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UConn's Five vs UNC's Five

nomar said:
When they both take the floor as a junior First Team All American and POY, who cares what they did the year before? One game, them both juniors, the gap wasn’t that big.

I thought that’s what we’re taking about, not comparing accolades.
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The gap was that big. We’re taking about MJ. The defense alone makes the gap big.
 
What if you didn’t stop at 5, but instead built best all-time roster from each school. I think UConn wins there
 
superjohn said:
I don't know what you're basing it on. Jordan was always a much better basketball player than Ray Allen. In a hypothetical of starting 5's, Jordan clearly puts UNC over UConn. It's why they tried to exclude Jordan from the discussion.
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This is a pretty dumb debate.

I didn’t say MJ wasn’t a better college basketball player than Ray, but Ray was pretty fantastic. UNC would have the advantage in the positional matchup but it’s not like it’s Lew Alcindor vs Jake Voskuhl. I think people are retconning UNC MJ into Air Jordan. If it was so clear he’d be the GOAT, he’d have been a Blazer. I know Dean Smith held his numbers down but nobody could have predicted what he’d become.

If we’re using these guys as NBA players then it’s no contest. But that’s not what I understand the debate to be.
 
nomar said:
This is a pretty dumb debate.

I didn’t say MJ wasn’t a better college basketball player than Ray, but Ray was pretty fantastic. UNC would have the advantage in the positional matchup but it’s not like it’s Lew Alcindor vs Jake Voskuhl. I think people are retconning UNC MJ into Air Jordan. If it was so clear he’d be the GOAT, he’d have been a Blazer. I know Dean Smith held his numbers down but nobody could have predicted what he’d become.

If we’re using these guys as NBA players then it’s no contest. But that’s not what I understand the debate to be.
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We're talking about Jordan as a college player.

We all know Ray Allen was fantastic. I thought we also all knew he was never close to Jordan as a basketball player in college or the pros.

Bobby Knight said Jordan was the best basketball player he's ever seen before Jordan ever put on a Bulls jersey.

Jordan not being picked by the idiotic front office of the Trailblazers is about them being idiots thinking they needed a center and Jordan couldn't play with Drexler instead of realizing he was a once in a generation player. Plenty of people saw it before Jordan got to the NBA. Nike bet the future of their company on him before he ever played an NBA game.
 
superjohn said:
We're talking about Jordan as a college player.

We all know Ray Allen was fantastic. I thought we also all knew he was never close to Jordan as a basketball player in college or the pros.

Bobby Knight said Jordan was the best basketball player he's ever seen before Jordan ever put on a Bulls jersey.

Jordan not being picked by the idiotic front office of the Trailblazers is about them being idiots thinking they needed a center and Jordan couldn't play with Drexler instead of realizing he was a once in a generation player. Plenty of people saw it before Jordan got to the NBA. Nike bet the future of their company on him before he ever played an NBA game.
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The pro stuff has nothibg to do with the prompt, as @nomar is saying. There’s 0 reason to try to shoehorn either guy’s NBA ability into the conversation
 
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CardiacAndre7 said:
The pro stuff has nothibg to do with the prompt, as @nomar is saying. There’s 0 reason to try to shoehorn either guy’s NBA ability into the conversation
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Reading comprehension.

We're talking about Jordan as a college player.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
“I thought we also all knew he was never close to Jordan as a basketball player in college or the pros.”
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I said we're talking about him as a college player. Nomar brought up Jordan as an NBA player which I responded to and he again brought up Jordan as an NBA player which I responded to.

Follow the thread.
 
superjohn said:
I said we're talking about him as a college player. Nomar brought up Jordan as an NBA player which I responded to and he again brought up Jordan as an NBA player which I responded to.

