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UConn's Five vs UNC's Five

That's what Knight said after the Olympics, you're right. He was very impressed. OTOH, here's what the guy who drafted Jordan thought:

“When I drafted him, I said, ‘OK, we’re gonna get a good player here,'” said Rod Thorn, the Nets president who was Chicago’s GM when the Bulls had the No. 3 pick in 1984.

“I thought, he’ll come in and play and help us. But to think that he would be what he turned out to be? No way. No way.”

As great as his trade was for Jason Kidd, turning the Nets into a championship contender for the first time, Thorn’s drafting of Jordan will always be his legacy as an NBA executive. Before the Nets took on Detroit in the Meadowlands this past week, he sat at courtside and talked about the draft that changed the course of pro basketball history.

“Back then, the knock on Michael was that he couldn’t shoot the ball,” Thorn recalled. “For a long time, that first season, he just drove the ball to the basket and he didn’t need a shot. But Michael was so smart, he learned from taking some mighty licks. So he said, ‘I gotta get a jump shot,’ and he got one. But when we looked at him for the draft, he was 195 pounds and 6-6, so he was kind of thin. So the biggest thing about him was, can he make a shot? We wondered what kind of shooter he’d be.”


UNC MJ was amazing. He wasn't Air Jordan, yet.
Nike finalized his contract on the day of his first NBA game and Air Jordan was born, the rest is history.

The deal was three times bigger than any other basketball deal in history which had a royalties structure unlike anything we had ever seen in sports. It made him a billionaire and changed everything in sports marketing. Before he ever played an NBA game Nike knew he was something we hadn't seen before.

 
I love Vince Carter, but he never really capitalized on his talents, I think that he was an exciting and inefficient high volume player and then he morphed into a really nice role player over his career but the mental game and the physical gifts never really overlapped for him
 
But that’s the debate they’re having, so discuss that lmao. You can start a podcast and have your own debate with Jordan alone vs UConn if you’d like.

You keep bringing up Jordan’s god like NBA ability, Nomar’s only NBA comment was to say that gulf between Ray and Jordan was smaller in college than the NBA and you were taken aback.

They have similar stats at their best in college. Obviously Jordan was a better player, but we aren’t talking 94-96 Jordan here.
Again, Nomar brought up Jordan's god like NBA ability and I responded to him. Deepster said Ray and Rip no doubt stack up with Jordan in college and I responded to him.

This is Waylon level trolling.

"They have similar stats in college." This is also how I evaluated players when I was 8 years old.
 
I love Vince Carter, but he never really capitalized on his talents, I think that he was an exciting and inefficient high volume player and then he morphed into a really nice role player over his career but the mental game and the physical gifts never really overlapped for him
The guy played in the league in 4 separate decades and has a play named “The Dunk of Death”. His grandkids won’t be shamed.
 
Again, Nomar brought up Jordan's god like NBA ability and I responded to him. Deepster said Ray and Rip no doubt stack up with Jordan in college and I responded to him.

This is Waylon level trolling.

"They have similar stats in college." This is also how I evaluated players when I was 8 years old.
Ray stacks up! As much as you don’t want it to be true, it is.

And enough of the belittling and high horse stuff. The undertones of your entire opinion are based on Jordan’s NBA ability. If you stuck to the topic at hand, one would reach the conclusion that they aren’t miles away COLLEGE WISE.

I am not trolling, I am simply trying to put in black and white the point @nomar and myself are trying to make. He is actively attempting to separate the NBA aspect from the conversation while you actively attempt to prove that they are so incomparable because of it.
 
Let's have AI decide it....


You said:​

Run a one game simulation between the men's college basketball teams from UConn and UNC. The UConn starting five is Kemba Walker, Ray Allen, Rip Hamilton, Donyell Marshall and Emeka Okafor. UConn has Caron Butler coming off the bench and Jim Calhoun as head coach. The UNC starting five is Ty Lawson, Michael Jordan, Vince Carter, James Worthy and Tyler Hansborough. UNC has Antawn Jamison coming off the bench and Dean Smith as head coach. You can only simulate the players based on just their college skillset and statistics, no professional NBA influence. And the game is played with today's college shotclock, rules and 3 point line.

