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specialisthusky said:
a 933 would give us a 2 year average of 940 which would also qualify us.
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nope... next year we will be required to meet both the four year and the two year average...
 
UConn Dan said:
We will need a 969+ for the 2012-13 academic year (released a year from now) to qualify for the 2015 tourney.
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specialisthusky said:
a 933 would give us a 2 year average of 940 which would also qualify us.
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UConn Dan said:
nope... next year we will be required to meet both the four year and the two year average...
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Where do you see that. I see the following:

Academics


Change​

Effective Date​

Postseason Access – APR Requirement​

2012-13 and 2013-14 postseasons = either 900 four-year average or 930 average over most recent two years
2014-15 postseason = either 930 four-year average or 940 average over most recent two years
2015-2016 postseason and beyond = 930 four-year average​

New APP Penalty Structure and Filters​

2012-13 and 2013-14 = 900 four-year average
2014-15 and beyond = 930 four-year average​
 
caw said:
Where do you see that. I see the following:

Academics

Change​

Effective Date​
Postseason Access – APR Requirement​

2012-13 and 2013-14 postseasons = either 900 four-year average or 930 average over most recent two years​
2014-15 postseason = either 930 four-year average or 940 average over most recent two years​
2015-2016 postseason and beyond = 930 four-year average​
New APP Penalty Structure and Filters​

2012-13 and 2013-14 = 900 four-year average​
2014-15 and beyond = 930 four-year average​
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Thanks for the clarification fellas. Looks like one of our beat writer's was passing out bad info.
 
UConn Dan said:
Thanks for the clarification fellas. Looks like one of our beat writer's was passing out bad info.
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I dunno, I could be wrong. I haven't seen any other release from ncaa.org on it though.
 
PC needs at least a 951 for the 2012-13 academic year or they're banned. It will be interesting to see how Ricky Ledo finishes up, as I don't think he or Sidiki Johnson completed the 2nd semester.
 
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huskiesnyc said:
PC needs at least a 951 for the 2012-13 academic year or they're banned.
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We will have it, Council graduated, everybody has a good grade point and nobody transferred except Sidiki who was granted a medical exception and does not count for the 2nd semester. Ledo is like the Kentucky kids, had a good GPA and turned pro.
 
huskiesnyc said:
PC needs at least a 951 for the 2012-13 academic year or they're banned. It will be interesting to see how Ricky Ledo finishes up, as I don't think he or Sidiki Johnson completed the 2nd semester.
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Fortunately for PC, it just doesn't matter.

On the other hand, Kris Dunn may get a get-out-of-jail-free card just when UConn might need him.
 
FriarJ said:
We will have it, Council graduated, everybody has a good grade point and nobody transferred except Sidiki who was granted a medical exception and does not count for the 2nd semester. Ledo is like the Kentucky kids, had a good GPA and turned pro.
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We will see. PC hasn't scored better than 929 in each of the past 4 seasons.

09- 896
10- 904
11- 917
12- 929
 
huskiesnyc said:
PC needs at least a 951 for the 2012-13 academic year or they're banned.
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They could theoretically get a 949 or even lower. It depends on how many points they would have each year.

It depends on how many scholarship/points they have had the past four years. For example: If they had 48 (12 scholarships) in year one, 52 (13 scholarships) in year two, 40 (10 scholarships) in year three and then 52 (13 scholarships) in year four. They wouldn't need 951 for that individual year, they would just need to have 87 of 92 points to get a score above 940 for the two year average.

These don't reflect the actual point totals, but are just an example.
 
FriarJ said:
We will have it, Council graduated, everybody has a good grade point and nobody transferred except Sidiki who was granted a medical exception and does not count for the 2nd semester. Ledo is like the Kentucky kids, had a good GPA and turned pro.
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You also said that PC had a high score for this year

FriarJ said:
Dixon graduated and all others left in good standing. Top notch APR's this last year. One graduation and no transfers, everybody got good grades. We are ok, but any transfers with kids in bad academic shape and we would have been cooked.
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...and it was only 929.

Forgive me if I don't quite trust you on this matter. You may be right but you don't have the greatest track record in regards to predicting PC's APR.
 
caw said:
They could theoretically get a 949 or even lower. It depends on how many points they would have each year.

It depends on how many scholarship/points they have had the past four years. For example: If they had 48 (12 scholarships) in year one, 52 (13 scholarships) in year two, 40 (10 scholarships) in year three and then 52 (13 scholarships) in year four. They wouldn't need 951 for that individual year, they would just need to have 87 of 92 points to get a score above 940 for the two year average.

These don't reflect the actual point totals, but are just an example.
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You got it down man, very impressive.
 
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upstater said:
Fortunately for PC, it just doesn't matter.

On the other hand, Kris Dunn may get a get-out-of-jail-free card just when UConn might need him.
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Dunn would be a junior that year sadly. Henton might be eligible for an Oriakhi move though (if PC were below the line).
 
caw said:
You also said that PC had a high score for this year



...and it was only 929.