Follow the thread.
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You brought up Jordan as an NBA player in the 4th reply on this thread, before Nomar even commented. What are you talking about lol
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
You brought up Jordan as an NBA player in the 4th reply on this thread, before Nomar even commented. What are you talking about lol
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That was an example to show how dumb the debate the former UNC players and Charlie V are having. If you take Jordan off of UNC of course they are nowhere near as formidable. UConn wouldn't be anywhere near as formidable if Ray or Okafor were taken off of UConn.

Come on dude. Actually try and follow the thread.
 
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superjohn said:
That was an example to show how dumb the debate the former UNC players and Charlie V are having. If you take Jordan off of UNC of course they are nowhere near as formidable. UConn wouldn't be anywhere near as formidable if Ray or Okafor were taken off of UConn.

Come on dude. Actually try and follow the thread.
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But that’s the debate they’re having, so discuss that lmao. You can start a podcast and have your own debate with Jordan alone vs UConn if you’d like.

You keep bringing up Jordan’s god like NBA ability, Nomar’s only NBA comment was to say that gulf between Ray and Jordan was smaller in college than the NBA and you were taken aback.

They have similar stats at their best in college. Obviously Jordan was a better player, but we aren’t talking 94-96 Jordan here.
 
nomar said:
This is a pretty dumb debate.

I didn’t say MJ wasn’t a better college basketball player than Ray, but Ray was pretty fantastic. UNC would have the advantage in the positional matchup but it’s not like it’s Lew Alcindor vs Jake Voskuhl. I think people are retconning UNC MJ into Air Jordan. If it was so clear he’d be the GOAT, he’d have been a Blazer. I know Dean Smith held his numbers down but nobody could have predicted what he’d become.

If we’re using these guys as NBA players then it’s no contest. But that’s not what I understand the debate to be.
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He'd have been a Rocket.

Says something about how great Hakeem was that even in a draft that featured Michael Jordan it's taken as a given that Olajuwon went No. 1
 
Jordan would clearly be the best player on the floor, but there are other caveats to who would win. I don't think anybody from NC matches up with Kemba. Kemba as a junior was a mix of pure speed and physicality at that position. He was really tough at both ends of the floor.
Ray is inferior to Jordan, but at their college peaks not by a ton. The question is are they playing with a 3 point line. It wasn't a thing in Jordan's college years and his outside shot didn't really come to be consistent until half way through his pro career. It's tough to compare. The closest thing I can look to is their 3 pt percentage their rookie years in the NBA. Ray's 3pt percentage was twice what Jordan's was, but the line was further back.
I think RIP or Caron would hold their own at SF.
Worthy was a great college PF. I think he and Yell would be another intriguing matchup.
At center, Okafor could hold is own with anyone.

Again the rules would be a factor and I know NC fans would hate to hear this, but coaching is a big part of winning and I respect Dean Smith greatly, but I take Calhoun for Xs and Os in a head to head matchup over any coach. People often talk about his toughness and imposing his will, but he was great at coming up with schemes and plays for big games.

I think it would be more interesting like some have mentioned was building a 10 man roster to win a game head to head. They don't have to be the best 10 players in the programs history, but the 10 you would take to work as a team and win a game. For example, do you take Moore and Castle and try to wear Jordan down? Do you take DC because of the combination of strength and how much space he just ate up or do you take Thabeet or go all the way back to Quimby. For me, that's fun to think about.
 
Let's also look beyond the individual players here.

There'd be a 3 pt line and none of the guards or small forwards on UNC are noted as being great 3 pt shooters. Carter, Jordan (wasn't his specialty), Stackhouse, Phil Ford, etc. We'd have Ray, Rip and Kemba on the arc. With Okafor protecting the middle (DPOY).
 
Deepster said:
Let's also look beyond the individual players here.

There'd be a 3 pt line and none of the guards or small forwards on UNC are noted as being great 3 pt shooters. Carter, Jordan (wasn't his specialty), Stackhouse, Phil Ford, etc. We'd have Ray, Rip and Kemba on the arc. With Okafor protecting the middle (DPOY).
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When I first heard them bring this topic up I thought to myself “This is fun but it has to be UNC, right?”. But when you think about it in respect to the modern game, I think our guys would win. UNC definitely has big depth advantage if it was a full roster, but I think out guards/wings are somewhat easily clear.
 
