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Why not?

New Mexico State has a crumbling athletics department in terms of $$$$$$. One of the guys who works from me is a NMSU allum and he reiterates all the time that the school isn't that large and is hard-pressed for cash.
 
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I'd bite on that a little if we dropped Maine and Vermont from the mix for football. And Penn State would never accept.....ever....
 
I'd bite on that a little if we dropped Maine and Vermont from the mix for football. And Penn State would never accept.....ever....
Yeah, I'm not suggesting it as a conference, just a comparison of "Flagship Universities".

8 of 10 are non-P5.

UMass, UConn, and UD don't look so bad together.
 
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UMass is too small time. There’s no interest. Their games draw like under 10k sometimes. We don’t need that
 
UMass is too small time. There’s no interest. Their games draw like under 10k sometimes. We don’t need that

Their highest attended 2017 home game drew just north of 12k and they routinely drew under 10k. Their basketball team is also pretty bad. There’s literally no reason to add them. They’ll take more money than they’ll earn us.
 
UMass is too small time. There’s no interest. Their games draw like under 10k sometimes. We don’t need that
I hate to break the news to you, but another year or two of UConn finishing in last place in the AAC, and that is what you will be seeing in the Rent. Five more years of UConn remaining noncompetitive in the AAC and you will see UConn dropping out of FBS football. It could be that other members of the AAC are saying the same about UConn these days. A lot of talk, no action. UConn football has been noncompetitive in the AAC since its inception and men's basketball has been competitive only by a thread. Lots of work to do over the next five years to make UConn great again!
 
I hate to break the news to you, but another year or two of UConn finishing in last place in the AAC, and that is what you will be seeing in the Rent. Five more years of UConn remaining noncompetitive in the AAC and you will see UConn dropping out of FBS football. It could be that other members of the AAC are saying the same about UConn these days. A lot of talk, no action. UConn football has been noncompetitive in the AAC since its inception and men's basketball has been competitive only by a thread. Lots of work to do over the next five years to make UConn great again!
UConn Football went to the Fiesta Bowl and Basketball has won 4 National Championships, since its inception.
 
I hate to break the news to you, but another year or two of UConn finishing in last place in the AAC, and that is what you will be seeing in the Rent. Five more years of UConn remaining noncompetitive in the AAC and you will see UConn dropping out of FBS football. It could be that other members of the AAC are saying the same about UConn these days. A lot of talk, no action. UConn football has been noncompetitive in the AAC since its inception and men's basketball has been competitive only by a thread. Lots of work to do over the next five years to make UConn great again!
We just got a commitment from a top-15 (maybe even top-10) all purpose running back. Step away from the ledge.
 
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We just got a commitment from a top-15 (maybe even top-10) all purpose running back. Step away from the ledge.
I didn't see anything on the 2019 recruiting thread. Where was this?
 
I didn't see anything on the 2019 recruiting thread. Where was this?
He's referring to DJ Smith who committed back in early May.
 
We just got a commitment from a top-15 (maybe even top-10) all purpose running back. Step away from the ledge.
Let's hope it all works out. I don't like when people here mock other schools. Let UConn take care of business first before we all throw stones.
 
We went 1-A in 2000, thank you very much.
Connecticut first fielded a team in 1896, and participated in Division I-AA until 1999. The Huskies began their two-year Division I-A transition period in 2000, and became a full-fledged Division I-A team in 2002. From 2000 to 2003 the team played as an independent. The schools football team then joined the conference of its other sport teams, the Big East (later named the American Athletic Conference in 2013), starting in 2004.
 
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Connecticut first fielded a team in 1896, and participated in Division I-AA until 1999. The Huskies began their two-year Division I-A transition period in 2000, and became a full-fledged Division I-A team in 2002. From 2000 to 2003 the team played as an independent. The schools football team then joined the conference of its other sport teams, the Big East (later named the American Athletic Conference in 2013), starting in 2004.

Oh, a history lesson. Thank you for the enlightenment O wise one. We are forever in your debt. Your job is done here. You can go away now.
 
When does Rutgers get their full allotment of Big Ten revenue? Only then can they be considered a Big Ten member.

What a buffoon you are, @Zissou.
 
When does Rutgers get their full allotment of Big Ten revenue? Only then can they be considered a Big Ten member.

What a buffoon you are, @Zissou.
It is strange how Rutgers gets the B1G logo on their fields and courts of play and uniforms, yet they are not a member of the Big Ten? Please explain. I would love for UConn to do the same.
 
When does Rutgers get their full allotment of Big Ten revenue? Only then can they be considered a Big Ten member.

What a buffoon you are, @Zissou.
I think this year or next, right? Hopefully they will invest in facilities the RAC is a mess.
 
