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Fame and Fortune. You think a successfull coach in the MAC or FCS is prosperity? Jim Calhoun left Northeastern and he is UConn's Hero. A state like Mass has the resources. They just don't have the intellect.

Why would you go from a successful MAC school to a dumpster fire MAC school like UMass?

Jim Calhoun left Northeastern to coach in something called THE BIG EAST. UMass has nothing like that.

Success in the FCS is prosperity. The Montana State HC turned down Oregon State.

I don’t even think UMass is capable of winning in the FCS right now. There are D2 schools near me that would boat race them.
 
Why would you go from a successful MAC school to a dumpster fire MAC school like UMass?

Jim Calhoun left Northeastern to coach in something called THE BIG EAST. UMass has nothing like that.

Success in the FCS is prosperity. The Montana State HC turned down Oregon State.

I don’t even think UMass is capable of winning in the FCS right now. There are D2 schools near me that would boat race them.
I get it, you think change is impossible. Either UMass will make the commitment to change or it won't. It's looking like it won't, but if it really wants to, then it goes out and makes it happen. UMass as a state flagship has more upside potential than the MAC programs. Maybe Harasymiak is the guy or maybe he isn't. The bigger commitment would be a new stadium but since UMass doesn't have plans for that, I don't see them turning it around.

Curt Cignetti went from IUP > Elon > James Madison (CAA, Sun Belt) > Indiana. You think James Madison was some dream job, an FCS program in the CAA? People take risks and sometimes they payoff bigly. If a young coach can go in and turn UMass around, he'll get his payday soon enough.
 
I get it, you think change is impossible. Either UMass will make the commitment to change or it won't. It's looking like it won't, but if it really wants to, then it goes out and makes it happen. UMass as a state flagship has more upside potential than the MAC programs. Maybe Harasymiak is the guy or maybe he isn't. The bigger commitment would be a new stadium but since UMass doesn't have plans for that, I don't see them turning it around.

Curt Cignetti went from IUP > Elon > James Madison (CAA, Sun Belt) > Indiana. You think James Madison was some dream job, an FCS program in the CAA? People take risks and sometimes they payoff bigly. If a young coach can go in and turn UMass around, he'll get his payday soon enough.
UMass won’t make the commitment to change. It’s a dumpster fire and will only get worse. No one cares. They missed their opportunity when Calipari galvanized the state with their flagship sport - basketball. There was a buzz even in eastern MA and they needed to take that momentum to the state legislature and leverage it in other sports much like UConn did. They are cooked
 
UMass cares and wants to be good but they don’t prioritize it enough. They are even more disadvantaged than UConn. They seem much less supported by benefactors, the state and school. If they can win 6 games, maybe things can improve.
 
We should nuke this thread. Mass is twice the size of Conn and wants to play big league ball on a little league budget. screw them.
 
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I get it, you think change is impossible. Either UMass will make the commitment to change or it won't. It's looking like it won't, but if it really wants to, then it goes out and makes it happen. UMass as a state flagship has more upside potential than the MAC programs. Maybe Harasymiak is the guy or maybe he isn't. The bigger commitment would be a new stadium but since UMass doesn't have plans for that, I don't see them turning it around.

Curt Cignetti went from IUP > Elon > James Madison (CAA, Sun Belt) > Indiana. You think James Madison was some dream job, an FCS program in the CAA? People take risks and sometimes they payoff bigly. If a young coach can go in and turn UMass around, he'll get his payday soon enough.

I don’t think you are for real at this point.
 
I get it, you think change is impossible. Either UMass will make the commitment to change or it won't. It's looking like it won't, but if it really wants to, then it goes out and makes it happen. UMass as a state flagship has more upside potential than the MAC programs. Maybe Harasymiak is the guy or maybe he isn't. The bigger commitment would be a new stadium but since UMass doesn't have plans for that, I don't see them turning it around.

Curt Cignetti went from IUP > Elon > James Madison (CAA, Sun Belt) > Indiana. You think James Madison was some dream job, an FCS program in the CAA? People take risks and sometimes they payoff bigly. If a young coach can go in and turn UMass around, he'll get his payday soon enough.
Your last 2 sentences are right, but nobody as an established HC is taking the risk of handling arguably the worst job in America. A coordinator, sure, because they have less to lose.
 
Your last 2 sentences are right, but nobody as an established HC is taking the risk of handling arguably the worst job in America. A coordinator, sure, because they have less to lose.

No, his last two sentences illustrate his ignorance.

Compared to UMass, yes JMU is a dream job. It has far more support from fans, the school, the state and any other category you can think think. The whole athletic department is fantastic.

It's like he thinks UMass and JMU are equal. It's an absurd belief. UMass doesn't have the prerequisites and conditions for a turnaround in place. It's the sick man of college sports.
 
I was agreeing with the idea that people can take risks and it pay off. Turning around UMass would be massive because it’s an otherwise horrible job.

But no sitting HC is risking that
 
I was agreeing with the idea that people can take risks and it pay off. Turning around UMass would be massive because it’s an otherwise horrible job.

But no sitting HC is risking that

Also without sweeping institutional changes in resourcing and mindset, they aren't attracting some visionary HC. If they hired some football version of Calhoun, then that coach is bouncing at the first opportunity too.
 
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...and yet you support this AD's impactful decision of moving to an unaligned conference, pouring gas on a dumpster fire. Which one is it?