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Inyatkin said:
He'd have been a Rocket.

Says something about how great Hakeem was that even in a draft that featured Michael Jordan it's taken as a given that Olajuwon went No. 1
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You're right. The way I framed it (20/20 hindsight), the Rockets certainly would have picked him #1. (Although some people do disagree.) Everybody rightfully gives Houston a pass because of how amazing (H)akeem was.
 
superjohn said:
We're talking about Jordan as a college player.

We all know Ray Allen was fantastic. I thought we also all knew he was never close to Jordan as a basketball player in college or the pros.

Bobby Knight said Jordan was the best basketball player he's ever seen before Jordan ever put on a Bulls jersey.

Jordan not being picked by the idiotic front office of the Trailblazers is about them being idiots thinking they needed a center and Jordan couldn't play with Drexler instead of realizing he was a once in a generation player. Plenty of people saw it before Jordan got to the NBA. Nike bet the future of their company on him before he ever played an NBA game.
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That's what Knight said after the Olympics, you're right. He was very impressed. OTOH, here's what the guy who drafted Jordan thought:

“When I drafted him, I said, ‘OK, we’re gonna get a good player here,'” said Rod Thorn, the Nets president who was Chicago’s GM when the Bulls had the No. 3 pick in 1984.

“I thought, he’ll come in and play and help us. But to think that he would be what he turned out to be? No way. No way.”

As great as his trade was for Jason Kidd, turning the Nets into a championship contender for the first time, Thorn’s drafting of Jordan will always be his legacy as an NBA executive. Before the Nets took on Detroit in the Meadowlands this past week, he sat at courtside and talked about the draft that changed the course of pro basketball history.

“Back then, the knock on Michael was that he couldn’t shoot the ball,” Thorn recalled. “For a long time, that first season, he just drove the ball to the basket and he didn’t need a shot. But Michael was so smart, he learned from taking some mighty licks. So he said, ‘I gotta get a jump shot,’ and he got one. But when we looked at him for the draft, he was 195 pounds and 6-6, so he was kind of thin. So the biggest thing about him was, can he make a shot? We wondered what kind of shooter he’d be.”

UNC MJ was amazing. He wasn't Air Jordan, yet.
 
nomar said:
That's what Knight said after the Olympics, you're right. He was very impressed. OTOH, here's what the guy who drafted Jordan thought:

“When I drafted him, I said, ‘OK, we’re gonna get a good player here,'” said Rod Thorn, the Nets president who was Chicago’s GM when the Bulls had the No. 3 pick in 1984.

“I thought, he’ll come in and play and help us. But to think that he would be what he turned out to be? No way. No way.”

As great as his trade was for Jason Kidd, turning the Nets into a championship contender for the first time, Thorn’s drafting of Jordan will always be his legacy as an NBA executive. Before the Nets took on Detroit in the Meadowlands this past week, he sat at courtside and talked about the draft that changed the course of pro basketball history.

“Back then, the knock on Michael was that he couldn’t shoot the ball,” Thorn recalled. “For a long time, that first season, he just drove the ball to the basket and he didn’t need a shot. But Michael was so smart, he learned from taking some mighty licks. So he said, ‘I gotta get a jump shot,’ and he got one. But when we looked at him for the draft, he was 195 pounds and 6-6, so he was kind of thin. So the biggest thing about him was, can he make a shot? We wondered what kind of shooter he’d be.”

UNC MJ was amazing. He wasn't Air Jordan, yet.
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Nike finalized his contract on the day of his first NBA game and Air Jordan was born, the rest is history.

The deal was three times bigger than any other basketball deal in history which had a royalties structure unlike anything we had ever seen in sports. It made him a billionaire and changed everything in sports marketing. Before he ever played an NBA game Nike knew he was something we hadn't seen before.

