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aceboon said:
Flagg isn't flirting with anything, you fell for engagement bait from social media aggregators. You guys do this every single time when we have guys who are guaranteed first round if not lottery and fool yourselves into thinking they're coming back, Liam is gone.
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I think you are right in what you say, and right in busting my chops for what I said. However, and I admit that you see more of this in the NFL than the NBA, but there is a world where Flagg refuses to go to the Washington Generals of the NBA (which describes several teams all vying for the top prize in the draft- Washington, Charlotte, NO, Utah, Toronto). That said, I will admit that you are probably right. HOWEVER, and I am well aware that we overate our own, but Liam is not at the Flagg level yet. He is really good. He will be a stud at the next level. But he is not there yet. Last night showed that the kid can be stopped by athletic wings. And defense is not his forte, particularly if he is marking a faster wing. I can make an argument that Liam could benefit from a second year in college. And by the way, I would rather play at UConn and collect rings and my NIL bag than to play in front of 500 people at the G league. Even Hawk spent time in the G league his first year, and I have to wonder if he regretted not coming back for a third year. I realize that is a very subjective take, but that's just my own view.
 
Does anyone see liam’s poor efficiency so far dropping him out of the lottery? 40 fg% and 35 3pt%
 
k-walk said:
Does anyone see liam’s poor efficiency so far dropping him out of the lottery? 40 fg% and 35 3pt%
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This wouldn’t surprise me. End of the day he’ll still have to go if he’s in the 10-20 range, but I don’t think he’s getting a guarantee in the lottery as it stands right now.
 
Iluvsuebird said:
Because the word on Reibe is that he is uberly skilled, but not very thick/strong.
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Well like this year we will have Reed Think/strong and Reibe thin/skilled. Reibe is going to be part of 2 man Ceter. No way he will be 3rd string behind a transfer. We are done up front unless Karban doesn't come back and Hurley isn't satisfied with Stewart/Abraham playing the 4.
 
k-walk said:
Does anyone see liam’s poor efficiency so far dropping him out of the lottery? 40 fg% and 35 3pt%
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The draft is all about potential, so they'll take his best moments over his worst. Jerermy Fears has skyrocketed up boards as a guard and shooting 44% from field and 27% from three.
 
husky429 said:
I agree except that NIL may change the equation. Alex is making over a million.
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Would he lose it in the NBA? Or would local businesses still be interested in using him for promotions?
 
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djct1999 said:
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the goal for any nba lottery pick isn’t the first contract, it’s the second one. Nil is pocket change to that.
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Absolutely - the question is a real one though for guys that aren't "can't miss" prospects that might not get to a 2nd contract.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Would he lose it in the NBA? Or would local businesses still be interested in using him for promotions?
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Depends - if he ends up in OKC I'm not sure what the value is. Rather pay someone that is local. He isn't a national name/face like Paige.
 
J187Money said:
Absolutely - the question is a real one though for guys that aren't "can't miss" prospects that might not get to a 2nd contract.
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Guys getting “real” nil money probably have a decent shot at sticking or making decent money overseas. There is more to it than just nil. A big thing to for marginals players is pension qualification. It serves every player good enough to start the clock asap.
 
djct1999 said:
Guys getting “real” nil money probably have a decent shot at sticking or making decent money overseas. There is more to it than just nil. A big thing to for marginals players is pension qualification. It serves every player good enough to start the clock asap.
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Alex is a classic example of a guy who might come back for NIL. I’m assuming he’s middle second round as I can’t see a scenario in this draft he’s a first rounder. I wonder how clinical he’ll be about it financially, given he’s graduated. The sooner you go try the NBA route the sooner you’ll know whether you have it or not and simply move on with life. The odds on any NC next year is low.

Him coming back is what you want but it really makes me wonder if he changes the ceiling of the team or we run into the same drawbacks we have seen much of this year.
 
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superjohn said:
Odds against the field are pretty low for everyone but we'll have as good a chance as anyone.
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My point - the field always has the edge. I get the 3peat chance with the magic in the air. Next year would have to be 100% a financial decision.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Would he lose it in the NBA? Or would local businesses still be interested in using him for promotions?
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I doubt some 2nd-rounder 15th-man (probably g-league) player is going to get any kind of serious promotions.
 
RuffRuff said:
Alex is a classic example of a guy who might come back for NIL. I’m assuming he’s middle second round as I can’t see a scenario in this draft he’s a first rounder. I wonder how clinical he’ll be about it financially, given he’s graduated. The sooner you go try the NBA route the sooner you’ll know whether you have it or not and simply move on with life. The odds on any NC next year is low.

