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If that was true then we never would have ended up in the AAC in the first place. We’ve been struggling all these years to get a seat at the table because we got stuck in the old BE while everyone else was getting into a P5.

Getting into the B12 would do zero damage to the UConn basketball brand. It would only enhance it.

Edited to add: If the P5s ever pull away from the NCAA (and that’s a big if), it would only be for football.

And that that is another reason UConn should be worried. Because if there were to happen, the conferences would realign in non football sports to maximize interest and regional rivalries and the most logical conference for UConn to end up in would most likely not take them back. A death sentence either way the cookie crumbles.
 
With current Ncaa tourney contract, and proposed House settlement payments to former athletes running to 2033, the big conferences can't pull away til then.

If just SEC and Big 10 move on their own, UConn has a much better chance to join there coming from Big12 than Big East (not to mention money difference).

I agree with you that there will be a split. I just think it will be all of the p4. That will leave a new basketball tourney with 64 big schools and no cinderellas.

Sadly ncaa tourney would then become a second tier event for smaller D1 schools.
They have a 0% chance to end up there regardless of what conference they are in. They need to be planning for what happens when they pull away from the NCAA. I had thought it was the P4 that would pull away but no chance the ACC survives which imo also ends any chance of the Big 12 surviving.

A new basketball tournament with 64 big schools and no Cinderallas will spell the end of college basketball imo. Its a nonviable product imo. Will sink it to the level of college soccer or baseball. A niche interest but not much beyond that. Would be a shame for it to happen so soon after womens basketball finally gains traction in culture.
 
And that that is another reason UConn should be worried. Because if there were to happen, the conferences would realign in non football sports to maximize interest and regional rivalries and the most logical conference for UConn to end up in would most likely not take them back. A death sentence either way the cookie crumbles.
I think you seem to be operating under the assumption that UConn, particularly basketball, is not a well regarded brand. Or that in 5 years it will not be well regarded. That simply isn’t true.

If we are simply talking basketball in this hypothetical situation, there are so many other programs that would die almost immediate deaths. UConn doesn’t even crack the top 50. So many schools have built their name and brand on football alone and have nothing or next to nothing when it comes to MBB & WBB (let alone other sports). Forget regional rivalries. There’s only a handful of WBB teams that command huge audiences wherever they go (and have for over a decade plus).

None of this is going to happen anyway, since the P5s know they can do whatever they want in the college football world. No need to get rid of the NCAA when they already get practically anything they want. It’s one less thing for them to manage.
 
I share your concern for the evolving state of college athletics. As it drifts more towards a pure business model and less from an academic activity model I find it more difficult to remain engaged by it.

That said, I think you're missing the point when you so emphatically state well money doesn't matter. It does. It is critically necessary to be able to maintain the program. Without it, we will eventually wither and die as an athletic program well, at least as a relevant athletic program.
I am sure money matters. It does not matter to ME as a fan. All i am saying that money will not go to athletics because there very well not be any athletic department left because of the reason it came in. So sure great UConn gets a nice pay day and maybe the State of CT benefits overall but they are gonna have to use it to turn Gample into an indoor garden because there will be no basketball use for it anymore.


(yes i am being dramatic as I am sure some sports would remain but more at the level of Sacred Heart or Holy Cross level)
 
I am sure money matters. It does not matter to ME as a fan. All i am saying that money will not go to athletics because there very well not be any athletic department left because of the reason it came in. So sure great UConn gets a nice pay day and maybe the State of CT benefits overall but they are gonna have to use it to turn Gample into an indoor garden because there will be no basketball use for it anymore.
The state would not benefit from any money earned by UConn being in a P5. That would go to UConn.

Collegiate athletics is not going to go away any time soon. They are far too important for schools and the county in general. Dissolution of college athletics would decimate almost all the major league sports. Not to mention the impact on the Olympics.
 
I think you seem to be operating under the assumption that UConn, particularly basketball, is not a well regarded brand. Or that in 5 years it will not be well regarded. That simply isn’t true.