 
I love Vince Carter, but he never really capitalized on his talents, I think that he was an exciting and inefficient high volume player and then he morphed into a really nice role player over his career but the mental game and the physical gifts never really overlapped for him
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
But that’s the debate they’re having, so discuss that lmao. You can start a podcast and have your own debate with Jordan alone vs UConn if you’d like.

You keep bringing up Jordan’s god like NBA ability, Nomar’s only NBA comment was to say that gulf between Ray and Jordan was smaller in college than the NBA and you were taken aback.

They have similar stats at their best in college. Obviously Jordan was a better player, but we aren’t talking 94-96 Jordan here.
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Again, Nomar brought up Jordan's god like NBA ability and I responded to him. Deepster said Ray and Rip no doubt stack up with Jordan in college and I responded to him.

This is Waylon level trolling.

"They have similar stats in college." This is also how I evaluated players when I was 8 years old.
 
PNolanFan said:
I love Vince Carter, but he never really capitalized on his talents, I think that he was an exciting and inefficient high volume player and then he morphed into a really nice role player over his career but the mental game and the physical gifts never really overlapped for him
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The guy played in the league in 4 separate decades and has a play named “The Dunk of Death”. His grandkids won’t be shamed.
 
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superjohn said:
Again, Nomar brought up Jordan's god like NBA ability and I responded to him. Deepster said Ray and Rip no doubt stack up with Jordan in college and I responded to him.

This is Waylon level trolling.

"They have similar stats in college." This is also how I evaluated players when I was 8 years old.
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Ray stacks up! As much as you don’t want it to be true, it is.

And enough of the belittling and high horse stuff. The undertones of your entire opinion are based on Jordan’s NBA ability. If you stuck to the topic at hand, one would reach the conclusion that they aren’t miles away COLLEGE WISE.

I am not trolling, I am simply trying to put in black and white the point @nomar and myself are trying to make. He is actively attempting to separate the NBA aspect from the conversation while you actively attempt to prove that they are so incomparable because of it.
 
Let's have AI decide it....

You said:​

Run a one game simulation between the men's college basketball teams from UConn and UNC. The UConn starting five is Kemba Walker, Ray Allen, Rip Hamilton, Donyell Marshall and Emeka Okafor. UConn has Caron Butler coming off the bench and Jim Calhoun as head coach. The UNC starting five is Ty Lawson, Michael Jordan, Vince Carter, James Worthy and Tyler Hansborough. UNC has Antawn Jamison coming off the bench and Dean Smith as head coach. You can only simulate the players based on just their college skillset and statistics, no professional NBA influence. And the game is played with today's college shotclock, rules and 3 point line.

Below is a single-game simulation played strictly as a college basketball matchup, using only college-era skills, roles, tendencies, and production, under modern NCAA men’s rules (30‑second shot clock, 22’1” three‑point line, current foul rules).
This is not an NBA or “career peak” simulation.

Game Setup​

Venue: Neutral court (NCAA-style arena)
Rules:
  • 30-second shot clock
  • Modern 3‑point line (22’1”)
  • Emphasis on spacing, ball screens, switching defenses
  • Coaches actively manage rotations and tempo

UConn Huskies (Calhoun Era Identity)​

Head Coach: Jim Calhoun
Style: Physical defense, disciplined half-court offense, rebounding, toughness

Starters​

  • PG: Kemba Walker (2010–11 level) – explosive scorer, late-clock creator
  • SG: Ray Allen (1995–96) – elite movement shooter, secondary handler
  • SF: Rip Hamilton (1997–98) – constant off-ball motion, midrange assassin
  • PF: Donyell Marshall (1993–94) – stretch-capable forward, weakside shot blocker
  • C: Emeka Okafor (2003–04) – elite rim protector, post finisher
Key Bench
  • Caron Butler – slashing wing, physical scorer, defensive versatility

