UConn Outbound Transfers for 8/1/23>7/31/24 Cycle

[Duncan Idaho]

stan cross, durante jones, kaleb anthony, nick harris , tui-brown, alfred chea, jaylen jones, langston hardy, bectle, yakiri wlaker, niemenski, price yates. joe the kicker,guordine and more that mora got to recommit ie. dimon brinson, Branch...

 

[Huskyforlife]

I really like idea of the money being contingent on the player staying with the school.

You sign your 4 year contract as a freshman for X dollars.

After your sophomore year of dominance, you enter the portal and get offered 3X more dollars to play for Y school.

As part of the contract you signed as a freshman, you must pay back the money to the collective(s) that signed you for the transfer to be approved.

This would allow collectives to at least be able to reallocate that money into a different player, not being left stranded with no options.

What’s the downside of this?

 

[KryHavok]

This is a dumb question, so forgive me, but are these players entering the portal because they don’t get enough playing time (like Turner) or because they think they can do better (like Joly)? In other words, how concerned should we be to see these players leaving UConn?

Not dumb at all, and someone else will answer more lucidly than I. Still, my answers to your question are: yes for Turner, yes for Joly, and very highly concerned for the last part.

I know people have been saying that players who are moving on after shining here will bring positive attention to the program, but I look at it more negatively. Their leaving (in Joly's case) symbolizes a lack of confidence in our program to sustain them, and they don't want to be affiliated with UConn. It's the jilted lover mentality, but I take each portal defection as an indictment on the school. In short, if they don't believe in us, even though they gained some success here, why would someone else come in their place? Attrition is natural, but this is not sustainable given our lack of success and finances.

 

[Exit 4]

I really like idea of the money being contingent on the player staying with the school.

You sign your 4 year contract as a freshman for X dollars.

After your sophomore year of dominance, you enter the portal and get offered 3X more dollars to play for Y school.

As part of the contract you signed as a freshman, you must pay back the money to the collective(s) that signed you for the transfer to be approved.

This would allow collectives to at least be able to reallocate that money into a different player, not being left stranded with no options.

What’s the downside of this?

I have not looked into any the details on NIL contracts, but I would think everything happens under contingent installments such as:
$X for signing
$Y on a weekly or monthly basis DURING the football season. No $Y once you enter the portal.
The contract is by season....ends in December or after your last bowl game. No multi year.
Maybe there is a spring roster and summer roster bonus or something. Probably a bowl game bonus too.

Just my guess.

Anyone dishing out NIL money that isn't spread over time and contingent on staying with the team is nutz.

Players -of course- push for as much signing bonus as possible.

 

[AD DB Burner]

Give me mercenary that will pass for 3500 yards.

10 players passed for 3500 all season. Carson Beck has 3495 so I’m counting him as well.

 

[ZooCougar]

10 players passed for 3500 all season. Carson Beck has 3495 so I’m counting him as well.

Think big. Connecticut small time thinking hasn’t worked yet.

 

[RSTuthill]

That was a joke, right?

Until we start expecting 18 year olds to behave like adults they will not. In HS there are boys' and girls' sports. In college, men's and women's. Full stop.

Sorry to be so old fashioned.

 

[CCSUblue]

10 players passed for 3500 all season. Carson Beck has 3495 so I’m counting him as well.

Max Brosmer, UNH 3449. In the portal

 

[giddyup]

Until we start expecting 18 year olds to behave like adults they will not. In HS there are boys' and girls' sports. In college, men's and women's. Full stop.

Sorry to be so old fashioned.

So true. Many are raised with the only virtue being getting what’s mine.. loyalty, commitment and paying your dues are for old fashioned fools.

 

[LBird33]

Hi guys just wanted to let you know I tried to get into the portal but was kicked out. Something about my walker being an impediment to have any value. Jeez !

 

[Rich]

The transfer portal is going SuperNova this year. I cannot believe the number of kids transferring......those that thought the COVID years would have a one time inflationary effect are gonna be in for a big surprise.

It's like if you registered any sort of fair to middling stat line in the '23 season you're shopping it. Unreal. The QBs alone.....Mora should legit be able to throw a dart and pick off no less than two kids. There's no reason to go into next season without an actual-factual viable signal caller.

Interior offensive line looks to be a particularly fertile position group this year.

Somebody get the Mashantuckets and Mohegans on he phone STAT.

 

[CCSUblue]

The transfer portal is going SuperNova this year. I cannot believe the number of kids transferring......those that thought the COVID years would have a one time inflationary effect are gonna be in for a big surprise.