Yeah, I'm not suggesting it as a conference, just a comparison of "Flagship Universities".

8 of 10 are non-P5.

UMass, UConn, and UD don't look so bad together.
Besides Penn State and Rutgers of course the other schools in your list have no business being in the same "flagship list" as UConn. Take your Northeast flagship list, not including Penn State and Rutgers of course, and combine the academic reputation with athletic accomplishments such as NC's or top eight finishes and UConn is a pretty tall Sequoia standing amongst some tiny little trees on my street.

List of NCAA schools with the most NCAA Division I championships - Wikipedia
 
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I hate to break the news to you, but another year or two of UConn finishing in last place in the AAC, and that is what you will be seeing in the Rent. Five more years of UConn remaining noncompetitive in the AAC and you will see UConn dropping out of FBS football. It could be that other members of the AAC are saying the same about UConn these days. A lot of talk, no action. UConn football has been noncompetitive in the AAC since its inception and men's basketball has been competitive only by a thread. Lots of work to do over the next five years to make UConn great again!
Geez "buddy" can you be any more negative on UConn football and men's basketball even with the way recruiting has picked up recently? The two top ranked big men in HS basketball (2019) are both giving Uconn a strong look since Hurley has become our coach. UConn football recruiting has also picked up markedly, especially from in state players. Recruiting is everything in these sports and you obviously don't follow it or maybe you do and you just don't like the way it contradicts your negative propaganda. Top recruits are already seeing something in both programs that makes them want to come here. I predict in five years UConn football will take 2nd in the AAC, that is if we're still in the AAC, and maybe even wins it outright. In men's basketball, UConn will rise from the ashes as early as this fall.
 
Besides Penn State and Rutgers of course the other schools in your list have no business being in the same "flagship list" as UConn. Take your Northeast flagship list, not including Penn State and Rutgers of course, and combine the academic reputation with athletic accomplishments such as NC's or top eight finishes and UConn is a pretty tall Sequoia standing amongst some tiny little trees on my street.

List of NCAA schools with the most NCAA Division I championships - Wikipedia
UConn clearly has the greatest athletic achievements among the northeast flagships mentioned but academically the disparity is not as great. US News has UConn ranked #56 among national universities while UMass is #75 and Delaware is #81, both of which are much higher than most AAC members.
 
UConn clearly has the greatest athletic achievements among the northeast flagships mentioned but academically the disparity is not as great. US News has UConn ranked #56 among national universities while UMass is #75 and Delaware is #81, both of which are much higher than most AAC members.
I'll give you that, but that's for national universities both public and private. UConn is ranked academically #18 (tied with Purdue, Texas, and U Washington) amongst public Universities, and is ranked quite a bit higher than Maryland, Pittsburgh, and Rutgers at #22, #24 and #25 respectively. UMass is #29 academically but athletically is down in the dumper.
 
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Geez "buddy" can you be any more negative on UConn football and men's basketball even with the way recruiting has picked up recently? The two top ranked big men in HS basketball (2019) are both giving Uconn a strong look since Hurley has become our coach. UConn football recruiting has also picked up markedly, especially from in state players. Recruiting is everything in these sports and you obviously don't follow it or maybe you do and you just don't like the way it contradicts your negative propaganda. Top recruits are already seeing something in both programs that makes them want to come here. I predict in five years UConn football will take 2nd in the AAC, that is if we're still in the AAC, and maybe even wins it outright. In men's basketball, UConn will rise from the ashes as early as this fall.
I am not being negative, just stating facts of where UConn has been over the past couple of years. I said nothing about the possibility of improvement, but did state that if UConn does not improve, the picture would be very dismal. I hope that you are correct.
 
Geez "buddy" can you be any more negative on UConn football and men's basketball even with the way recruiting has picked up recently? The two top ranked big men in HS basketball (2019) are both giving Uconn a strong look since Hurley has become our coach. UConn football recruiting has also picked up markedly, especially from in state players. Recruiting is everything in these sports and you obviously don't follow it or maybe you do and you just don't like the way it contradicts your negative propaganda. Top recruits are already seeing something in both programs that makes them want to come here. I predict in five years UConn football will take 2nd in the AAC, that is if we're still in the AAC, and maybe even wins it outright. In men's basketball, UConn will rise from the ashes as early as this fall.

While I think that basketball has a legit chance to return to being nationally competitive in short order, I'd pump the brakes on football a little bit. Comparing the two sports is nearly impossible because building a competitive roster in each is so wildly different.

In basketball Hurley can sell past national titles and proximity to home to get top prospects to come to Storrs. Winning matters. One recruiting class of a couple of blue chippers combined with some returning talent could instantly have the program competing in the tournament. You see this all over the country. Basketball is made for a quick turn around, and Uconn is as good of a candidate as any for one.