UNC Tar Heels (Dean Smith System)​

Head Coach: Dean Smith
Style: Fast break, secondary transition, ball movement, spacing, unselfishness

Starters​

  • PG: Ty Lawson (2008–09) – lightning-quick, transition engine
  • SG: Michael Jordan (1983–84) – slashing scorer, lockdown perimeter defender
  • SF: Vince Carter (1997–98) – explosive athlete, weakside scoring threat
  • PF: James Worthy (1981–82) – elite finisher, mismatch nightmare
  • C: Tyler Hansbrough (2008–09) – relentless motor, interior scorer
Key Bench

  • Antawn Jamison – instant offense, rebounding, scoring versatility

First Half Simulation​

Opening 10 Minutes​

  • UNC pushes tempo early. Lawson repeatedly beats the first line of defense.
  • Jordan attacks Rip Hamilton off the dribble; Worthy leaks out in transition.
  • UConn counters by feeding Okafor, who establishes deep position on Hansbrough.
  • Ray Allen hits two early threes off staggered screens.
Score (10:00):
UNC 20 – UConn 18

Middle Stretch​

  • Calhoun slows the game, emphasizing physicality.
  • Butler checks in and immediately draws fouls attacking Carter.
  • Kemba Walker begins isolating late in the shot clock, hitting pull-up jumpers.
  • UNC’s ball movement shines: extra passes lead to Carter corner threes.
Score (5:00):
UNC 33 – UConn 30

End of Half​

  • Defensive intensity ramps up.
  • Jordan strips Walker for a breakaway dunk.
  • Okafor answers with a put-back dunk and a block on Worthy.
  • Ray Allen curls for a buzzer-beating three.
Halftime Score:
UConn 42 – UNC 41

Second Half Simulation​

Early Second Half​

  • UNC opens with a 7–0 run sparked by Lawson penetration.
  • Hansbrough draws consecutive fouls, attacking Marshall off the bounce.
  • Calhoun responds by running high ball screens for Walker.
  • Walker scores 9 straight points (3 pull-up jumpers, one deep three).
Score (12:00):
UConn 56 – UNC 54

Middle Stretch​

  • Jamison checks in and immediately scores on back-to-back possessions.
  • UNC briefly plays small, spreading the floor.
  • Okafor dominates defensively: two blocks and altered shots force UNC into jumpers.
  • Rip Hamilton scores repeatedly off baseline curls.
Score (6:00):
UConn 68 – UNC 66

Final 5 Minutes​

  • Game slows into half-court execution.
  • Jordan takes over defensively, denying Walker driving lanes.
  • Carter hits a massive three in semi-transition.
  • Butler answers with a strong and-one finish.
  • With 1:30 left, Walker hits a step-back three over Lawson.
Score (1:30):
UConn 75 – UNC 74

Final Possessions​

  • UNC runs a classic Dean Smith set: Jordan draws two defenders and kicks to Worthy for a layup.
  • UConn answers by dumping it to Okafor, who scores over Hansbrough.
  • Final UNC possession: Jordan attacks, Okafor rotates and forces a miss.
  • Walker seals it with free throws.

Final Score​

UConn 81 – UNC 78​

Player Highlights (College Context Only)​

UConn​

  • Kemba Walker: 24 pts, 5 ast – late-game closer
  • Ray Allen: 18 pts, 4 threes – spacing changed the game
  • Emeka Okafor: 14 pts, 13 reb, 5 blk – defensive anchor
  • Caron Butler: 11 pts off bench – physicality and toughness

UNC​

  • Michael Jordan: 22 pts, 4 ast, elite defense – best all-around Tar Heel
  • Ty Lawson: 15 pts, 7 ast – pace controller
  • James Worthy: 14 pts – efficiency inside
  • Antawn Jamison: 10 pts off bench

Why UConn Wins (Narrowly)​

  • Interior defense: Okafor’s rim protection swings key possessions
  • Shot creation: Walker + Allen outperform UNC’s late-game spacing
  • Modern shot clock: Favors Walker’s isolation scoring more than UNC’s motion sets
 
Deepster said:
Let's have AI decide it....

