UConn Football player accused of Sex Assault

[SubbaBub]

There is a self interest to not portray campus as anything but safe. Reported rape and other assaults end up in statistical reports on the university. It happens, it's wrong, and that is where the pressure and change efforts should be applied. To try to expand the issue for publicity, financial gain, or gender-based agendas only distracts from the tangible issue.

The remedy is disciplinary action, and training. If a directed policy can be proved, only then does the civil rights aspect come into play.

IMV, this effort has started off on the wrong side of credibility.

 

[upstater]

There is a self interest to not portray campus as anything but safe. Reported rape and other assaults end up in statistical reports on the university. It happens, it's wrong, and that is where the pressure and change efforts should be applied. To try to expand the issue for publicity, financial gain, or gender-based agendas only distracts from the tangible issue.

The remedy is disciplinary action, and training. If a directed policy can be proved, only then does the civil rights aspect come into play.

IMV, this effort has started off on the wrong side of credibility.

If I said anything like what the police officer said, I would expect to lose my job.

 

[ruskin]

If I said anything like what the police officer said, I would expect to lose my job.

And that's the things. Those are ALLEGED comments by the cop. Like a lot of other things in this case it's he said-she said or she said-she said. If true, the cop should lose their job. If false, should rightfully blow a pretty good hole in the litigants' case.

 

[upstater]

And that's the things. Those are ALLEGED comments by the cop. Like a lot of other things in this case it's he said-she said or she said-she said. If true, the cop should lose their job. If false, should rightfully blow a pretty good hole in the litigants' case.

The university has already shown it is singularly disinterested in investigating the cop.

Anyone with daughters should take no quarter in this fight because the attitude toward sexual assault is atrocious on college campuses (never mind the rest of society). Especially college campuses though where you have a hothouse atmosphere full of bros.

 

[LIUCHusky]

The university has already shown it is singularly disinterested in investigating the cop.

Anyone with daughters should take no quarter in this fight because the attitude toward s e xual assault is atrocious on college campuses (never mind the rest of society). Especially college campuses though where you have a hothouse atmosphere full of bros.

I hope I have misunderstood your comment but that seems to be pretty racist.

 

[upstater]

I hope I have misunderstood your comment but that seems to be pretty racist.

Bro.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bro

1. bro
Obnoxious partying males who are often seen at college parties. When they aren’t making an ass of themselves they usually just stand around holding a red plastic cup waiting for something exciting to happen so they can scream something that demonstrates how much they enjoy partying. Nearly everyone in a fraternity is a bro but there are also many bros who are not in a fraternity. They often wear a rugby shirt and a baseball cap. It is not uncommon for them to have spiked hair with frosted tips.

Bros actually chose this name for themselves as they often refer to each other as "bro" even though they are not related.
I couldn't go to sleep last night because some bros at the party next door kept screaming, "Whoooooo!!! YEAAHHHHH! Whooooooo!"

 

[upstater]

 

[LIUCHusky]

Bro.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bro

I obviously misunderstood your comment. My apologies.

 

[upstater]

No problem

 

[huskymedic]

Without hyperbole - @KevinRDuffy: College athletes perpetrating sexual assault a societal problem - Connecticut Post http://www.ctpost.com/sports/articl...rpetrating-s e xual-4950151.php?cmpid=twitter via @ConnPost

To read how this ties in with the rest of the stories - the lawsuit filed on Friday is here. Have a cocktail or three first. http://www.ctmirror.org/story/2013/...-universitys-handling-sexual-assaults#lawsuit

 

[ruskin]

The university has already shown it is singularly disinterested in investigating the cop.

I haven't read every detail of the case but this cop hasn't been spoken to by superiors or others at UConn?

 

[upstater]

I haven't read every detail of the case but this cop hasn't been spoken to by superiors or others at UConn?

What do you mean by spoken to? Like, "Don't do that?" The proper response would be to fire the person.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Has anyone read the actual complaint? It appears at least 2 of the plaintiffs have very legitimate claims supported by objective evidence, 1 is in a gray area, and one of the plaintiffs is attempting to hold UConn responsible for activities by foreign nationals that occurred in a foreign country.

My question after reading this is: why is UConn financially responsible for this? There are criminal and direct civil avenues for redress against the assailants. There may even by a civil rights case that can be made against the assailants. Why is UConn responsible?

 

[huskymedic]

Has anyone read the actual complaint? It appears at least 2 of the plaintiffs have very legitimate claims supported by objective evidence, 1 is in a gray area, and one of the plaintiffs is attempting to hold UConn responsible for activities by foreign nationals that occurred in a foreign country.

