Updated 2013 Player Rankings

[Wbbfan1]

Hoopgurlz - Link

Did notice that Saniya Chong did not make the Top 60. Wonder if she'll make the Top 100

 

[John Glass]

Hoopgurlz - Link

Did notice that Saniya Chong did not make the Top 60. Wonder if she'll make the Top 100

I put more stock in college coaches rankings than ESPN's rankings.

 

[Vowelguy]

Well it's pretty clear who are the top schools so far:
of the top 33 players, 10 have committed -- 5 to UNC & 3 to ND. (w/1 to Duke & MD)

 

[Vowelguy]

I put more stock in college coaches rankings than ESPN's rankings.

How do you know what college coaches' rankings are?

Geno recruits players based on fit, personality, and ability.
ESPN Hoopgurlz ranks players based on ability.

Just because Geno recruits someone and she's not highly rated by Hoopgurlz does not mean that HG is wrong.

 

[rjp172]

Odd when you see players that are awarded MVP and All Tourney status at Boo Williams Invitational get dropped below players who didn't perform as well in the same tourney or excelled at a much lower profile tourney. Greenwell as an example. Despite leading USA national team last summer as MVP over all the players ranked above her she remained #5. Tears her ACL, which would explain a drop in ranking. Recovers and first tourney back is MVP of Boo Williams which included Davis, DeShields, etc. Her reward....the players she out performed hold rankings and she gets dropped. Not that she or any coach cares. Her ability stands for itself and HG despite tooting its own horn is only really accurate with the top 2 or 3 players in predicting future success. Ultimately, the players talent level is only an ingredient that adds to success. IMO coaching adds just as much if not more.

 

[NFHusky13]

Hoopgurlz - Link

Did notice that Saniya Chong did not make the Top 60. Wonder if she'll make the Top 100

I think the major reason Saniya did not make the Top 60 is that Hoopgurlz hasn't done an evaluation for her as of yet. I doubt that someone who can average 45+ ppg in an AAU weekend and has exploded on the scene and be invited to U18 trials can be left off the Top 60. Regardless, though, I'm sure she'll bring a lot to whatever school she chooses to go to. (Hopefully us of course! )

 

[Fightin Choke]

rjp, Greenwell dropped a single position, from #5 to #6. It wasn't like she suffered a precipitous drop. Aren't Hoopgurlz's ranking based on college potential, as they are called "recruiting rankings"? WCBB potential wouldn't necessarily correlate perfectly with tournament performance. That being said, I would tend to believe Geno's analysis more than Hansen's. I don't think Geno goes after anyone that's not at least semi-elite, even after he eliminates those that don't 'fit'. Did you see that so far Samuelson has only 3 stars? Let's see if that changes after Geno pursues her.

 

[UcMiami]

How do you know what college coaches' rankings are?

Geno recruits players based on fit, personality, and ability.
ESPN Hoopgurlz ranks players based on ability.

Just because Geno recruits someone and she's not highly rated by Hoopgurlz does not mean that HG is wrong.

As for 'coaches rankings' - she has offers from a number of pretty good schools so that suggests a number of coaches do rank her in the 'top 60' in her class, not just Geno.
The other 'ranking' out there would be the USA Basketball one that put her in the top 32 (I think that is the number they invited for trials?)

 

[Fightin Choke]

Well it's pretty clear who are the top schools so far:
of the top 33 players, 10 have committed -- 5 to UNC & 3 to ND. (w/1 to Duke & MD)

It's very early obviously, but Woo Hoo Notre Dame!! The Irish supposedly have 6 available spots, and with 4 commits for 2013, that leaves 2 at most. I know there are offers to Greenwell and Russell, and maybe to Davis? I've read rumors, and I suppose it's possible. If Duke is interested, Davis should be fine academically at ND. And ND has HS teammate Nelson and friend Reimer already verballed, so it makes the dream seem credible. I doubt ND has a chance at Russell, seems Louisville or UNC at this point, but Greenwell would wear green well, I think!

 

[EricLA]

nice seeing schools like Northwestern, ISU, Dayton, UVA, Princeton, and Vandy landing kids in the top 60. i sure hope Temple and Cinci are able to do that as well. would love to see Cinci escape from the bottom of the big east... and not do it ONLY because we add schools like SMU, Memphis, etc...

 

[EricLA]

It's very early obviously, but Woo Hoo Notre Dame!! The Irish supposedly have 6 available spots, and with 4 commits for 2013, that leaves 2 at most. I know there are offers to Greenwell and Russell, and maybe to Davis? I've read rumors, and I suppose it's possible. If Duke is interested, Davis should be fine academically at ND. And ND has HS teammate Nelson and friend Reimer already verballed, so it makes the dream seem credible. I doubt ND has a chance at Russell, seems Louisville or UNC at this point, but Greenwell would wear green well, I think!

i think it's interesting that of the 3-4 remaining top 10 targets Tennessee is after (Russell, Greenwell, Tucker, Scaife), other schools seem to have really made inroads and i'd say that Tennessee leads neither for Russell nor Greenwell.

it was reported on their board a while ago that Tucker seemed to favor Tennessee, but i've not seen anything lately. you have to imagine at the very least that Brenda will pull out all the stops to get a top 10 kid from Maryland...

anyway, my point is i don't care who lands those kids. ABT in my book (Anywhere But Tennessee).

as for the rankings, i tend to believe no one has seen her yet from ESPN. Blue Star now has Chong at 25. i'm not sure where she is on ASGR as they only publish their top 10 for free. from everything i've read about her game, she's very comfortable as either a 1 or 2 guard which would fit in perfectly with Moriah when she arrives.

i have no doubt other shools will be chirping in her ear that she won't get any PT at UCONN, but with Kelly and Caroline gone before Saniya gets here, the only "true" guards would be Bria (SR), Brianna (JR), and Moriah (SO). if she's good enough, she'd be fighting Brianna Banks for a starting spot her sophomore year.

of course, it's always possible you could see starters of Moriah, KML, Morgan, Bree and Kiah, in what would be Saniya's sophomore year, but that is the mix and match options that Geno will be blessed with going forward.

can't ask for more than that when going to a school like UCONN.