If we are simply talking basketball in this hypothetical situation, there are so many other programs that would die almost immediate deaths. UConn doesn’t even crack the top 50. So many schools have built their name and brand on football alone and have nothing or next to nothing when it comes to MBB & WBB (let alone other sports). Forget regional rivalries. There’s only a handful of WBB teams that command huge audiences wherever they go (and have for over a decade plus).

None of this is going to happen anyway, since the P5s know they can do whatever they want in the college football world. No need to get rid of the NCAA when they already get practically anything they want. It’s one less thing for them to manage.
No I am not operating under that assumption at all. Realignment has nothing to do with how well regarded the UConn brand is and never has. That seems to be the incorrect assumption YOU are making.

No one cares about UConns brand and people aren't going to save UConn because they deserve to be saved. In fact a lot of people will gleefully watch the university sink and that is what I am predicting will happen if they go to the Big 12. It's the reason they ended up in the AAC in the first place instead of the ACC. If you want history to repeat itself, go to the Big 12.

And P5s will inf act leave the NCAA because they are the middle man, collecting money that they could be dividing amongst themselves.
 
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The state would not benefit from any money earned by UConn being in a P5. That would go to UConn.

Collegiate athletics is not going to go away any time soon. They are far too important for schools and the county in general. Dissolution of college athletics would decimate almost all the major league sports. Not to mention the impact on the Olympics.
I am talking about what would happen at UConn if they were to go to the Big 12. Other schools would operate more closer to normal because they would land in a conference that makes sense for them. I do not think The Big East would take UConn back if football schools only pulled away from the NCAA and then UConn would be at the whims of the ACC to save them which is far from a sure thing.
 
No I am not operating under that assumption at all. Realignment has nothing to do with how well regarded the UConn brand is and never has. That seems to be the incorrect assumption YOU are making.
UConn isn’t in P5 right now because we’ve had terrible leadership who allowed the old BE to fall apart and couldn’t secure us a seat anywhere else. And because football absolutely sucks and has for a while now (and we should have jumped to FBS years before we did). That’s it.

Also being in a “lesser” P5 helps you get to a “better” P5. What in the world could the Big East possibly give us? Can you honestly tell me that you want to see UConn WBB continue to play the scrubs of the BE when they could be playing in an actual conference with real competition?

Being in a P5 would improve UConn football by leaps and bounds and that matters. Stay independent just makes us worse and puts us at every possible disadvantage, the most of which is the lack of $ and lack of conference.

And for the record, I was saying that UConn’s brand IN BASKETBALL is alive and well. If we are talking about a hypothetical situation where football is basketball removed and basketball drives the bus, then yes, UConn’s brand and success matters.
 
I am sure money matters. It does not matter to ME as a fan. All i am saying that money will not go to athletics because there very well not be any athletic department left because of the reason it came in. So sure great UConn gets a nice pay day and maybe the State of CT benefits overall but they are gonna have to use it to turn Gample into an indoor garden because there will be no basketball use for it anymore.


(yes i am being dramatic as I am sure some sports would remain but more at the level of Sacred Heart or Holy Cross level)

OK, here's my last shot at this: without money there are no athletics. So, yeah, if you're a fan money does matter for you because that's what allows the athletics to take place.

Feel free to have the last word.
 
OK, here's my last shot at this: without money there are no athletics. So, yeah, if you're a fan money does matter for you because that's what allows the athletics to take place.

Feel free to have the last word.
Again you don't see to be understanding what i am saying. If there is no athletics, why do i care about how much money the University has? Great the school has 400 million dollars to tear down Gampel and put up a mathematics building. Maybe it will go to funding cancer research? Those would be good things but from a fan of UConn womens basketball and other sports, I don't consider it a win.
 
UConn isn’t in P5 right now because we’ve had terrible leadership who allowed the old BE to fall apart and couldn’t secure us a seat anywhere else. And because football absolutely sucks and has for a while now (and we should have jumped to FBS years before we did). That’s it.

Also being in a “lesser” P5 helps you get to a “better” P5. What in the world could the Big East possibly give us? Can you honestly tell me that you want to see UConn WBB continue to play the scrubs of the BE when they could be playing in an actual conference with real competition?

