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mauconnfan said:
Ok so he wasn't the only one? I'm okay with that but he was a plain awful hire from day 1 we can agree on that right?
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It was brutal. Plus we gave him one more year than he deserved.
 
Deepster said:
My decision to not renew had nothing to do with the coach. The last season I had tickets, I went in for 1 of the 6 home games and hung out in the parking lot the other 5 (with Mau for 1 of those).

I just don't like college football that much and UConn football really doesn't interest me at all. I tried. I've turned down free tickets to individual games for the last 2, maybe 3 years now.
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You don't personally need to go, watch, or care. If you care about UConn athletics, then you must acknowledge that it's prosperity is directly tied to getting into one of the power leagues. It's not even a question, it's going to play out that way.
 
SubbaBub said:
You don't personally need to go, watch, or care. If you care about UConn athletics, then you must acknowledge that it's prosperity is directly tied to getting into one of the power leagues. It's not even a question, it's going to play out that way.
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Amen, Brother. Buy tickets and give them away, if you can afford to, and don't want to go to the games. These are desperate times.
 
intlzncster said:
Sr Testiculo and Charlie Sheen have taken direct offense to this insinuation.
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How quickly the unwashed masses forget my superpowers. I mean, it's pretty much everyday Kemba reels off 5 in 5 nights at the BET, then 6 more in the Dance, right?
 
8893 said:
Agreed. If we don't get a P5 invite, the decision to upgrade football and the manner in which we went about it are colossal institutional failures for which we'll be paying the price for a very long time.
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The real problem is that we waited 5-10 years too long to upgrade. Had we done so when the Big East was formed in football, the early 90s we'd be a football school already and looked on as one. Coming in in 2003 despite some success we just don't get looked at as a "real" program. They could have ups and downs, and they all have, even the serious names. We don't have enough of a history to overcome the downs.
 
SubbaBub said:
You don't personally need to go, watch, or care. If you care about UConn athletics, then you must acknowledge that it's prosperity is directly tied to getting into one of the power leagues. It's not even a question, it's going to play out that way.
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I don't know that I agree. I wouldn't complain for a second if the men's program never got to another Final Four again. They've far, far, far surpassed anything I could have hoped for. I'm not greedy. And I still wouldn't watch the other sports if "UConn Athletics" grew. I'm a men's basketball fan. And I don't think I'm alone.
 
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Deepster said:
How quickly the unwashed masses forget my superpowers. I mean, it's pretty much everyday Kemba reels off 5 in 5 nights at the BET, then 6 more in the Dance, right?
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The general publics hatred for you fuels this board.


(...... And fuels my enjoyment of said board)
 
Creighton basketball fan here, been lurking around since news about Big 12 expansion came out. I have to say, I find it preposterous to think that Villanova will be resigned to the same fate as Incarnate Word if/when the P5 split from the NCAA occurs...I also find it preposterous to think that P5 schools, who have an entire football team's worth of players to pay, would be able to outrun the BE financially when the BE only has to pay for 13 scholarship basketball players. Do you seriously think more than, say, 10 to 15 players per year in all of D-1 athletics will make more than 500k while still in school? I will admit my knowledge on how tv money works is very rusty, but when you don't have a football program to finance you give yourself a lot more breathing room for the basketball program

Lastly, I don't see how any "March Madness" style tournament game the P5 forms after breaking off doesn't include the 3rd best basketball conference in the country, with programs like Nova G'town Marquette etc. being left out. CBB is the sport of the underdog. You already ruin the tournament by stamping out the chance for exciting upsets. Excluding some of the nation's most storied programs seems like suicide.

There are things to discuss when it comes to the future of CBB and how it relates to what is happening with football-driven realignment. But, I just don't see how the Big East will "fall behind". It doesn't seem feasible to me. With the way the conference has performed since the reformation a few years ago, its still clearly one of the best conferences for basketball, top to bottom.
 
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Deepster said:
This guy GETS IT.
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I'm not sure that I do, yet.

1. Your support of football could make more likely, basketball seasons like those we had in the 90's thru 2014.

2. Your lack of support could make more likely an eternity of seasons where we have no realistic hope of a basketball championship before we play our first game.

Knowing 1 and 2 above, you are good with 2 because the time/money/mindshare of following UCONN football is not worth staying competitive in basketball to you?
 
auggie22 said:
I'm not sure that I do, yet.