Forgive me if I don't quite trust you on this matter. You may be right but you don't have the greatest track record in regards to predicting PC's APR.
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I was talking about 12-13 when I said this year. 11-12 while being released now is last year to me. I know what I meant but I can see the confusion.
 
FriarJ said:
I was talking about 12-13 when I said this year. 11-12 while being released now is last year to me. I know what I meant but I can see the confusion.
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Considering it was following a sentence in regards to Dixon graduating and the transfers leaving in good standing, it wasn't clear.

Either way you were wrong on one (or more) of those (Dixon/transfers) or the current players were a problem academically.
 
caw said:
Considering it was following a sentence in regards to Dixon graduating and the transfers leaving in good standing, it wasn't clear.

Either way you were wrong on one (or more) of those (Dixon/transfers) or the current players were a problem academically.
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Yes, you are correct. I addressed being wrong in the other thread and hopefully you can give me some insight on it.
 
Best I can figure UConn lost two points, 36/38 = .9473.

Had a scholarship roster of 10:

  1. Alex Oriakhi (transfer*)
  2. Roscoe Smith (transfer)
  3. Michael Bradley (transfer)
  4. Jeremy Lamb (NBA)
  5. Shabazz Napier (retained)
  6. Niels Giffey (retained)
  7. Enosch Wolf (retained)
  8. Tyler Olander (retained)
  9. Ryan Boatright (retained)
  10. DeAndre Daniels (retained)
Based on that the total would be 40 points. Three transfers, two with the required GPA score to remove a point from the base. One didn't and is responsible for at least one of the two points. It's also possible Oriakhi's retention point was calculated differently than normal and all three transfers were OK. If that is the case than the lost points would come from the non-transfers.

This past year UConn had 11 scholarship players:

  1. RJ Evans (graduated)
  2. Shabazz Napier (retained)
  3. Niels Giffey (retained)
  4. Enosch Wolf (???)
  5. Tyler Olander (retained)
  6. Ryan Boatright (retained)
  7. DeAndre Daniels (retained)
  8. Omar Calhoun (retained)
  9. Philip Nolan (retained)
  10. Leon Tolksdorf (retained)
  11. Brendan Allen (one year scholarship)
So the base looks to be 44 points. Considering Evans graduated and the rest came back aside from Wolf. The two year base will be somewhere between 82 (38+44), or 81 (38+43) depending on Wolf. To reach a two year score of 940, UConn can only lose four total points (78/82 = 951) or (77/81 = 951).

If my calculations are correct UConn has already lost two points from 2011-2012. So UConn can only afford to lose 2 points from 2012-2013. If Wolf isn't retained and UConn loses the retention point for it, than UConn only has one point leeway. If Wolf is either retained or there is an exception for his situation than UConn has two points leeway.
 
caw said:
Best I can figure UConn lost two points, 36/38 = .9473.

Had a scholarship roster of 10:


  1. [ ]Alex Oriakhi (transfer*)
    [ ]Roscoe Smith (transfer)
    [ ]Michael Bradley (transfer)
    [ ]Jeremy Lamb (NBA)
    [ ]Shabazz Napier (retained)
    [ ]Niels Giffey (retained)
    [ ]Enosch Wolf (retained)
    [ ]Tyler Olander (retained)
    [ ]Ryan Boatright (retained)
    [ ]DeAndre Daniels (retained)
Based on that the total would be 40 points. Three transfers, two with the required GPA score to remove a point from the base. One didn't and is responsible for at least one of the two points. It's also possible Oriakhi's retention point was calculated differently than normal and all three transfers were OK. If that is the case than the lost points would come from the non-transfers.

This past year UConn had 11 scholarship players:


  1. [ ]RJ Evans (graduated)
    [ ]Shabazz Napier (retained)
    [ ]Niels Giffey (retained)
    [ ]Enosch Wolf (???)
    [ ]Tyler Olander (retained)
    [ ]Ryan Boatright (retained)
    [ ]DeAndre Daniels (retained)
    [ ]Omar Calhoun (retained)
    [ ]Philip Nolan (retained)
    [ ]Leon Tolksdorf (retained)
    [ ]Brendan Allen (one year scholarship)
So the base looks to be 44 points. Considering Evans graduated and the rest came back aside from Wolf. The two year base will be somewhere between 82 (38+44), or 81 (38+43) depending on Wolf. To reach a two year score of 940, UConn can only lose four total points (78/82 = 951) or (77/81 = 951).

If my calculations are correct UConn has already lost two points from 2011-2012. So UConn can only afford to lose 2 points from 2012-2013. If Wolf isn't retained and UConn loses the retention point for it, than UConn only has one point leeway. If Wolf is either retained or there is an exception for his situation than UConn has two points leeway.
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That's not good, right?
 
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caw said:
Best I can figure UConn lost two points, 36/38 = .9473.