That’s silly. It doesn’t matter what conference they are in. If they were doing this right the MAC wouid be far better. And based on how bad the basketball team is it’s not like they would compete in the A-10.
 
That’s silly. It doesn’t matter what conference they are in. If they were doing this right the MAC wouid be far better. And based on how bad the basketball team is it’s not like they would compete in the A-10.
The MAC would be horrible regardless. Miami is one of two undefeated teams left and they are at #90 in Kenpom. Their only hope of making the NCAA tourney is win the postseason tournament whether they win every MAC game or not. UMass is in a spot where they lost tons of season ticket holders and donors, in a worse league and no younger fans will ever care about a local MAC program with those conference opponent from East, West and Central Michigan. So why bother building a brand new stadium when "fans" wont show up in droves? And the Mullins Center is totally obsolete now too. They are completely cooked
 
The MAC would be horrible regardless. Miami is one of two undefeated teams left and they are at #90 in Kenpom. Their only hope of making the NCAA tourney is win the postseason tournament whether they win every MAC game or not. UMass is in a spot where they lost tons of season ticket holders and donors, in a worse league and no younger fans will ever care about a local MAC program with those conference opponent from East, West and Central Michigan. So why bother building a brand new stadium when "fans" wont show up in droves? And the Mullins Center is totally obsolete now too. They are completely cooked

Well they suck in the MAC so it doesn’t matter.

That ship has sailed. Buh bye.
 
At this point, UMass doesnt have anything to offer someone of a really high caliber that could build their athletic department. Even if you go back to when Jim Calhoun was hired, we had Big East membership as something to sell coaches, players, and fans. UMass doesn’t even have the Atlantic 10 to sell anymore, which was no great shakes anyway. They are in a really tough spot and while I understand moving to the MAC for football, I really don’t see any way to get the fan base excited about much of anything in the MAC. They probably feel their basketball is above the MAC (it was) and that winning the conference just isn’t very exciting no matter what the sport. Flagships of major states are not supposed to be in the MAC. Before anyone tells me that Buffalo is a flagship, I know, but you get my point.
 
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Well they suck in the MAC so it doesn’t matter.

That ship has sailed. Buh bye.
It’s worse than sailed. It sunk and they have less now than they did before. Way to read the room UMass!
 
UMass hoops is 14-9 and 5-6 and 6th place in the MAC. 4,800 at the game yesterday. Last year UMass was 12-20 and 7-11 in the A-10. Leonardo Bettiol leading the team with 17.4 pts per. It seems like there might be more than a flicker at the end of the tunnel. Winning is more fun no matter who you play.
 
The MAC would be horrible regardless. Miami is one of two undefeated teams left and they are at #90 in Kenpom. Their only hope of making the NCAA tourney is win the postseason tournament whether they win every MAC game or not. UMass is in a spot where they lost tons of season ticket holders and donors, in a worse league and no younger fans will ever care about a local MAC program with those conference opponent from East, West and Central Michigan. So why bother building a brand new stadium when "fans" wont show up in droves? And the Mullins Center is totally obsolete now too. They are completely cooked
Just curious, Vuce, why do you think Mullins is obsolete? Is upgrading a viable option?
 
Just curious, Vuce, why do you think Mullins is obsolete? Is upgrading a viable option?
It’s a 9500 seat capacity that is hosting awful MAC teams where it will always be at LEAST half empty and many times 2/3 empty. I don’t mean obsolete in terms of how it looks or anything. UMass just downgraded their basketball program in a huge way and they will never need an arena that big. It’ll take away from any home court advantage they have because of all the empty seats if they ever got decent again. I suggested going back to the Cage to play but didn’t realize they recently repurposed that place for other things. A sub 5000 seat arena still wouldn’t fill up but it would be a lot better
 
UMass hoops is 14-9 and 5-6 and 6th place in the MAC. 4,800 at the game yesterday. Last year UMass was 12-20 and 7-11 in the A-10. Leonardo Bettiol leading the team with 17.4 pts per. It seems like there might be more than a flicker at the end of the tunnel. Winning is more fun no matter who you play.
Yeah that’s why they have less season ticket holders by a lot and donors too. They will need to dominate the MAC like Gonzaga does the WCC and have multiple NCAA tournament appearances for people to buy in again. It won’t do the trick to beat Eastern Michigan and Bowling Green a few more times than they beat St Joe’s and VCU. I know someone in the admin there and they are giving away tickets to youth organizations this year to get people in the building so it doesn’t look as bad. It’s similar to what was going on the last two Ollie years in the AAC except the MAC is much much worse
 
Their lack of winning is more of a detriment than conference. I’ve heard more talk about Miami OH than any A10 team this year. Fans here are generally casual. Win and they will come back.
 
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It’s a 9500 seat capacity that is hosting awful MAC teams where it will always be at LEAST half empty and many times 2/3 empty. I don’t mean obsolete in terms of how it looks or anything. UMass just downgraded their basketball program in a huge way and they will never need an arena that big. It’ll take away from any home court advantage they have because of all the empty seats if they ever got decent again. I suggested going back to the Cage to play but didn’t realize they recently repurposed that place for other things. A sub 5000 seat arena still wouldn’t fill up but it would be a lot better
Loved those old gyms like CHC and Keaney at URI.
 

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