Below is a single-game simulation played strictly as a college basketball matchup, using only college-era skills, roles, tendencies, and production, under modern NCAA men’s rules (30‑second shot clock, 22’1” three‑point line, current foul rules).
This is not an NBA or “career peak” simulation.


Game Setup​

Venue: Neutral court (NCAA-style arena)
Rules:
  • 30-second shot clock
  • Modern 3‑point line (22’1”)
  • Emphasis on spacing, ball screens, switching defenses
  • Coaches actively manage rotations and tempo

UConn Huskies (Calhoun Era Identity)​

Head Coach: Jim Calhoun
Style: Physical defense, disciplined half-court offense, rebounding, toughness

Starters​

  • PG: Kemba Walker (2010–11 level) – explosive scorer, late-clock creator
  • SG: Ray Allen (1995–96) – elite movement shooter, secondary handler
  • SF: Rip Hamilton (1997–98) – constant off-ball motion, midrange assassin
  • PF: Donyell Marshall (1993–94) – stretch-capable forward, weakside shot blocker
  • C: Emeka Okafor (2003–04) – elite rim protector, post finisher
Key Bench
  • Caron Butler – slashing wing, physical scorer, defensive versatility

UNC Tar Heels (Dean Smith System)​

Head Coach: Dean Smith
Style: Fast break, secondary transition, ball movement, spacing, unselfishness

Starters​

  • PG: Ty Lawson (2008–09) – lightning-quick, transition engine
  • SG: Michael Jordan (1983–84) – slashing scorer, lockdown perimeter defender
  • SF: Vince Carter (1997–98) – explosive athlete, weakside scoring threat
  • PF: James Worthy (1981–82) – elite finisher, mismatch nightmare
  • C: Tyler Hansbrough (2008–09) – relentless motor, interior scorer
Key Bench

  • Antawn Jamison – instant offense, rebounding, scoring versatility

First Half Simulation​

Opening 10 Minutes​

  • UNC pushes tempo early. Lawson repeatedly beats the first line of defense.
  • Jordan attacks Rip Hamilton off the dribble; Worthy leaks out in transition.
  • UConn counters by feeding Okafor, who establishes deep position on Hansbrough.
  • Ray Allen hits two early threes off staggered screens.
Score (10:00):
UNC 20 – UConn 18

Middle Stretch​

  • Calhoun slows the game, emphasizing physicality.
  • Butler checks in and immediately draws fouls attacking Carter.
  • Kemba Walker begins isolating late in the shot clock, hitting pull-up jumpers.
  • UNC’s ball movement shines: extra passes lead to Carter corner threes.
Score (5:00):
UNC 33 – UConn 30

End of Half​

  • Defensive intensity ramps up.
  • Jordan strips Walker for a breakaway dunk.
  • Okafor answers with a put-back dunk and a block on Worthy.
  • Ray Allen curls for a buzzer-beating three.
Halftime Score:
UConn 42 – UNC 41



Second Half Simulation​

Early Second Half​

  • UNC opens with a 7–0 run sparked by Lawson penetration.
  • Hansbrough draws consecutive fouls, attacking Marshall off the bounce.
  • Calhoun responds by running high ball screens for Walker.
  • Walker scores 9 straight points (3 pull-up jumpers, one deep three).
Score (12:00):
UConn 56 – UNC 54

Middle Stretch​

  • Jamison checks in and immediately scores on back-to-back possessions.
  • UNC briefly plays small, spreading the floor.
  • Okafor dominates defensively: two blocks and altered shots force UNC into jumpers.
  • Rip Hamilton scores repeatedly off baseline curls.
Score (6:00):
UConn 68 – UNC 66

Final 5 Minutes​

  • Game slows into half-court execution.
  • Jordan takes over defensively, denying Walker driving lanes.
  • Carter hits a massive three in semi-transition.
  • Butler answers with a strong and-one finish.
  • With 1:30 left, Walker hits a step-back three over Lawson.
Score (1:30):
UConn 75 – UNC 74


Final Possessions​

  • UNC runs a classic Dean Smith set: Jordan draws two defenders and kicks to Worthy for a layup.
  • UConn answers by dumping it to Okafor, who scores over Hansbrough.
  • Final UNC possession: Jordan attacks, Okafor rotates and forces a miss.
  • Walker seals it with free throws.

