTLY the point we are making. No one really ever got punished for anything unless they were at the bottom of the depth chart. Then Urban would reign hellfire.

Carlos Dunlap asleep in his car at a red light with an open bottle of Crown Royal? 1 game suspension, back for the Sugar bowl.

Starter like Janoris Jenkins? Well, I'll let Janoris tell it:

"It’s a reality that Rams cornerback Janoris Jenkins, who was tolerated by Meyer but kicked out of school by his successor, Will Muschamp, astutely recognized in 2011.

“If Coach Meyer were still coaching, I’d still be playing for the Gators,” Jenkins said at the time. “Coach Meyer knows what it takes to win.”


I can go on if you'd like.

Tony Joiner - Arrested Tuesday night before the LSU game for breaking into a tow lot and steaing his car back from behind a locked fence. Took his captaincy away, no suspension.

Ronny Wilson - Shot off an AK-type weapon in a parking lot to intimidate people. 1 year suspension, allowed back next spring before he is arrested again and booted.

And yet, Urban is gone, and the past five years Florida has still had 24 more arrests. You think it's just Urban with arrest problems? This is a societal issue.

Check this list out, it's the past five seasons and just the ones that were found:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...sted-college-football-teams-in-america-081815

Got news for you, there's no such thing as a righteous coach in college football. Singling Urban Meyer out is just a case of a successful coach who's on-field resume can't be questioned, so people try to find something else to criticize him about. Every single coach takes chances on kids with questionable character. Every single coach gives kids second and third chances.

What Urban had at Florida, while rocky at times, was still an element you find at every single major program. The only reason you're singling him out is because he's the winningest active coach and has three titles.

 

[kyleslamb]

If he could've, he probably would've. Just pointing out what those with a pulse already know. Your shilling for Meyer makes the Paterno sycophants blush.

"What those with a pulse already know" Oh, right, those bitter ex-girlfriends at Florida that think Urban is the devil!

LOL dude, you sound realllly bitter. Jealous much?

 

[Nostical]

Is that a serious question?

No.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

"What those with a pulse already know" Oh, right, those bitter ex-girlfriends at Florida that think Urban is the devil!

LOL dude, you sound realllly bitter. Jealous much?

OK buddy. Have a good day.

 

[Scoe]

No one can question his coaching, he's the best coach in the country (right there with Nick Saban) and lets leave it at that. I won't read one word in that book , he is trying to hard to put up a good boy image. Coaches like Belichchick, Calhoun have a slimy image but don't care what people think of them it seems like Urban Meyer does. Having said that hell yeah I would want a coach like that coaching Uconn would I want a team full of criminals no but would I take 10 plus wins a season hell yeah. Ill take a machavelian coach who wins over a nice guy who sucks any day.

I don't buy his reasons of leaving Florida for health reasons, and spending more time with family. He spent that year off from coaching as an ESPN college game day analyst going on the road every week. He used Tebow as a shield to hide the off the field issues in Gainsville, he stayed that one year after Tebow left so it wouldn't look suspicious.

 

[mauconnfan]

Show me a coach that has never tolerated a single arrest or legal issue, or recruited a single questionable character, and I'll show you the first truly righteous coach to ever have reached this level.

Arrest, you mean as in shooting and murder? C'mon man get with the program he was a pc of crap and doubt many of those stripes have actually lost just maybe watered down.

 

[Jax Husky]

And yet, Urban is gone, and the past five years Florida has still had 24 more arrests. You think it's just Urban with arrest problems? This is a societal issue.

Check this list out, it's the past five seasons and just the ones that were found:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...sted-college-football-teams-in-america-081815

Got news for you, there's no such thing as a righteous coach in college football. Singling Urban Meyer out is just a case of a successful coach who's on-field resume can't be questioned, so people try to find something else to criticize him about. Every single coach takes chances on kids with questionable character. Every single coach gives kids second and third chances.

What Urban had at Florida, while rocky at times, was still an element you find at every single major program. The only reason you're singling him out is because he's the winningest active coach and has three titles.

And sadly, 24 arrests over 5 years is down 22% from his 5 years stretch ('05-'10). Many schools have issues, but he is as lax anyone I've ever seen when they happen. I don't give a rat's ass about his winning either.

If you want an example of a shady coach that hasn't won, I'll put Art Briles up there.

 

[Dogged]

Did Urban steal your lunch money in school or something?

Did Urban steal lunch money a lot? That would explain everything.

 

[John]

This is all revisionist history at its best. The guy is as snakey as any snake coach.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

Sorry Kyle...you do seem a little protective of UM.

Here is where I have a problem with the 10%...these kids have a life other than football. You know..school...friends...family. Telling them to leave a school is a big deal. A football career isn't the

And sadly, 24 arrests over 5 years is down 22% from his 5 years stretch ('05-'10). Many schools have issues, but he is as lax anyone I've ever seen when they happen. I don't give a rat's ass about his winning either.