 

[Ozzie Nelson]

As for 'coaches rankings' - she has offers from a number of pretty good schools so that suggests a number of coaches do rank her in the 'top 60' in her class, not just Geno.
The other 'ranking' out there would be the USA Basketball one that put her in the top 32 (I think that is the number they invited for trials?)

UCM...Excellent points.

 

[John Glass]

How do you know what college coaches' rankings are?

Geno recruits players based on fit, personality, and ability.
ESPN Hoopgurlz ranks players based on ability.

Just because Geno recruits someone and she's not highly rated by Hoopgurlz does not mean that HG is wrong.

it is difficult to determine college coaches rankings, the best way is to see which schools are offering scholarships

Chong has some good offers, so I would say she is in most coaches top 60.

 

[Fightin Choke]

ericsandiego wrote:

i think it's interesting that of the 3-4 remaining top 10 targets Tennessee is after (Russell, Greenwell, Tucker, Scaife), other schools seem to have really made inroads and i'd say that Tennessee leads neither for Russell nor Greenwell.

You left off Kaela Davis, who is certainly among the 3-4 top 10 targets Tennessee is after, and her inclusion only strengthens your argument. Not good times to be a Lady Vol.

I think UConn's slow start to recruiting has more to do with the bountiful haul from 2012 than anything else.

 

[HuskyFan1125]

in reading the article it sounds like this is just a shuffling and small realignment of the rankings. Hoopgurlz said the top 100 would come out after the USA trials. Smart if you ask me. they want to see how the talent plays against each other. Chong can still be placed high depending on what she does there.

 

[Vowelguy]

it is difficult to determine college coaches rankings, the best way is to see which schools are offering scholarships

Chong has some good offers, so I would say she is in most coaches top 60.

Ok, thanks for clarification; wasn't sure what you meant.

Who else has offered Chong?

 

[Ozzie Nelson]

in reading the article it sounds like this is just a shuffling and small realignment of the rankings. Hoopgurlz said the top 100 would come out after the USA trials. Smart if you ask me. they want to see how the talent plays against each other. Chong can still be placed high depending on what she does there.

My take is that she is unevaluated.

 

[Ozzie Nelson]

Ok, thanks for clarification; wasn't sure what you meant.

Who else has offered Chong?

"According to a tweet by Rich Elliott:
@elliottctpost: #UConn 2013 target Saniya Chong has narrowed her list to UConn, #Maryland, @MiamiWBB, #Louisville, #OhioState and @uncwbb. #UConnBasketball"

 

[HuskyFan1125]

My take is that she is unevaluated.

mine too. so maybe after the trials Hoopgurlz will rank her.

 

[EricLA]

You left off Kaela Davis, who is certainly among the 3-4 top 10 targets Tennessee is after, and her inclusion only strengthens your argument. Not good times to be a Lady Vol.

I think UConn's slow start to recruiting has more to do with the bountiful haul from 2012 than anything else.

you are correct - i did leave her off that list - last i heard, she was not interested in Tennessee and they were not interested in her. that's not to say it hasn't changed, but that's why i didn't include her in tennessee's targets...

 

[JS]

Greenwell would wear green well, I think!

Jeesh.

Step right in and sit anywhere you want.

 

[doggydaddy]

you are correct - i did leave her off that list - last i heard, she was not interested in Tennessee and they were not interested in her. that's not to say it hasn't changed, but that's why i didn't include her in tennessee's targets...

You are correct. The word from those supposedly in the know said that "that ship has sailed".

Now, with UNC signing several of the Tennessee targets, they are "hearing" that there is "fluidity" in her recruiting.

 

[UcMiami]

ericsandiego wrote:

I think UConn's slow start to recruiting has more to do with the bountiful haul from 2012 than anything else.

It sounds to me like the 'slow start' has had little to do with the 2012 class and rather with the two players we targeted preferring other schools/systems/coaches. I haven't seen anything suggesting either DD or TR were put off by the players that will already be at Uconn.
I think we get a little caught up in over-analysing the recruiting business (no, really!) Geno only likes a select number of kids in any given class, and some years those kids individually just prefer other schools/coaches. I think it is actually a lot rarer than we think that a recruit will look at a team and say ... oh, I don't think I can get playing time on that team, better choose my second favorite school.
All you need to do is look at the log jams at a single position on a number of teams in the past to see that if the coach isn't recruit by need, the recruit isn't being particularly rational about the process of playing time.

 

[MilfordHusky]

Chong has some good offers, so I would say she is in most coaches top 60.

Her final 6-8 schools are pretty much all top 15 programs.

 

[MilfordHusky]

Do we know that Samuelson is a 3-star player? The list stopped at #60, and all of those were 4-star players.