Final Score​

UConn 81 – UNC 78


Player Highlights (College Context Only)​

UConn​

  • Kemba Walker: 24 pts, 5 ast – late-game closer
  • Ray Allen: 18 pts, 4 threes – spacing changed the game
  • Emeka Okafor: 14 pts, 13 reb, 5 blk – defensive anchor
  • Caron Butler: 11 pts off bench – physicality and toughness

UNC​

  • Michael Jordan: 22 pts, 4 ast, elite defense – best all-around Tar Heel
  • Ty Lawson: 15 pts, 7 ast – pace controller
  • James Worthy: 14 pts – efficiency inside
  • Antawn Jamison: 10 pts off bench

Why UConn Wins (Narrowly)​

  • Interior defense: Okafor’s rim protection swings key possessions
  • Shot creation: Walker + Allen outperform UNC’s late-game spacing
  • Modern shot clock: Favors Walker’s isolation scoring more than UNC’s motion sets
 
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Let's have AI decide it....


You said:​

Run a one game simulation between the men's college basketball teams from UConn and UNC. The UConn starting five is Kemba Walker, Ray Allen, Rip Hamilton, Donyell Marshall and Emeka Okafor. UConn has Caron Butler coming off the bench and Jim Calhoun as head coach. The UNC starting five is Ty Lawson, Michael Jordan, Vince Carter, James Worthy and Tyler Hansborough. UNC has Antawn Jamison coming off the bench and Dean Smith as head coach. You can only simulate the players based on just their college skillset and statistics, no professional NBA influence. And the game is played with today's college shotclock, rules and 3 point line.

Below is a single-game simulation played strictly as a college basketball matchup, using only college-era skills, roles, tendencies, and production, under modern NCAA men’s rules (30‑second shot clock, 22’1” three‑point line, current foul rules).
This is not an NBA or “career peak” simulation.


Game Setup​

Venue: Neutral court (NCAA-style arena)
Rules:
  • 30-second shot clock
  • Modern 3‑point line (22’1”)
  • Emphasis on spacing, ball screens, switching defenses
  • Coaches actively manage rotations and tempo

UConn Huskies (Calhoun Era Identity)​

Head Coach: Jim Calhoun
Style: Physical defense, disciplined half-court offense, rebounding, toughness

Starters​

  • PG: Kemba Walker (2010–11 level) – explosive scorer, late-clock creator
  • SG: Ray Allen (1995–96) – elite movement shooter, secondary handler
  • SF: Rip Hamilton (1997–98) – constant off-ball motion, midrange assassin
  • PF: Donyell Marshall (1993–94) – stretch-capable forward, weakside shot blocker
  • C: Emeka Okafor (2003–04) – elite rim protector, post finisher
Key Bench
  • Caron Butler – slashing wing, physical scorer, defensive versatility

UNC Tar Heels (Dean Smith System)​

Head Coach: Dean Smith
Style: Fast break, secondary transition, ball movement, spacing, unselfishness

Starters​

  • PG: Ty Lawson (2008–09) – lightning-quick, transition engine
  • SG: Michael Jordan (1983–84) – slashing scorer, lockdown perimeter defender
  • SF: Vince Carter (1997–98) – explosive athlete, weakside scoring threat
  • PF: James Worthy (1981–82) – elite finisher, mismatch nightmare
  • C: Tyler Hansbrough (2008–09) – relentless motor, interior scorer
Key Bench