1. Your support of football could make more likely, basketball seasons like those we had in the 90's thru 2014.

2. Your lack of support could make more likely an eternity of seasons where we have no realistic hope of a basketball championship before we play our first game.

Knowing 1 and 2 above, you are good with 2 because the time/money/mindshare of following UCONN football is not worth staying competitive in basketball to you?
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You need to brush up on your Tank McNamara.
 
auggie22 said:
I'm not sure that I do, yet.

1. Your support of football could make more likely, basketball seasons like those we had in the 90's thru 2014.

2. Your lack of support could make more likely an eternity of seasons where we have no realistic hope of a basketball championship before we play our first game.

Knowing 1 and 2 above, you are good with 2 because the time/money/mindshare of following UCONN football is not worth staying competitive in basketball to you?
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My "support"? You mean like the season I went into 1 of the 6 home games? Or that I should go in, sit there and watch something I don't like?

I don't care if the men's team wins another title. I'm a Mets and Jets fan. The Huskies have carried me for 10 lifetimes already.
 
Deepster said:
I'm pescatarian.
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My brother was born in March, too!

ETA: We've been doing Blue Apron recently and a few of the recipes have featured Pacific Cod. Don't think we'd ever had that before (why would we, living in the land of Atlantic Cod?), but we've become fans and have preferred it to Atlantic Cod. Found some Alaskan Cod locally this past weekend and had that last night and it was also very good. Are we late to the Pacific Cod party?
 
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bluejaybud said:
Creighton basketball fan here, been lurking around since news about Big 12 expansion came out. I have to say, I find it preposterous to think that Villanova will be resigned to the same fate as Incarnate Word if/when the P5 split from the NCAA occurs...I also find it preposterous to think that P5 schools, who have an entire football team's worth of players to pay, would be able to outrun the BE financially when the BE only has to pay for 13 scholarship basketball players. Do you seriously think more than, say, 10 to 15 players per year in all of D-1 athletics will make more than 500k while still in school? I will admit my knowledge on how tv money works is very rusty, but when you don't have a football program to finance you give yourself a lot more breathing room for the basketball program

Lastly, I don't see how any "March Madness" style tournament game the P5 forms after breaking off doesn't include the 3rd best basketball conference in the country, with programs like Nova G'town Marquette etc. being left out. CBB is the sport of the underdog. You already ruin the tournament by stamping out the chance for exciting upsets. Excluding some of the nation's most storied programs seems like suicide.

There are things to discuss when it comes to the future of CBB and how it relates to what is happening with football-driven realignment. But, I just don't see how the Big East will "fall behind". It doesn't seem feasible to me. With the way the conference has performed since the reformation a few years ago, its still clearly one of the best conferences for basketball, top to bottom.
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Welcome. Unfortunately, you chose the wrong team to be a fan of. The P5 will indeed let the Big East wither and die. Enjoy the last few years.
 
I'm not convinvinced the P5 is able to flex those kind of BB tournament muscles
There are about 60 teams in the P5 to have a viable tournement you need at least a base of 100 teams.
There may me marginally conference shut out but why.
The ACC ,B1G and Big 12 have good teams
The other two conferences not so much.
 
Deepster said:
I'm pescatarian.
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Does that mean you worship a fish deity?

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Yeah at least insofar as college hoops is concerned - I guess I just don't buy that the P5 conferences would shuffle off and leave markets like Philadelphia, Chicago, New York City, and Washington D.C to just flap in the wind. I can't envision a world where that's remotely possible - and even if they were to make that move, that they wouldn't try to suck in teams with 'more hoops, less football' as a KO blow.

I grew up a hoops fan, remain a hoops fan and I did season tickets to UConn football for two years and you know - it's just not that much fun. I've *tried* really hard to care about college football but I just can't seem to do it. The reality in the overarching reality is that football drives the bus, but it's also just not a part of the culture here. And UConn's attempt at it is entirely manufactured and in no way organic. And I think in the northeast - where you have so many options for entertainment of some sort - leaving out professional sports which 100% rule the roost - I'm just not sure it's a winnable battle.