Being in a P5 would improve UConn football by leaps and bounds and that matters. Stay independent just makes us worse and puts us at every possible disadvantage, the most of which is the lack of $ and lack of conference.

And for the record, I was saying that UConn’s brand IN BASKETBALL is alive and well. If we are talking about a hypothetical situation where football is basketball removed and basketball drives the bus, then yes, UConn’s brand and success matters.
UConn isn't in a P5 right now because it pissed on enough schools when they left the Big East that they didn't get an invite to the ACC when the time came a decade later. There is no P5 anymore if you haven't noticed, the Pac 12 is gone.

You are thinking very short term. Yes the Big East isn't great for UConn Women right now. But if non football conferences realign for Olympic with the P2 pull away and the Big East reconfigures with schools like Notre Dame, Syracuse, Rutgers, Virginia Tech etc it becomes a very different conversation doesn't it.

Being in a P4 before it becomes a P2 doesn't do anything for UConn long term because the Big 10 and SEC will never take them. UConn football will never be in a power conference again. That is just the reality. The only thing it serves to do is make people feel a little safer until the P2 pull away and alienate potential allies and options until the inevitable happens. Basically UConn will just have to hope and pray the P2, which has been what is being worked towards for 3 decades at this point doesn't manifest because if the inevitable happens, they are squarely out of luck in all sports, not just football. Sad.
 
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UConn isn't in a P5 right now because it pissed on enough schools when they left the Big East that they didn't get an invite to the ACC when the time came a decade later. There is no P5 anymore if you haven't noticed, the Pac 12 is gone.
Fine P4, have it your way. You knew what I was talking about.

Other schools left the BE before UConn did they kept UConn out of other conferences. Like I said, terrible work from those in charge.
 
Fine P4, have it your way. You knew what I was talking about.

Other schools left the BE before UConn did they kept UConn out of other conferences. Like I said, terrible work from those in charge.
They did keep UConn out of other conferences. That is literally what happened. They voted against adding UConn.
 
They did keep UConn out of other conferences. That is literally what happened. They voted against adding UConn.
That’s exactly what I was saying. I’m typing on my phone so I probably missed a word somewhere. I’m literally not arguing that’s what happened. I know that’s what happened. Again, whose fault was it? The people in who were in charge.

Anyway, I’m done now. If the Big 12 came with an offer for UConn and we turned them down then that would be insanely stupid.
 
Again you don't see to be understanding what i am saying. If there is no athletics, why do i care about how much money the University has? Great the school has 400 million dollars to tear down Gampel and put up a mathematics building. Maybe it will go to funding cancer research? Those would be good things but from a fan of UConn womens basketball and other sports, I don't consider it a win.
I understand what you are trying to say. I just think it's oblivious to fairly obvious point.
 
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Note [edits] to your quote above.

The Big 12 Conference is a college athletic conference headquartered in Irving, Texas. It consists of 16 full-member universities in the states of Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Kansas, Ohio, Oklahoma, Texas, Utah, and West Virginia.

This would be a disaster for every other UConn sports program forced to play in the Big 12. UConn just came out of the desert (AAC) ... why go back?
We need the money. Everyone on this board is excited about the new big east TV Package. It’s chump chang compared to football
 
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It's time to admit that college sports are now professional. So how do other pro sports leagues operate? They each operate independently from the other sports. The Yankees and Red Sox play in the Amer. Leage east and yet the Giants and the Patriots are in different conferences. Imagine a league/conference for just college basketball? The media would love it. Let the top teams play each other twice in the reg. season.

The College Football League
The College Basketball League
Divide leagues into divisions. Run playoffs like the pros. Do or die in a single elimination tourn. is exciting but not the best way to pick a champion.
And let schools dump football while retaining their status in the basketball league.

Why not? The conference structure is outdated. Leave the NCAA with the lesser sports.
 