  • Antawn Jamison – instant offense, rebounding, scoring versatility

First Half Simulation​

Opening 10 Minutes​

  • UNC pushes tempo early. Lawson repeatedly beats the first line of defense.
  • Jordan attacks Rip Hamilton off the dribble; Worthy leaks out in transition.
  • UConn counters by feeding Okafor, who establishes deep position on Hansbrough.
  • Ray Allen hits two early threes off staggered screens.
Score (10:00):
UNC 20 – UConn 18

Middle Stretch​

  • Calhoun slows the game, emphasizing physicality.
  • Butler checks in and immediately draws fouls attacking Carter.
  • Kemba Walker begins isolating late in the shot clock, hitting pull-up jumpers.
  • UNC’s ball movement shines: extra passes lead to Carter corner threes.
Score (5:00):
UNC 33 – UConn 30

End of Half​

  • Defensive intensity ramps up.
  • Jordan strips Walker for a breakaway dunk.
  • Okafor answers with a put-back dunk and a block on Worthy.
  • Ray Allen curls for a buzzer-beating three.
Halftime Score:
UConn 42 – UNC 41



Second Half Simulation​

Early Second Half​

  • UNC opens with a 7–0 run sparked by Lawson penetration.
  • Hansbrough draws consecutive fouls, attacking Marshall off the bounce.
  • Calhoun responds by running high ball screens for Walker.
  • Walker scores 9 straight points (3 pull-up jumpers, one deep three).
Score (12:00):
UConn 56 – UNC 54

Middle Stretch​

  • Jamison checks in and immediately scores on back-to-back possessions.
  • UNC briefly plays small, spreading the floor.
  • Okafor dominates defensively: two blocks and altered shots force UNC into jumpers.
  • Rip Hamilton scores repeatedly off baseline curls.
Score (6:00):
UConn 68 – UNC 66

Final 5 Minutes​

  • Game slows into half-court execution.
  • Jordan takes over defensively, denying Walker driving lanes.
  • Carter hits a massive three in semi-transition.
  • Butler answers with a strong and-one finish.
  • With 1:30 left, Walker hits a step-back three over Lawson.
Score (1:30):
UConn 75 – UNC 74


Final Possessions​

  • UNC runs a classic Dean Smith set: Jordan draws two defenders and kicks to Worthy for a layup.
  • UConn answers by dumping it to Okafor, who scores over Hansbrough.
  • Final UNC possession: Jordan attacks, Okafor rotates and forces a miss.
  • Walker seals it with free throws.

Final Score​

UConn 81 – UNC 78


Player Highlights (College Context Only)​

UConn​

  • Kemba Walker: 24 pts, 5 ast – late-game closer
  • Ray Allen: 18 pts, 4 threes – spacing changed the game
  • Emeka Okafor: 14 pts, 13 reb, 5 blk – defensive anchor
  • Caron Butler: 11 pts off bench – physicality and toughness

UNC​

  • Michael Jordan: 22 pts, 4 ast, elite defense – best all-around Tar Heel
  • Ty Lawson: 15 pts, 7 ast – pace controller
  • James Worthy: 14 pts – efficiency inside
  • Antawn Jamison: 10 pts off bench

Why UConn Wins (Narrowly)​

  • Interior defense: Okafor’s rim protection swings key possessions
  • Shot creation: Walker + Allen outperform UNC’s late-game spacing
  • Modern shot clock: Favors Walker’s isolation scoring more than UNC’s motion sets
It cannot be! Jordan would have scored 60 and slayed a dragon at half.
 
Nike finalized his contract on the day of his first NBA game and Air Jordan was born, the rest is history.

The deal was three times bigger than any other basketball deal in history which had a royalties structure unlike anything we had ever seen in sports. It made him a billionaire and changed everything in sports marketing. Before he ever played an NBA game Nike knew he was something we hadn't seen before.



Great, they predicted he'd be a great NBA player. And?

