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HuskyBballFan said:
How does the university response sound like they're accepting this? Manuel is pretty clearly calling out the NCAA on how absurd their methodology is.
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It just sounds like the university is 'hoping' they reconsider. How many more times do they have to shoot us down before the university abandons the politically correct jargon and fights?
 
During the season that the UConn men's basketball team won the NCAA national championship, the squad had a nearly-perfect 978 APR score in 2010-11. During the fall 2011 semester, the team had a perfect APR score. Connecticut's other 23 athletic teams all have four-year APR scores that are above 945.

NCAA should be ashamed of themselves. But I am sure they aren't.
 
Vuce said:
I didnt think Uconn had any chance at winning the appeal. The only real chance they had/have is for the NCAA to change the time frame for using the data. It is illogical if they don't use the most recent data but we are talking about the NCAA here.
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This is right, but an appeal ought to be perfectly legitimate, given the APR improvement in recent years. Why it's not is clear only to Mark Emmert, apparently.
 
Ricky1Moore said:
During the season that the UConn men's basketball team won the NCAA national championship, the squad had a nearly-perfect 978 APR score in 2010-11. During the fall 2011 semester, the team had a perfect APR score. Connecticut's other 23 athletic teams all have four-year APR scores that are above 945.

NCAA should be ashamed of themselves. But I am sure they aren't.
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Considering the only kids left on the team are perfect and account for (currently) 11 players, it is pretty frustrating for the kids. I feel bad for them.
 
HuskyfanDan said:
i blame dyson
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I know this is a joke, but Dyson was the only one out of the eight players from the 2006 recruiting class to graduate. What really hurts is that Gavin Edwards was supposedly 3-6 credits away from graduating.
 
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AD Warde Manuel to hold conference call re: appeal rejection in about 15 minutes.

I'm interested to see what is said... Will he stand up for the program?

This is an outrage.
 
UChusky916 said:
AD Warde Manuel to hold conference call re: appeal rejection in about 15 minutes.

I'm interested to see what is said... Will he stand up for the program?

This is an outrage.
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Considering his initial quotes, I think he is going to be fairly strong in his wording.
 
Inyatkin said:
This is right, but an appeal ought to be perfectly legitimate, given the APR improvement in recent years. Why it's not is clear only to Mark Emmert, apparently.
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they gave ULM back a year
 
sledog said:
Sue the bastards. The 'double jep' seems a good place to start.
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They can't sue under double jeopardy since that only refers to people being tried by the government for the same crime more than once. The NCAA, by law, does not fall under the category of a government entity.

Where they do have a case, though, is how they're punished twice for something that was put in place retroactively...especially when, as Manuel pointed out, they gave off the impression schools would have time to adjust to the rule change.

This is far from over. If the NCAA doesn't decide to use the 2011-12 data as the most recent, then I expect UConn to sue (if they don't decide to do so before then).
 
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"I say we blow the duckers up."
- Dudley "Booger" Dawson
 
Shockingly bad decision that was entirely expected. Manuel was spot on in his comments.
 
what's really puzzling to me, and i think a good basis for an argument, is that they (NCAA) is still handing out waivers to other schools (http://www.ulmwarhawks.com/ViewArti...81&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=205386573&DB_OEM_ID=19000). being that they are a private organization, they're allowed to make unfair bylaws as far as i understand, regardless of retroactive laws etc. but a good basis for a suit would be that they're trying "to make an example out of uconn" and uconn, being the bigger name, gets unfairly punished and smaller schools, like ulm, get by

its bullshit
 
Not surprised, NCAA wants to make an example out of a big school... we are unfortunately in position to be that school. Is this not an ex post facto law, though? The NCAA is increasing the punishment for a crime that was already committed, by defintion they are supposed to be used going foward, meaning any crime commited before than can not be retroactively punished or have an increased punishment. Can someone with a better understanding correct me on this because it seems what the NCAA is doing is unconsititutional.. my community college education can only get me so far.
 
SlicinNDyson11 said:
Not surprised, NCAA wants to make an example out of a big school... we are unfortunately in position to be that school. Is this not an ex post facto law, though? The NCAA is increasing the punishment for a crime that was already committed, by defintion they are supposed to be used going foward, meaning any crime commited before than can not be retroactively punished or have an increased punishment. Can someone with a better understanding correct me on this because it seems what the NCAA is doing is unconsititutional.. my community college education can only get me so far.
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They're not crimes, and they're not a government. They're violations of rules made by a private organization. That's the difference. Doesn't make it any less wrong, but there it is.
 
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Inyatkin said:
They're not crimes, and they're not a government. They're violations of rules made by a private organization. That's the difference. Doesn't make it any less wrong, but there it is.
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I figured as such, funny how the media seems to continuesly overlook the fact the NCAA is getting away with this maddness.
 
Where the hell does this leave us? I hope Calhoun announces he's staying next week. We need some stability and fast. Lamb and Drumond will make some news soon, hopefully in our favor, yet for Lamb I can't see him coming back for regular season victories. Drummond maybe for 'work' purposes.

This sucks!
 
Will it be a committee deciding if the rules should change or will that be Emmert's call?
 
This is bad news. Have to imagine Drummond and Lamb will leave now. You can't establish your "brand" like all these kids want without the NCAA tourney spotlight.
 