You said:​

Run a one game simulation between the men's college basketball teams from UConn and UNC. The UConn starting five is Kemba Walker, Ray Allen, Rip Hamilton, Donyell Marshall and Emeka Okafor. UConn has Caron Butler coming off the bench and Jim Calhoun as head coach. The UNC starting five is Ty Lawson, Michael Jordan, Vince Carter, James Worthy and Tyler Hansborough. UNC has Antawn Jamison coming off the bench and Dean Smith as head coach. You can only simulate the players based on just their college skillset and statistics, no professional NBA influence. And the game is played with today's college shotclock, rules and 3 point line.

Below is a single-game simulation played strictly as a college basketball matchup, using only college-era skills, roles, tendencies, and production, under modern NCAA men’s rules (30‑second shot clock, 22’1” three‑point line, current foul rules).
This is not an NBA or “career peak” simulation.

Game Setup​

Venue: Neutral court (NCAA-style arena)
Rules:
  • 30-second shot clock
  • Modern 3‑point line (22’1”)
  • Emphasis on spacing, ball screens, switching defenses
  • Coaches actively manage rotations and tempo

UConn Huskies (Calhoun Era Identity)​

Head Coach: Jim Calhoun
Style: Physical defense, disciplined half-court offense, rebounding, toughness

Starters​

  • PG: Kemba Walker (2010–11 level) – explosive scorer, late-clock creator
  • SG: Ray Allen (1995–96) – elite movement shooter, secondary handler
  • SF: Rip Hamilton (1997–98) – constant off-ball motion, midrange assassin
  • PF: Donyell Marshall (1993–94) – stretch-capable forward, weakside shot blocker
  • C: Emeka Okafor (2003–04) – elite rim protector, post finisher
Key Bench
  • Caron Butler – slashing wing, physical scorer, defensive versatility

UNC Tar Heels (Dean Smith System)​

Head Coach: Dean Smith
Style: Fast break, secondary transition, ball movement, spacing, unselfishness

Starters​

  • PG: Ty Lawson (2008–09) – lightning-quick, transition engine
  • SG: Michael Jordan (1983–84) – slashing scorer, lockdown perimeter defender
  • SF: Vince Carter (1997–98) – explosive athlete, weakside scoring threat
  • PF: James Worthy (1981–82) – elite finisher, mismatch nightmare
  • C: Tyler Hansbrough (2008–09) – relentless motor, interior scorer
Key Bench

  • Antawn Jamison – instant offense, rebounding, scoring versatility

First Half Simulation​

Opening 10 Minutes​

  • UNC pushes tempo early. Lawson repeatedly beats the first line of defense.
  • Jordan attacks Rip Hamilton off the dribble; Worthy leaks out in transition.
  • UConn counters by feeding Okafor, who establishes deep position on Hansbrough.
  • Ray Allen hits two early threes off staggered screens.
Score (10:00):
UNC 20 – UConn 18

Middle Stretch​

  • Calhoun slows the game, emphasizing physicality.
  • Butler checks in and immediately draws fouls attacking Carter.
  • Kemba Walker begins isolating late in the shot clock, hitting pull-up jumpers.
  • UNC’s ball movement shines: extra passes lead to Carter corner threes.
Score (5:00):
UNC 33 – UConn 30

End of Half​

  • Defensive intensity ramps up.
  • Jordan strips Walker for a breakaway dunk.
  • Okafor answers with a put-back dunk and a block on Worthy.
  • Ray Allen curls for a buzzer-beating three.
Halftime Score:
UConn 42 – UNC 41

Second Half Simulation​

Early Second Half​

  • UNC opens with a 7–0 run sparked by Lawson penetration.
  • Hansbrough draws consecutive fouls, attacking Marshall off the bounce.
  • Calhoun responds by running high ball screens for Walker.
  • Walker scores 9 straight points (3 pull-up jumpers, one deep three).
Score (12:00):
UConn 56 – UNC 54