My question after reading this is: why is UConn financially responsible for this? There are criminal and direct civil avenues for redress against the assailants. There may even by a civil rights case that can be made against the assailants. Why is UConn responsible?

http://knowyourix.org/title-ix/title-ix-the-basics/

3. Schools must be proactive in ensuring that your campus is free of sex discrimination. You are protected under Title IX even if you do not experience sex discrimination directly. Schools must take immediate steps to address any sex discrimination, sexual harassment or sexual violence happening on campus to prevent it from affecting students further. If a school knows or reasonably should know about discrimination, harassment or violence that is creating a “hostile environment” for any student, it must act to eliminate it, remedy the harm caused and prevent its recurrence.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The problem I see is that the plaintiffs never established that the sexual violence happened. I am not saying that it did not happen, because I think it is very likely that two of the women were raped, but what I think doesn't matter. Nothing has been proven. Simply saying "I am a victim of some crime, now pay me", is not how the legal system should or does work. They are essentially suing UConn because UConn police did not accept their statements as fact, or in 2 cases, suing UConn because UConn police did not have appropriate jurisdiction for a crime.

Incorporating a fourth "victim", who appears to have some serious credibility issues just based on her own version of events, doesn't help the case in the court of law or legal opinion. I don't understand why she is even in the case. Does Title IX require 4 or more plaintiffs to establish a class?

I feel terrible for at least two of the plaintiffs, but it seems to me that the re-victimization of those women is being perpetrated by a showboating lawyer, not UConn.

 

[cjd05002]

May some post a link to the actual Complaint filed in Federal Court.

 

[ruskin]

What do you mean by spoken to? Like, "Don't do that?" The proper response would be to fire the person.

The proper response would be to fire the person IF it can be verified that is what they said after an investigation. You know, that quaint notion of due process and all. Still want to know how UConn addressed this with the cop

I respect your overall stance upstater. Sexual assault and domestic violence should be severely punished when claims are proven are true. I get that it's not easy for victims to come forward (although why Ricci did not seek medical treatment after this ALLEGED act is baffling). If UConn enabled the bad guys here, shame on them. Herbst has put her presidency on the line by saying these allegations were properly addressed. If that's proven false, then she should pay the price.

But we've seen too many cases like this -- not just Duke lacrosse -- where the allegations were unfounded. Using Gloria Allred as a champion, IMO, hurts rather than helps their case. Then just throwing out "a football player raped me" without any more specifics or evidence indicts a whole lot of innocent people who have no connection to this case. What if I said "the Women's Center is misusing state funds?" -- not equating rape with fraud, BTW -- but charging a large group of people when at best only 1 or 2 may or may not have committed the act.

 

[upstater]

The proper response would be to fire the person IF it can be verified that is what they said after an investigation. You know, that quaint notion of due process and all. Still want to know how UConn addressed this with the cop

I respect your overall stance upstater. s e xual assault and domestic violence should be severely punished when claims are proven are true. I get that it's not easy for victims to come forward (although why Ricci did not seek medical treatment after this ALLEGED act is baffling). If UConn enabled the bad guys here, shame on them. Herbst has put her presidency on the line by saying these allegations were properly addressed. If that's proven false, then she should pay the price.

But we've seen too many cases like this -- not just Duke lacrosse -- where the allegations were unfounded. Using Gloria Allred as a champion, IMO, hurts rather than helps their case. Then just throwing out "a football player raped me" without any more specifics or evidence indicts a whole lot of innocent people who have no connection to this case. What if I said "the Women's Center is misusing state funds?" -- not equating rape with fraud, BTW -- but charging a large group of people when at best only 1 or 2 may or may not have committed the act.

I provided plenty of links previously showing the schools are at fault. Whether Ricci's case is real or not is totally irrelevant for me given how often this happens, even at UConn.

 

[junglehusky]

I get that it's not easy for victims to come forward (although why Ricci did not seek medical treatment after this ALLEGED act is baffling).

It's not baffling at all. People who are the victims of physical and/or psychological trauma don't always act logically.

 

[ruskin]

I provided plenty of links previously showing the schools are at fault. Whether Ricci's case is real or not is totally irrelevant for me given how often this happens, even at UConn.

So it's OK to highly publicize a claim of rape and bring in Allred even if it's not true just to further the cause? Ends justify the means? Wow

Dude this is the Internet. Don't just provide links and make people wade through stuff. You can pull out the bullet points.

I bet it's not "irrelevant" to the player whose name will eventually become known (if it's not already in the UConn campus social media world). And you still haven't said what leads you to believe UConn has not investigated the cop for the alleged insensitive statements.

 

[ruskin]

It's not baffling at all. People who are the victims of physical and/or psychological trauma don't always act logically.

Agreed. However, assuming she told friends or relatives about this, seems they are the ones who should have assisted her to seek treatment. Of course, that can't happen if you don't tell anyone, which is understandable as well for a victim.

 

[upstater]

So it's OK to highly publicize a claim of rape and bring in Allred even if it's not true just to further the cause? Ends justify the means? Wow

Dude this is the Internet. Don't just provide links and make people wade through stuff. You can pull out the bullet points.

I bet it's not "irrelevant" to the player whose name will eventually become known (if it's not already in the UConn campus social media world). And you still haven't said what leads you to believe UConn has not investigated the cop for the alleged insensitive statements.

Why are you so incensed about publicity? This is what it takes to get these schools to act. Ends justify the means? You act like the means are immoral or something. Please.