It's like if you registered any sort of fair to middling stat line in the '23 season you're shopping it. Unreal. The QBs alone.....Mora should legit be able to throw a dart and pick off no less than two kids. There's no reason to go into next season without an actual-factual viable signal caller.

Interior offensive line looks to be a particularly fertile position group this year.

Somebody get the Mashantuckets and Mohegans on he phone STAT.

About 2100 kids transfered last year.

 

[Rich]

I think UMess' entire team entered the portal over the past three days. UTEP with Dimel's dismissal has lost its entire offense.

 

[businesslawyer]

I would think this is 1099 income rather than w-2....not that the distinction matters for your point that it is documented and reported income. Kids are about to learn about the tax man.

Yes, that was my point. Sorry if I referenced the wrong form

 

[businesslawyer]

Can’t say I’m surprised by Kevin Clercius going. Last year, he made two of the three biggest plays our offense made to get us to 6-6. The long sideline reception against Fresno and the late post TD against Liberty (the third being Jolly’s run after catch for the early TD against BC). This year, he barely got a sniff while we lost game after game running out Porter who contributed very very little. One weird part of the year is how many players who helped us to 6-6 last year got buried on the bench while we started 1-9. Again, maybe each individual move made sense but very weird.

 

[noeynox]

Can’t say I’m surprised by Kevin Clercius going. Last year, he made two of the three biggest plays our offense made to get us to 6-6. The long sideline reception against Fresno and the late post TD against Liberty (the third being Jolly’s run after catch for the early TD against BC). This year, he barely got a sniff while we lost game after game running out Porter who contributed very very little. One weird part of the year is how many players who helped us to 6-6 last year got buried on the bench while we started 1-9. Again, maybe each individual move made sense but very weird.

Have to say i totally agree here. He was buried behind a bunch of transfers who did very little. Porter and Burns? Really?

 

[Rich]

Yes, that was my point. Sorry if I referenced the wrong form

If it's 1099 income they can offset it on their 1040 with all kinds of expenses. W2 income is THE WORST type of income from a tax perspective.

 

[businesslawyer]

I really like idea of the money being contingent on the player staying with the school.

You sign your 4 year contract as a freshman for X dollars.

After your sophomore year of dominance, you enter the portal and get offered 3X more dollars to play for Y school.

As part of the contract you signed as a freshman, you must pay back the money to the collective(s) that signed you for the transfer to be approved.

This would allow collectives to at least be able to reallocate that money into a different player, not being left stranded with no options.

What’s the downside of this?

The downside is you won’t get the player because someone else’s alumni will offer the money without strings attached.

 

[UConnJim]

Can’t say I’m surprised by Kevin Clercius going. Last year, he made two of the three biggest plays our offense made to get us to 6-6. The long sideline reception against Fresno and the late post TD against Liberty (the third being Jolly’s run after catch for the early TD against BC). This year, he barely got a sniff while we lost game after game running out Porter who contributed very very little. One weird part of the year is how many players who helped us to 6-6 last year got buried on the bench while we started 1-9. Again, maybe each individual move made sense but very weird.

Clercius drop % in 2022 was 17.2% which is way too high plus he had a fumble. And, he had a couple of drops this year so I think the coaches lost confidence. Porter's drop % this year was 4.3%.

 

[freescooter]

We are speculating that these guys are leaving on their own but Mora did say he needed to have “a number of tough conversations.” I’m going to guess that a few of these guys, Joly for sure, left for greener pastures, but a fair number were “advised” that their future might be brighter elsewhere. The real tell will be who signs at a P4 , who signs at another G5 and who signs at FCS programs.

 

[uconnbill]

The big thing is who comes in this week through the portal and how many sign on signing day

 

[Dizzy21]

The portal actually opens up on Monday. It has been grad transfers so far.

 

[Dizzy21]

NIL money? Of course they are getting W-2s. These are neither gifts nor cash delivered in paper bags. (not that I'm saying cash delievred in paper bags as gifts isn't happening any more.)

There are zero NIL athletes getting W-2s. None of them are employees of the people that give them money. Does Paige now work for Gatorade? Is she getting a 401k from them?

Point is, they are not getting taxes taken out and they probably do not have the advice that taxes should be set aside if they are not in some huge deal with responsible parties being involved. It is unfortunate, but probably the case in most instances. Going to be huge tax implications for kids they do not yet realize.