Middle Stretch​

  • Jamison checks in and immediately scores on back-to-back possessions.
  • UNC briefly plays small, spreading the floor.
  • Okafor dominates defensively: two blocks and altered shots force UNC into jumpers.
  • Rip Hamilton scores repeatedly off baseline curls.
Score (6:00):
UConn 68 – UNC 66

Final 5 Minutes​

  • Game slows into half-court execution.
  • Jordan takes over defensively, denying Walker driving lanes.
  • Carter hits a massive three in semi-transition.
  • Butler answers with a strong and-one finish.
  • With 1:30 left, Walker hits a step-back three over Lawson.
Score (1:30):
UConn 75 – UNC 74

Final Possessions​

  • UNC runs a classic Dean Smith set: Jordan draws two defenders and kicks to Worthy for a layup.
  • UConn answers by dumping it to Okafor, who scores over Hansbrough.
  • Final UNC possession: Jordan attacks, Okafor rotates and forces a miss.
  • Walker seals it with free throws.

Final Score​

UConn 81 – UNC 78​

Player Highlights (College Context Only)​

UConn​

  • Kemba Walker: 24 pts, 5 ast – late-game closer
  • Ray Allen: 18 pts, 4 threes – spacing changed the game
  • Emeka Okafor: 14 pts, 13 reb, 5 blk – defensive anchor
  • Caron Butler: 11 pts off bench – physicality and toughness

UNC​

  • Michael Jordan: 22 pts, 4 ast, elite defense – best all-around Tar Heel
  • Ty Lawson: 15 pts, 7 ast – pace controller
  • James Worthy: 14 pts – efficiency inside
  • Antawn Jamison: 10 pts off bench

Why UConn Wins (Narrowly)​

  • Interior defense: Okafor’s rim protection swings key possessions
  • Shot creation: Walker + Allen outperform UNC’s late-game spacing
  • Modern shot clock: Favors Walker’s isolation scoring more than UNC’s motion sets
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It cannot be! Jordan would have scored 60 and slayed a dragon at half.
 
superjohn said:
Nike finalized his contract on the day of his first NBA game and Air Jordan was born, the rest is history.

The deal was three times bigger than any other basketball deal in history which had a royalties structure unlike anything we had ever seen in sports. It made him a billionaire and changed everything in sports marketing. Before he ever played an NBA game Nike knew he was something we hadn't seen before.

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Great, they predicted he'd be a great NBA player. And?

Kenny Smith has talked about how hard MJ worked after leaving UNC, and through the Olympics, to tighten his handle and improve his game. Everything you're talking about happened after he left UNC.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Ray stacks up! As much as you don’t want it to be true, it is.

And enough of the belittling and high horse stuff. The undertones of your entire opinion are based on Jordan’s NBA ability. If you stuck to the topic at hand, one would reach the conclusion that they aren’t miles away COLLEGE WISE.

I am not trolling, I am simply trying to put in black and white the point @nomar and myself are trying to make. He is actively attempting to separate the NBA aspect from the conversation while you actively attempt to prove that they are so incomparable because of it.
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The undertones of my entire position!

All say it again, Jordan was way better than Ray Allen in college. Deepster and Nomar brought up Jordan in the NBA.

This is even worse than Waylon.
 
superjohn said:
The undertones of my entire position!

All say it again, Jordan was way better than Ray Allen in college. Deepster and Nomar brought up Jordan in the NBA.

This is even worse than Waylon.
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You brought up the NBA before either of them posted in this thread. I mean, it’s literally in print on page 1.

I understand now, you’re just being argumentative and difficult. That’s okay. Carry on.

Also if you read his posts (evidently you haven’t) @Deepster didn’t once bring up Jordan in the NBA. So you’re just actively lying.
 
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