Had a scholarship roster of 10:


  1. [ ]Alex Oriakhi (transfer*)
    [ ]Roscoe Smith (transfer)
    [ ]Michael Bradley (transfer)
    [ ]Jeremy Lamb (NBA)
    [ ]Shabazz Napier (retained)
    [ ]Niels Giffey (retained)
    [ ]Enosch Wolf (retained)
    [ ]Tyler Olander (retained)
    [ ]Ryan Boatright (retained)
    [ ]DeAndre Daniels (retained)
Based on that the total would be 40 points. Three transfers, two with the required GPA score to remove a point from the base. One didn't and is responsible for at least one of the two points. It's also possible Oriakhi's retention point was calculated differently than normal and all three transfers were OK. If that is the case than the lost points would come from the non-transfers.

This past year UConn had 11 scholarship players:


  1. [ ]RJ Evans (graduated)
    [ ]Shabazz Napier (retained)
    [ ]Niels Giffey (retained)
    [ ]Enosch Wolf (???)
    [ ]Tyler Olander (retained)
    [ ]Ryan Boatright (retained)
    [ ]DeAndre Daniels (retained)
    [ ]Omar Calhoun (retained)
    [ ]Philip Nolan (retained)
    [ ]Leon Tolksdorf (retained)
    [ ]Brendan Allen (one year scholarship)
So the base looks to be 44 points. Considering Evans graduated and the rest came back aside from Wolf. The two year base will be somewhere between 82 (38+44), or 81 (38+43) depending on Wolf. To reach a two year score of 940, UConn can only lose four total points (78/82 = 951) or (77/81 = 951).

If my calculations are correct UConn has already lost two points from 2011-2012. So UConn can only afford to lose 2 points from 2012-2013. If Wolf isn't retained and UConn loses the retention point for it, than UConn only has one point leeway. If Wolf is either retained or there is an exception for his situation than UConn has two points leeway.
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Based on precedent, Wolf will not count against UConn. Miles didn't count against them, so Wolf won't either.
 
I believe Michael Bradley cost us a point (or 2) because he transferred to a Junior College. By all accounts he was a good student which apparently doesn't matter.
 
Caw: don't you also need to have a certain grade point average to get a full retention point? I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Wolf hurt us in the past bc he got *ty grades. That might be the real reason his scholarship got pulled.
 
The irritating part about that score is Oriakhi, Smith, and Bradley all transferred in part because of the NCAA's APR penalties. You have to love the NCAA inadvertantly (or maybe not so inadverantly?) lowering our scores because of the mass exodus they caused with their retroactive APR publicity stint/pitiful revenge ploy. So even if we were to assume the APR is a credible assessment of academic progress, the NCAA's disciplinary actions for low scores inherently hamstring schools looking to improve upon their scores for future years. Seems sensible, huh?​
 
Do you think they would have pulled Wolf's scholly if it could have made us ineligible for the NCAA tourney down the road? I don't think so. Everyone else is playing the game and so are we.
 
huskiesnyc said:
Caw: don't you also need to have a certain grade point average to get a full retention point? I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Wolf hurt us in the past bc he got *ty grades. That might be the real reason his scholarship got pulled.
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No, you don't. Any player who returns is returning in good standing even if they have a 1.0. You go on academic probation with a very low GPA, but you're still a student. And in the eyes of the NCAA's APR, you count as 2 points each semester, 1 point for coming back, 1 point for completing a semester.
 
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Penfield said:
Do you think they would have pulled Wolf's scholly if it could have made us ineligible for the NCAA tourney down the road? I don't think so. Everyone else is playing the game and so are we.
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Wasn't he honored for academic achievement or something of that nature recently?
 
Tenspro2002 said:
947 is definitely a disappointment, and we can't afford a repeat of it going forward.
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Was it tied to the APR hit and kids leaving because of the sanctions? We'll never know. Nothing you can do about it. Was it Roscoe Smith, Michael Bradley? We'll never know. Did Jeremy Lamb finish up his classes? Who knows. The whole thing is ludicrous.
 
Here we have on this board a group of people with as vested an interest as you can possibly have in the APR, and mostly what we see is confusion on what counts, what matters and what the scores mean.

Try to imagine a dumber system. You can't.
 
upstater said:
Was it tied to the APR hit and kids leaving because of the sanctions? We'll never know. Nothing you can do about it. Was it Roscoe Smith, Michael Bradley? We'll never know. Did Jeremy Lamb finish up his classes? Who knows. The whole thing is ludicrous.
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Given his end-of-clock performances, Roscoe doesn't strike me as the brightest bulb in the box. It wouldn't surprise me if his GPA were below the threshold to keep his point after transferring.

At the time, I was worried about Bradley transferring to a juco (despite the fact that he's a smart kid). I thought it might hurt out APR, though nobody else around here said much of anything about it.

I'm not sure if guys like Lamb leaving early for the NBA has a possibility of hurting us. It's never hurt Kentucky, obviously, though it's also the case that they're much better at staying on top of those things than JC ever was.
 
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