 

[businesslawyer]

Clercius drop % in 2022 was 17.2% which is way too high plus he had a fumble. And, he had a couple of drops this year so I think the coaches lost confidence. Porter's drop % this year was 4.3%.

have no trouble believing that. Don’t you have t balance that by asking how many big plays Porter made to help us win?

 

[freescooter]

have no trouble believing that. Don’t you have t balance that by asking how many big plays Porter made to help us win?

I think the math isn’t quite that simple. If one guy is making catches and the other guys isn’t, but made some big ones in the past, but isn’t making plays, I think you go with the the guy catching the ball.. I liked Clercius. And it wasn’t like we had lots of guys who could make plays. But heck, you can’t fail to make catches. The other thing is that you are looking in hindsight. Who is more likely to make a big play, the guy who is catching the ball or the one who can’t?

 

[UConnJim]

have no trouble believing that. Don’t you have t balance that by asking how many big plays Porter made to help us win?

If you look at Porter's stats at New Mexico in 2022, he dropped 0 passes and had a decent season. At UConn this past year, he was targeted the 4th most times, about half as many times as each of the top 3 Joly, Buckman, and Ross and he was targeted for deeper balls than any of the regular receivers which generally means the completion % should be lower. I do think the offense was not focused on vertical passing so I don't really blame Porter who was lined up as the vertical threat for not having more impact.

 

[noeynox]

If you look at Porter's stats at New Mexico in 2022, he dropped 0 passes and had a decent season. At UConn this past year, he was targeted the 4th most times, about half as many times as each of the top 3 Joly, Buckman, and Ross and he was targeted for deeper balls than any of the regular receivers which generally means the completion % should be lower. I do think the offense was not focused on vertical passing so I don't really blame Porter who was lined up as the vertical threat for not having more impact.

Eye test tells me Porter wasn't really creating separation too often. He was missed deep a few times early, but overall it didn't seem he got open like that.

Clercius during his time here seemed to battle for contested passes a lot of the time. The TD at Vanderbilt from Krajewski comes to mind.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Can’t say I’m surprised by Kevin Clercius going. Last year, he made two of the three biggest plays our offense made to get us to 6-6. The long sideline reception against Fresno and the late post TD against Liberty (the third being Jolly’s run after catch for the early TD against BC). This year, he barely got a sniff while we lost game after game running out Porter who contributed very very little. One weird part of the year is how many players who helped us to 6-6 last year got buried on the bench while we started 1-9. Again, maybe each individual move made sense but very weird.

Have to say i totally agree here. He was buried behind a bunch of transfers who did very little. Porter and Burns? Really?

There was almost optimism that players who had led UConn to the 6-7 record in 2022 were being leap frogged on the depth chart by transfers.

After all, if the players did well in year one under Mora were being beat out by newcomers, the newcomers must be good, right?

Turns out that mindset was all wrong. Across the board on offense, defense and special teams leaders from 2022 were shut out at the beginning of 2023.

 

[UConnJim]

There was almost optimism that players who had led UConn to the 6-7 record in 2022 were being leap frogged on the depth chart by transfers.

After all, if the players did well in year one under Mora were being beat out by newcomers, the newcomers must be good, right?

Turns out that mindset was all wrong. Across the board on offense, defense and special teams leaders from 2022 were shut out at the beginning of 2023.

Who was shut out? Maybe QB, but based on how Roberson looked this year, I don't believe he was 100% recovered from his injury at the start of the season. RB? I don't think so. Houston was running about as much as last year and Brewton didn't run that much in 2022. WR? If you are talking Clercius, he had major drop problems in 2022. Kicker? Maybe. Defense? What players were shut out?

Like I said, you could argue about who should start at QB, but Turner had one the lowest PFF QB grades of any FBS starting QB in 2022. I think the coaches wanted to redshirt and develop him this year if he wasn't head and shoulders better than the other QBs. And, Roberson was recovering from injury and didn't appear to be 100% at the start of the season. I would have bet that he would have won the position during the season, but his legs did not seem 100% this season as he didn't scramble or run until the very end of the season.

The bottom line is that we needed better offensive skill talent and at LB. LBs were a step down from last year with the loss of Bouyer-Randle and Swenson as they weren't replaced.

 

[ZooCougar]

There was almost optimism that players who had led UConn to the 6-7 record in 2022 were being leap frogged on the depth chart by transfers.

After all, if the players did well in year one under Mora were being beat out by newcomers, the newcomers must be good, right?

Turns out that mindset was all wrong. Across the board on offense, defense and special teams leaders from 2022 were shut out at the beginning of 2023.

Like who?

Fagnano?