The links show that UConn hides accusations of sex assault. They show that Amherst college does too and many other places. With multiple people being told a music professor is abusing children on campus, no one takes the case to the top. It's swept under a rub. Par for the course.

About he cop, did you not read the complaint?

 

[upstater]

About Allred, she's the only one to take Bobby Davis's case. No one before her ever brought it into the public. ESPN hid it, Syracuse buried it, Davis himself was not so aware of his possible avenues nor of statutes of limitations, etc. Sometimes that's what it takes. Were it not for the after-the-fact advice, we'd never have heard about Davis at all.

 

[whaler11]

This place can really make your head hurt.

 

[junglehusky]

This place can really make your head hurt.

Yeah. This is why I stay away from comments sections of courant.com or other newspapers.

 

[CoachUConn]

I'd be interested to hear bizlaw's take on this.

Here's mine: This is completely gutless on Rose Ricci's part and damages her credibility, that of her other litigants and trivializes an important issue. Her "I feel invalidated all over again" sounds very hollow, melodramatic and if it was scripted at the Women's Center. Unless Rose and other produce credible evidence sometime very soon we are sprinting into Duke lacrosse territory.

Hey Rose -- quit playing games. Tell us who this SUPPOSED attacker was and the circumstances (dating or not, alcohol involved, etc. etc) You've come forward to identify yourself as an ALLEGED victim. Don't make all the players suspects.

I have a 19-year-old daughter. I can't imagine what I what would do if something like this happened to her. But I'm pretty sure if I was confident she had a legitimate case I wouldn't let her traipse all over campus and the media as a tool of the evil Gloria Allred.

hey ruskinc,go duck* yourself. i know rose personally. we need to close this thread we have no busniness talking about this on a football forum. if we find the players name then yes. but let's shut this down

 

[ruskin]

Why are you so incensed about publicity? This is what it takes to get these schools to act. Ends justify the means? You act like the means are immoral or something. Please.

The links show that UConn hides accusations of s e x assault. They show that Amherst college does too and many other places. With multiple people being told a music professor is abusing children on campus, no one takes the case to the top. It's swept under a rub. Par for the course.

About he cop, did you not read the complaint?

I'm incensed about the publicity IF THE ALLEGATIONS ARE NOT TRUE. Duke lacrosse and other cases have taught us there are times when people are falsely accused. I know one thing. If I'm the player (of the father of the player) who gets outed as the alleged rapist and Ricci's claims are proven false -- and we agree there's a possibility she actually might be lying or embellishing -- Gloria Allred should get prepared to lose a significant chunk of cash. And if the Women's Center had any role in furthering untrue claims, I'd sue them and/or UConn for enabling them to do it.

I know about the complaint about the cop. That's not what I'm asking You've said UConn has taken no action with the cop. What's the proof that UConn hasn't spoken to or investigated the cop?

One thing that would be helpful in this discussion is to limit it to the allegations made by Ricci about the football player. That's why this story is on this UConn football message board. The waters are being muddied by other cases elsewhere. If we're going to start talking about the overall sexual assault on campus issue this ought go to the Cesspool. And I choose not to wade in there.

 

[ruskin]

hey ruskinc,go f* yourself. i know rose personally. we need to close this thread we have no busniness talking about this on a football forum. if we find the players name then yes. but let's shut this down

Hey buddy just becuase you're friends with an ALLEGED victim doesn't mean you get to flex your internet muscles, suspend my free speech rights, or the others on this board who have issues with the credibility of your friend, who made a conscious decision to become a public figure and try to make this a national story and take down UConn football on the way. When she said "football player" that's when it became a VALID topic for this board.

I'll stop when she and Allred stop calling press conferences. I'll stop when newspapers and TV stations stop doing stories about this.

Your friend has created 105-plus suspects by her claim. Somebody needs to defend a lot of innocent players here who had nothing to do with this.

And another thing. If you are a friend of hers why didn't you or her other friends get her to a doctor after this alleged act? Her case would be a lot stronger.

 

[junglehusky]

While I do feel outrage about cases of false accusation, it does disrupt their lives, reputations etc, I feel 5,983,751,207,879 times more outrage on behalf all of the actual victims of assault around the world who can't get justice, for whatever institutional, cultural, religious, political reasons. I also think that if you can create a culture of respect and responsibility, you can significantly cut down the potential for false accusations.

 

[junglehusky]

Hey buddy just becuase you're friends with an ALLEGED victim doesn't mean you get to flex your internet muscles, suspend my free speech rights, or the others on this board who have issues with the credibility of your friend, who made a conscious decision to become a public figure and try to make this a national story and take down UConn football on the way. When she said "football player" that's when it became a VALID topic for this board.

I'll stop when she and Allred stop calling press conferences. I'll stop when newspapers and TV stations stop doing stories about this.

Your friend has created 105-plus suspects by her claim. Somebody needs to defend a lot of innocent players here who had nothing to do with this.

And another thing. If you are a friend of hers why didn't you or her other friends get her to a doctor after this alleged act? Her case would be a lot stronger.

cesspool please