Because I do not work at UConn and them having 200 million dollars and no competitive athletic programs doesn't do anything for me. Great Uconn has 200 million dollars but the basketball programs are essentially killed. Yay?
Why would UCONN be killed? Ye of little to no faith. UCONN is an outstanding university and tremendous athletic program. Will always have some level of success. No reason to think that we can't enjoy significant success in B12.
 
We need the money. Everyone on this board is excited about the new big east TV Package. It’s chump chang compared to football
What does it cost per year to run an elite college football program? What good is $50 million if it costs $60 million? The only winners would be the vendors who are paid that $60 million.
 
A new basketball tournament with 64 big schools and no Cinderallas will spell the end of college basketball imo. Its a nonviable product imo. Will sink it to the level of college soccer or baseball. A niche interest but not much beyond that. Would be a shame for it to happen so soon after womens basketball finally gains traction in culture.
I'm by no means in favor of this idea, but of course it's viable. A 64 team tourney with Duke, Kentucky, UCLA and UConn up tôp, and teams likè Cal, Northwestern, Penn State and Miss St at the bottom. The fan still gets 3 weekends of excitement and betting, and the sweet 16 would be much the same as the old ncaa tourney anyway.

The reason the p4 likè this idea, is exactly likè the college football playoff, they don't have to share the money with the smaller schools.
 
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I'm by no means in favor of this idea, but of course it's viable. A 64 team tourney with Duke, Kentucky, UCLA and UConn up tôp, and teams likè Cal, Northwestern, Penn State and Miss St at the bottom. The fan still gets 3 weekends of excitement and betting, and the sweet 16 would be much the same as the old ncaa tourney anyway.

The reason the p4 likè this idea, is exactly likè the college football playoff, they don't have to share the money with the smaller schools.
The smaller schools ARE the draw of the tournament. Its why casuals tun in. They can try this idea, and it sounds like a great basketball tournament but Cinderalla schools are the the heart of the tournament. Take them away and it would be on par with conference tournament interest in 5 years. Which is to say popular but not a month long event that captures the attention of the country.
 
yeah ... they could unretire that rivalry trophy.
Could they? Last that I heard no one is quite sure what happened to the conflict trophy.

(For what it's worth, that was not only the dumbest trophy in sports, it was also the ugliest.)
 
UConn isn't in a P5 right now because it pissed on enough schools when they left the Big East that they didn't get an invite to the ACC when the time came a decade later. There is no P5 anymore if you haven't noticed, the Pac 12 is gone.

You are thinking very short term. Yes the Big East isn't great for UConn Women right now. But if non football conferences realign for Olympic with the P2 pull away and the Big East reconfigures with schools like Notre Dame, Syracuse, Rutgers, Virginia Tech etc it becomes a very different conversation doesn't it.

Being in a P4 before it becomes a P2 doesn't do anything for UConn long term because the Big 10 and SEC will never take them. UConn football will never be in a power conference again. That is just the reality. The only thing it serves to do is make people feel a little safer until the P2 pull away and alienate potential allies and options until the inevitable happens. Basically UConn will just have to hope and pray the P2, which has been what is being worked towards for 3 decades at this point doesn't manifest because if the inevitable happens, they are squarely out of luck in all sports, not just football. Sad.
What schools did UConn "piss" on. It was BC that left the BE first, and then blocked UConn from being allowed in the ACC. If that hadn't happened we would've been in the ACC for years now and this discussion would be moot. You want to blame someone? Blame BC. After that the BE broke apart, and because our football team basically had to go independent that determined where our basketball team had to go, and that was the AAC. We had to claw our way out of there to get back into a somewhat respected conference at a cost that has put the sports program in quite a bit of debt.
 
What schools did UConn "piss" on. It was BC that left the BE first, and then blocked UConn from being allowed in the ACC. If that hadn't happened we would've been in the ACC for years now and this discussion would be moot. You want to blame someone? Blame BC. After that the BE broke apart, and because our football team basically had to go independent that determined where our basketball team had to go, and that was the AAC. We had to claw our way out of there to get back into a somewhat respected conference at a cost that has put the sports program in quite a bit of debt.
You backing up what i am saying. Thank you.
 
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