Football on the other hand requires the building of a program over the span of 4-5 recruiting classes. Miss badly in a particular season and you potentially set your development back years. Edsall has proven to be a great talent evaluator, solid developer at certain positions(bad at others) and quite honestly an average game day coach. That's not a knock on him, but essentially one person's views of his coaching strengths and weaknesses at both Uconn and UMD.

The issue he faces is that his biggest strength is negated a bit in a day and age where there are few hidden gems to build a program on. Kids compete all over the country in prospect camps and Hudl film is readily available for even FCS and D2 Level Athletes. If you can play plenty of people know about it. A decade ago you could find kids who were high end talents who were completely off the radar of major FBS Programs. Kids who played at small schools or in non traditional areas might as well have been playing on The Moon. That's not the case so much anymore.

Since HCRE's greatest strength has been diminished a bit, The program will need to win more head to head recruiting match ups with low end FBS Programs and peer G5 Programs to become competitively relevant. Winning recruiting battles against Wofford, Villanova, and Georgia Southern will field you a team capable of beating those teams. Its not going to beat UCF, Memphis, UH, or USF on any consistent basis. The RB from Texas you landed is a good start, but he alone can't be the centerpiece of a class. Other AAC Schools will have multiple 3* athletes like him and even the occasional 4*. You can't finish 11th or 12th in recruiting every year and expect the school to win its conference. Its not realistic. Recruiting is the lifeblood of college sports. If collectively the staff assembled can't get it done, then you need to find a new staff. There is too much riding on football for it to be a 4-8 Program. For those who believe stars don't matter tune into OSU's Game against Tulane on 9/22. The difference between a program comprised almost entirely of all 4 & 5 * prospects versus one of all 2 and 3* players will be fully on display.
 
While I think that basketball has a legit chance to return to being nationally competitive in short order, I'd pump the brakes on football a little bit. Comparing the two sports is nearly impossible because building a competitive roster in each is so wildly different.

In basketball Hurley can sell past national titles and proximity to home to get top prospects to come to Storrs. Winning matters. One recruiting class of a couple of blue chippers combined with some returning talent could instantly have the program competing in the tournament. You see this all over the country. Basketball is made for a quick turn around, and Uconn is as good of a candidate as any for one.

Football on the other hand requires the building of a program over the span of 4-5 recruiting classes. Miss badly in a particular season and you potentially set your development back years. Edsall has proven to be a great talent evaluator, solid developer at certain positions(bad at others) and quite honestly an average game day coach. That's not a knock on him, but essentially one person's views of his coaching strengths and weaknesses at both Uconn and UMD.

The issue he faces is that his biggest strength is negated a bit in a day and age where there are few hidden gems to build a program on. Kids compete all over the country in prospect camps and Hudl film is readily available for even FCS and D2 Level Athletes. If you can play plenty of people know about it. A decade ago you could find kids who were high end talents who were completely off the radar of major FBS Programs. Kids who played at small schools or in non traditional areas might as well have been playing on The Moon. That's not the case so much anymore.

Since HCRE's greatest strength has been diminished a bit, The program will need to win more head to head recruiting match ups with low end FBS Programs and peer G5 Programs to become competitively relevant. Winning recruiting battles against Wofford, Villanova, and Georgia Southern will field you a team capable of beating those teams. Its not going to beat UCF, Memphis, UH, or USF on any consistent basis. The RB from Texas you landed is a good start, but he alone can't be the centerpiece of a class. Other AAC Schools will have multiple 3* athletes like him and even the occasional 4*. You can't finish 11th or 12th in recruiting every year and expect the school to win its conference. Its not realistic. Recruiting is the lifeblood of college sports. If collectively the staff assembled can't get it done, then you need to find a new staff. There is too much riding on football for it to be a 4-8 Program. For those who believe stars don't matter tune into OSU's Game against Tulane on 9/22. The difference between a program comprised almost entirely of all 4 & 5 * prospects versus one of all 2 and 3* players will be fully on display.
First of all, I liked your post, agreed with much of it. That being said, what positions is HCRE really bad at in player development?

What about UConn winning recruiting battles with BC, Rutgers, Syracuse? Would doing that help in beating UCF, USF, or UH?

We lost some close games last year, we easily could have had five wins last year instead of three if we make a field goal and an extra point. I think Edsall's an excellent game day coach especially last year with what he had.

I don't think predicting a second place finish with in five years is unrealistic, and I don't think anyone myself included was comparing the timelines of seeing improvement in the men's basketball team vs the football team. Agree 100% that to rebuild a football program with 22 starters and 44 more on the depth chart, can take much longer than a basketball team with just five guys on it at any one time.
 
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