Him coming back is what you want but it really makes me wonder if he changes the ceiling of the team or we run into the same drawbacks we have seen much of this year.
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Just my opinion, but I think the chance for a three peat strongly swayed his decision this year. There is little upside for him coming back unless the nil package is extreme. A mil nil vs 500k+ two way deal for a 3rd year graduate aren’t all that different in the long run. He would more than make up the difference in a healthy pro career vs the risk of seeing his stock drop further.
As for the team, I just don’t see any scenario where the ceiling isn’t higher w Alex on it. Much of his struggles this year was because he was forced into a role that didn’t suit his strengths.
 
djct1999 said:
Just my opinion, but I think the chance for a three peat strongly swayed his decision this year. There is little upside for him coming back unless the nil package is extreme. A mil nil vs 500k+ two way deal for a 3rd year graduate aren’t all that different in the long run. He would more than make up the difference in a healthy pro career vs the risk of seeing his stock drop further.
As for the team, I just don’t see any scenario where the ceiling isn’t higher w Alex on it. Much of his struggles this year was because he was forced into a role that didn’t suit his strengths.
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Will that role change next year? And if so how?
 
RuffRuff said:
Will that role change next year? And if so how?
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Ideally, yes. With a big lead guard transfer, a dominant big in Tarris, and multiple lethal shooters in Solo and Mullins, Alex won’t be required to create his own shot. He will be able to revert back to playing within the offense which suits him more.
This year his struggles were two fold. Not only did Liam’s injury hurt Alex, Hass’s knee and no other truly competent pg forced Alex to out the ball on the floor and create his own shot. Clearly, he struggled w that.

I don’t think it’s coincidence that yesterday our movement offensively was the best it’s been and Alex had his best game in two months.
 
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djct1999 said:
Guys getting “real” nil money probably have a decent shot at sticking or making decent money overseas. There is more to it than just nil. A big thing to for marginals players is pension qualification. It serves every player good enough to start the clock asap.
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Agree completely. The math was obvious before. Now it is a question. Which I think is great.
 
I don’t see the path for Karaban in nba. Hope he stays. This incoming class could learn a lot from him.
 
I highly doubt a shooting slump (even as bad as the one karaban has had) will have any impact on Karaban’s draft stock. I don’t think any scouts are questioning if he is a great shooter. He also shot the cover off of the ball at the combine last year.
The real thing that probably has some effect is probably his limitations around putting it on the floor/lack of athleticism and lack of development on those things.

But everyone saying he’s killed his draft stock by having a shooting slump is assuming nba scouts are idiots which they’re not.
 
BGesus4 said:
I highly doubt a shooting slump (even as bad as the one karaban has had) will have any impact on Karaban’s draft stock. I don’t think any scouts are questioning if he is a great shooter. He also shot the cover off of the ball at the combine last year.
The real thing that probably has some effect is probably his limitations around putting it on the floor/lack of athleticism and lack of development on those things.

But everyone saying he’s killed his draft stock by having a shooting slump is assuming nba scouts are idiots which they’re not.
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You don't think a shooting percentage drop as a bigger focus in an offense impacts stock? It's a lot easier to shoot open threes when you're a 4-5 option in an offense. Great shooters in the NBA shoot the 3 over 40% at the NBA line. If you're coming in and your primary skills is a shooter, how you shoot when the defense is focusing on you likely matters at least a little.

The combine drill didn't have defenders, Alex is really good at shooting wide open as it gives him plenty of time to square and load.
 
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RJScootin said:
I don’t see the path for Karaban in nba. Hope he stays. This incoming class could learn a lot from him.
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You don’t see a path for a 6’8 guy who has shot 40% from 3 in college in the NBA
 
RuffRuff said:
You don't think a shooting percentage drop as a bigger focus in an offense impacts stock? It's a lot easier to shoot open threes when you're a 4-5 option in an offense. Great shooters in the NBA shoot the 3 over 40% at the NBA line. If you're coming in and your primary skills is a shooter, how you shoot when the defense is focusing on you likely matters at least a little.

The combine drill didn't have defenders, Alex is really good at shooting wide open as it gives him plenty of time to square and load.
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Do I think Alex will be a superstar at the next level? I don’t.
Do I think Alex has the skill set to be in a rotation? I do.
Do I think his prolonged slump really hurt his stock? I don’t.
Do I think coming back helped his stock? Absolutely not.
 
djct1999 said:
Do I think Alex will be a superstar at the next level? I don’t.
Do I think Alex has the skill set to be in a rotation? I do.
Do I think his prolonged slump really hurt his stock? I don’t.
Do I think coming back helped his stock? Absolutely not.
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This
 
husky429 said:
I doubt some 2nd-rounder 15th-man (probably g-league) player is going to get any kind of serious promotions.
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You don’t think he’d still be popular in Connecticut?
 
k-walk said:
Does anyone see liam’s poor efficiency so far dropping him out of the lottery? 40 fg% and 35 3pt%
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I think he has a track record as an elite shooter going back to high school, and when you add in his free throw % and eye test on his shot form the 35% can be overlooked. This is turning out to be kind of a weak draft class outside of the top two- my hunch is if Liam was shooting 40%+ from three, he would be in the mix starting at #3.
 
Agent0 said:
You don’t see a path for a 6’8 guy who has shot 40% from 3 in college in the NBA
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My concern is his defense. He can’t cover a guard or a power forward in the NBA. Wouldn’t he be torched by most small forwards at that level? And he’s not like Cam who can come in and hit 4 threes in 10 minutes.
 
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