You have Boston churning out professional championships on an almost annual basis. You have the Red Sox - which are literally a cultural institution more than a sports team. You have the New England Patriots who are beginning to approach that level. TO the south you have arguably the most iconic sports franchise in the world in the New York Yankees. The New York Mets who kind of scatter a shotgun spread of really loyal fans. The Jets and the Giants. The Rangers and Bruins are orignial six, bed rock franchises that have ravenous fan bases win or lose. The knicks and the celtics. You can see better sports and root for a winner in virtually any direction you go in.

There's no real football rivalry, nothing to rally around. A kind of sterile stadium where teams come from thousands of miles away to play games that are more of a rest stop for good teams than meaningful, competitive games in a state completely built on a generally disgruntled hoops fan base that shows up to football games because it's almost out of financial obligation to the basketball team. That's just not a formula for success.

I'd LOVE and much prefer to go to the Big XII over the Big East - but I think any involvement with the Big East is going to get minimal resistance and isn't as cataclysmic of a contingency plan as people might think that it is. It's the school trying to double down on it's strengths and with the help of traditional, meaningful rivalries build a buzz and cultural buzz around the hoops program that I think has been absent in recent years - sans the national title run - which was more of an unexpected gift than anything else.Using that as a rallying point seems sound as anything else to me.

To boot - an AAC without Memphis or Cincinnati specifically - presents almost no real value to the university in my mind on any level. I don't know if there'd be more of a movement towards trying to get hoops-only members like Wichita State or VCU into the fold.. maybe UMass is in the mix. But I don't know what the formula would be. At that point - I feel like it'd be most prudent to double down on your strength and throw football a lift preserver and hope that Hoops success can help get that invite the next time realignment comes around - if it comes around. It's the devil you know vs. the devil you don't I guess.

I know there's an ENDLESS number of people on here more privy to this stuff than I am who could probably pound me with advanced metrics on it - but I am just completely ambivalent to the idea of putting endless money and effort into propping up something that in 20 years just hasn't worked to stay in a further weakened AAC for football and an almost carved to shreds hoops conference where we play against a bunch of institutions that most of their students don't even know where their hoops team plays never mind putting strong programs on the floor.

So maybe it's just total ignorance on my part, but I just don't see any measurable difference or opportunity cost long term in the basketball team playing in the Big East - who btw - may decide to add more than UConn. And it's leaving out of the argument any attempts the B1G (who i heard have been quietly licking their lips at the prospect of adding UConn) or ACC might make as a counter punch. And who even knows what the Big XII's future looks like. I just don't know. Too many variables. But I don't think staying in the AAC is of any interest to the university.
 
Please stop begging Deepster to go to a game. I'll give up my season ticket if I get a whiff of his stench anywhere near the Rent.
 
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Does it really matter? Most loyalists on the boneyard will support UConn athletics regardless. The reality is that if UConn remains in the AAC or joins the MAC or goes independent, football will continue to generate minimal interest. Come mid- November, it will be a minor miracle to get 25k packed in the Rent to play Tulsa or Tulane or Akron or Central Michigan. This is probably round 3 of 5 rounds of hot potato. For UConn, if the Big 12 doesn't select them, the music will have stopped.
 
8893 said:
My brother was born in March, too!

ETA: We've been doing Blue Apron recently and a few of the recipes have featured Pacific Cod. Don't think we'd ever had that before (why would we, living in the land of Atlantic Cod?), but we've become fans and have preferred it to Atlantic Cod. Found some Alaskan Cod locally this past weekend and had that last night and it was also very good. Are we late to the Pacific Cod party?
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Alaskan Cod (called "frozen at sea cod") can be found at Price Chopper at 5.99 lb. Taste is as good as fresh.
 
The AAC doesnt really have any big draws to create a must see game type environment at this point in football.Same teams that draw 40k for a home game barely create a yawn when they are on the road .
 
The Viking said:
Please stop begging Deepster to go to a game. I'll give up my season ticket if I get a whiff of his stench anywhere near the Rent.
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Then in that case I will take your ticket because at least if Deep's there I know I will have some fun!
 
Stairmaster said:
Welcome. Unfortunately, you chose the wrong team to be a fan of. The P5 will indeed let the Big East wither and die. Enjoy the last few years.
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Can you elaborate? I made a lengthy post explaining why I don't think its feasible. Could you maybe address some of the points I and another poster have made?

I sometimes have trouble sleeping at night, but a first round tournament matchup of Washington State and Georgia Tech would for sure put me under for at least 6 hours. Hell, I might not even make it to the first media timeout before I slip into a coma
 
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