If you want an example of a shady coach that hasn't won, I'll put Art Briles up there.

Don't forget a lot of those players getting arrested were recruited by UM.

 

[Kgun7]

I love the revisionist history. No one was saying this back then. No one even knew of problems back then. He had a few failed drug tests. That was it. There was no other incident that stuck to him people could point to.

According to published reports after the fact, the thing was, they didn't have proof of Hernandez doing anything wrong. One report called him a "con man." A guy that you had an inkling was bad news, but was so well spoken, he was hard to pin for anything. Yet you expect a coach to kick off a player that has not been proven to do any of these things? He wasn't in trouble with the law. He was a hard worker. What, exactly, was being ignored?

Like I said, it's sour grapes.

I think you're completely missing the human element to all this, and I suspect it's because you've never managed people. A lot of coaches, Urban chief among them, are not just coaches but they try to mold these guys into upstanding young men. You look at it and accuse Urban of simply ignoring a cataclysmic demise for sake of winning football games (to which you had no proof anyone thought that was going to happen at the time). Urban and other coaches look at it like a guy who has some character flaws, but if surrounded by the right people, can be shaped into productive members of society. Shame on any coach for wanting to be a good role model, huh?

So there wasn't a police report in April of 2007??? Gainsville Police didn't assign an investigator that recommended felony battery??? Hernandez didn't retain the services of an attorney??? Tim Tebow didn't request that he not be named as a witness in the police report??? The bar employee was not contacted by UF coaches and UF legal staff???

... Never Managed people is all you got???

 

[kyleslamb]

Some of you guys would make excellent subjects for behavior for sports fans on message boards.

It's really funny to see people have to stretch to find faults with successful people of other teams. Yeah Meyer isn't without faults. Who among you wouldn't take chances on some kids to win games? None of you, that's the answer.

A lot of those arrests by Gainesville P.D. were pretty pathetic if you go back and look through the reports. The ones that weren't? Well most of those guys were adequately punished by Meyer. But I'm sure you'll impose your own moral codes and say that there should be a zero tolerance policy and they should be kicked off, even though you know as well as I do if you were the coach, you'd act a lot differently when you have talented players who you have come to know personally.

It's funny though. People really try so hard to criticize every coach. It's the nature of the beast.

 

[Jax Husky]

Stretch??? lol, I can't even argue with you anymore if you don't want to accept facts.

 

[kyleslamb]

Stretch??? lol, I can't even argue with you anymore if you don't want to accept facts.

When you have to project other peoples' behavior as a reason to criticize Urban himself, yeah you're stretching big time. You want to keep a self-righteous, holier-than-thou stance about what you perceive to be the "correct" way to run a program and how many arrests are acceptable; how many questionable characters you can recruit, and if a successful coach doesn't mean your arbitrary limit, therefore it's a character flaw.

You're definitely stretching, especially when I know most people are hypocrites and would be doing the same thing if they were paid millions of dollars to win at a major program. Like I said, there's not a single major college coach that isn't taking at-risk kids in their program. The difference is the ones that punish kids for mess ups and actually do attempt to care outside of football. But hey, you'll call that a "character flaw" because again, it doesn't meet your arbitrary code for coaches you hate.

 

[whaler11]

Some of you guys would make excellent subjects for behavior for sports fans on message boards.

It's really funny to see people have to stretch to find faults with successful people of other teams. Yeah Meyer isn't without faults. Who among you wouldn't take chances on some kids to win games? None of you, that's the answer.

A lot of those arrests by Gainesville P.D. were pretty pathetic if you go back and look through the reports. The ones that weren't? Well most of those guys were adequately punished by Meyer. But I'm sure you'll impose your own moral codes and say that there should be a zero tolerance policy and they should be kicked off, even though you know as well as I do if you were the coach, you'd act a lot differently when you have talented players who you have come to know personally.

It's funny though. People really try so hard to criticize every coach. It's the nature of the beast.

You mean like the Ohio State fan feverously defending Urban Meyer on the message board of a team that isn't in their conference and doesn't exist within the same universe from a football perspective?

When everyone's point is the guy's book is a joke?

 

[Jax Husky]

When you have to project other peoples' behavior as a reason to criticize Urban himself, yeah you're stretching big time. You want to keep a self-righteous, holier-than-thou stance about what you perceive to be the "correct" way to run a program and how many arrests are acceptable; how many questionable characters you can recruit, and if a successful coach doesn't mean your arbitrary limit, therefore it's a character flaw.

You're definitely stretching, especially when I know most people are hypocrites and would be doing the same thing if they were paid millions of dollars to win at a major program. Like I said, there's not a single major college coach that isn't taking at-risk kids in their program. The difference is the ones that punish kids for mess ups and actually do attempt to care outside of football. But hey, you'll call that a "character flaw" because again, it doesn't meet your arbitrary code for coaches you hate.