Kenny Smith has talked about how hard MJ worked after leaving UNC, and through the Olympics, to tighten his handle and improve his game. Everything you're talking about happened after he left UNC.
 
Ray stacks up! As much as you don’t want it to be true, it is.

And enough of the belittling and high horse stuff. The undertones of your entire opinion are based on Jordan’s NBA ability. If you stuck to the topic at hand, one would reach the conclusion that they aren’t miles away COLLEGE WISE.

I am not trolling, I am simply trying to put in black and white the point @nomar and myself are trying to make. He is actively attempting to separate the NBA aspect from the conversation while you actively attempt to prove that they are so incomparable because of it.
The undertones of my entire position!

All say it again, Jordan was way better than Ray Allen in college. Deepster and Nomar brought up Jordan in the NBA.

This is even worse than Waylon.
 
The undertones of my entire position!

All say it again, Jordan was way better than Ray Allen in college. Deepster and Nomar brought up Jordan in the NBA.

This is even worse than Waylon.
You brought up the NBA before either of them posted in this thread. I mean, it’s literally in print on page 1.

I understand now, you’re just being argumentative and difficult. That’s okay. Carry on.

Also if you read his posts (evidently you haven’t) @Deepster didn’t once bring up Jordan in the NBA. So you’re just actively lying.
 
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Ray stacks up! As much as you don’t want it to be true, it is.

And enough of the belittling and high horse stuff. The undertones of your entire opinion are based on Jordan’s NBA ability. If you stuck to the topic at hand, one would reach the conclusion that they aren’t miles away COLLEGE WISE.

I am not trolling, I am simply trying to put in black and white the point @nomar and myself are trying to make. He is actively attempting to separate the NBA aspect from the conversation while you actively attempt to prove that they are so incomparable because of it.

I think it's not so much he's looking at him as Air Jordan, but he's looking at his potential to be Air Jordan, which is pretty irrelevant. If you look at two All Americans, the fact that one of them is a fantastic NBA prospect because of measurements or age or intangibles etc. while the other is not doesn't really mean anything. Was Luka Garza not a great college player because people doubted his pro ability? Zack Edey?
 
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You brought up the NBA before either of them posted in this thread. I mean, it’s literally in print on page 1.

I understand now, you’re just being argumentative and difficult. That’s okay. Carry on.
And the Waylon act continues. I already answered this in post #41.

I'll spell it out for you again even though I'm sure you'll continue acting like Waylon...

Again, I was pointing out how stupid the hypothetical is.

How do '99 UConn and '99 Duke stack up if Rip Hamilton isn't a part of '99 UConn? How would the Nuggets stack up against the Spurs if you take Jokic off the Nuggets?
 
And the Waylon act continues. I already answered this in post #41.

I'll spell it out for you again even though I'm sure you'll continue acting like Waylon...

Again, I was pointing out how stupid the hypothetical is.

How do '99 UConn and '99 Duke stack up if Rip Hamilton isn't a part of '99 UConn? How would the Nuggets stack up against the Spurs if you take Jokic off the Nuggets?
Most hypotheticals are stupid. It’s just a discussion. They agreed to not include Jordan in it. Why can’t you?
 
That video really downgraded my opinion of Felton and Pinsons ability to process information. Not sure who has a better 5, but the former I’m sure of.
 
Vinsanity still has the greatest missed dunk of all time. I believe 1995 ish vs Duke when ed cota purposely threw it off the glass on a break and Vince came thru the lane and missed throwing it down. Thought he caught a tomahawk alley because that came off the glass hard. I was at a wing spot up at UMass and me and my boys went crazy. They went to a commercial break and then we’drealized that he missed it when we saw replay. Dickie V was going nuts. Game was on espn2 -with the new “cooler” graphics. Funny what u remember. College hoops was so incredible back then. Miss those days.
 
That video really downgraded my opinion of Felton and Pinsons ability to process information. Not sure who has a better 5, but the former I’m sure of.
Pinson was so annoying. Ray was backing himself which I am fine with. He was great at UNC.
 

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