On the first point, you have me wrong. I am not projecting their behavior as a reason. Not totally sure what you mean there, but I do hold coaches responsible for running programs that are not producing criminals. I'm not going to get going on the level of "clean" within a program, but it does matter. Like I said, every school runs into issues, and many deal with them in the right ways. All evidence, and I mean every story, description, police report, and resulting punishments points towards Meyer and the UF as maintaining absolutely no control to the point of creating a complete environment of criminality.

The second part I put in bold out is where I guess we'll just agree to disagree. I do not see any of the reactions of Meyer as appropriate in many of the cases, and there are easy to find descriptions of dozens of these arrests.

 

[Jax Husky]

You mean like the Ohio State fan feverously defending Urban Meyer on the message board of a team that isn't in their conference and doesn't exist within the same universe from a football perspective?

agreed

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

You mean like the Ohio State fan feverously defending Urban Meyer on the message board of a team that isn't in their conference and doesn't exist within the same universe from a football perspective?

When everyone's point is the guy's book is a joke?

Oh but the 10/80/10 rule. Riveting, ground breaking stuff.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

You mean like the Ohio State fan feverously defending Urban Meyer on the message board of a team that isn't in their conference and doesn't exist within the same universe from a football perspective?

When everyone's point is the guy's book is a joke?

So kyleslamb is an OSU fan? That does explain everything.

 

[whaler11]

So kyleslamb is an OSU fan? That does explain everything.

He's a former writer for a bunch of Ohio State recruiting sites.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

He's a former writer for a bunch of Ohio State recruiting sites.

That's hilarious. I wonder if he will still think he is Uber Meyer when Meyer leaves OSU when things go sour.

 

[FartMan69]

Of course Urban Meyer is slimy, that's a quality a lot of the best coaches have, it works though. If the world was turned upside down and Urban Meyer begged to be our head coach, would any of you say no?

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Of course Urban Meyer is slimy, that's a quality a lot of the best coaches have, it works though. If the world was turned upside down and Urban Meyer begged to be our head coach, would any of you say no?

Of course not. He's probably the best coach on the planet right now. In any sport. But that has nothing to do with the point some of us are making.

 

[ZooCougar]

Urban Meyer is a sleaze. I remember one of his stud DLs did something bad and Pope Urban gave him a really light punishment, maybe a quarter or two and it was such a joke that the player himself went to Meyer and said his punishment was too light. Urban did stuff like this all the time. Leopards don't change their spots.

 

[kyleslamb]

On the first point, you have me wrong. I am not projecting their behavior as a reason. Not totally sure what you mean there, but I do hold coaches responsible for running programs that are not producing criminals. I'm not going to get going on the level of "clean" within a program, but it does matter. Like I said, every school runs into issues, and many deal with them in the right ways. All evidence, and I mean every story, description, police report, and resulting punishments points towards Meyer and the UF as maintaining absolutely no control to the point of creating a complete environment of criminality.

The second part I put in bold out is where I guess we'll just agree to disagree. I do not see any of the reactions of Meyer as appropriate in many of the cases, and there are easy to find descriptions of dozens of these arrests.

You don't see "any" of the reactions in "many" of the cases. Yet you also don't have all the facts. You don't deal with the people on a daily basis. That's the point I'm driving home. It's all arbitrary. It's easy for people to sit home on a message board and say what is right and wrong. Where do you draw the line? But the coaches, all of them, not just Urban, are the ones that see them every day and have to balance whether these mistakes are ones of immaturity, character or whether they will repeat themselves. It's easy to play Monday QB and criticize punishment or lack thereof, but it's especially easy when you aren't the one with an established relationship. This stance I have doesn't just apply to Urban Meyer. I get irritated when sports fans do it to pretty much every team but their own. You can find the same discussion about Coach K, Boeheim, Roy Williams, Pete Carroll, Nick Saban and pretty much every successful college coach ever.

If you heard the Dan Patrick interview, I think Meyer alluded to things being shaky at the end at Florida. I think by his own admission, he let too many people off the hook. You are insinuating it's some sort of win-at-all-costs mentality. Yet, also by his own admission, he says he's really taken a more strict approach to recruiting character and in four years at Ohio State, how many arrests have there been? One? Two? Not very many. That implies that his approach was never to win at all costs. Whatever the line was, clearly it wasn't intentional. That's why these discussions are so ridiculous, especialy since I think everyone in this thread would agree they'd still take Urban as their head coach. Which leads to my final question: if this mentality is a flaw of his, or any coach for that matter, but fans would still gladly take the coach that compromise such an arbitrary line, can they really take an ethical stance about it?