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Reno said:
This is bad news. Have to imagine Drummond and Lamb will leave now. You can't establish your "brand" like all these kids want without the NCAA tourney spotlight.
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I think post season eligibility would be a tiny consideration in whether or not those 2 return. Were they are drafted and how long they play in the NBA can translate into 10s of millions of dollars. I don't think playing in the NCAA has anywhere near that impact - maybe a good tournament can bump you up a spot or two or add a little to a shoe deal, but I don't think it's anywhere as important as leaving at the best time for you as a player.
 
The NCAA is a private organization but there are certainly grounds for suit here and I would imagine we would go that route as soon as they rule against us again in this decision regarding when the new APR rules take effect. We don't want to burn that bridge just yet, but if they rule against us again, I hope we burn the whole ducking city down.
 
Eh, this sucks. It is what it is.

The only way UConn can turn this upside down is if they have a really good year next year and are barred from the postseason. The talking heads will then ask why the bad APR score of those no longer on the team are barring one of the best teams in the postseason.

Until then, there is no good to come out of this for UConn at all. At least, all I know is that UConn still is a great academic university. Just unfortunately the athletics program and the university aren't on the same page. With new leadership, that should change quickly.
 
I'm not saying the NCAA's penalty is fair - I don't think it is fair to apply this standard retroactively. But let's not pretend like UConn doesn't deserve a lot of blame and criticism here. I think programs should make it their goal for a kid to leave with a degree, and/or as a 1st round pick. Otherwise, it's a failure. As of right now, everyone in the 2010 and 2011 recruiting classes are still at UConn. We can look at the 4 previous classes (2006, 2007, 2008, 2009) where 100% of the players are now gone.

Since 2006, the following have left UConns basketball program without a degree or being a 1st round NBA pick:
Jamal Trice, Jonathon Mandeldove, Charles Okwandu, Darius Smith, Jamal Coombs-McDaniel, Alex Oriachi, Ater Majok, Nate Miles, Scottie Harlason, Doug Wiggins, Curtis Kelly, Ben Eaves, Stanley Robinson.

Since 2006, the following have left UConn with a degree and/or being a first round pick:
Hasheem Thabeet, Jermoe Dyson, Kemba Walker, Donnell Beverly.

In my opinion, UConn has failed with 13/17 of those kids. 2/17 kids in the NBA. 3/17 kids with degrees. I think that is disgusting, and an embarrassment. And I was born in CT, I've been a UConn fan since I can remember, have a sister about to get her MD from UConn, and a dad with a masters from UConn. I'm not some outsider that dislikes the program - one of my earliest memories in life is giving Chris Smith a high five (hence the handle). I love the university and the program.

While I truly hope the NCAA looks at the more recent data and the current kids don't get punished for Calhoun's and others mistakes, if not, I blame Calhoun more than the NCAA.
 
I could actually see that (a lawsuit) happening as a negotiating ploy. it risks tying the NCAA up and risks there future enforcement so at that point they likely would work something out. Particularly if UCONN was able to get an injunction. In effect that is what UNLV did many years ago. Went to court and challeneged the NCAA. the sides worked out a deal that let UNLV defend their title then Tarkanian was suspended for the next season as was UNLV...and the suit was carried on ultimately making it to the Supreme court. Tarkanian sued them seperatley for their continued harrassment after he left UNLV and the NCAA ultimately settled that one for $2.5million I think. I could see something like that working out where the NCAA agrees to allow UCONN inot the tournament if they qualify, and UCONN accepts the other proposed penalties it proposed. Maybe in a "seperate" action (wink wink) Calhoun retires.
 
ChrisSmith said:
I'm not saying the NCAA's penalty is fair - I don't think it is fair to apply this standard retroactively. But let's not pretend like UConn doesn't deserve a lot of blame and criticism here. I think programs should make it their goal for a kid to leave with a degree, and/or as a 1st round pick. Otherwise, it's a failure. As of right now, everyone in the 2010 and 2011 recruiting classes are still at UConn. We can look at the 4 previous classes (2006, 2007, 2008, 2009) where 100% of the players are now gone.

Since 2006, the following have left UConns basketball program without a degree or being a 1st round NBA pick:
Jamal Trice, Jonathon Mandeldove, Charles Okwandu, Darius Smith, Jamal Coombs-McDaniel, Alex Oriachi, Ater Majok, Nate Miles, Scottie Harlason, Doug Wiggins, Curtis Kelly, Ben Eaves, Stanley Robinson.

Since 2006, the following have left UConn with a degree and/or being a first round pick:
Hasheem Thabeet, Jermoe Dyson, Kemba Walker, Donnell Beverly.

In my opinion, UConn has failed with 13/17 of those kids. 2/17 kids in the NBA. 3/17 kids with degrees. I think that is disgusting, and an embarrassment. And I was born in CT, I've been a UConn fan since I can remember, have a sister about to get her MD from UConn, and a dad with a masters from UConn. I'm not some outsider that dislikes the program - one of my earliest memories in life is giving Chris Smith a high five (hence the handle).
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Thats about as simplistic a view as the APR has. Also Chuck Okwandu graduated I asked him a few weeks ago.

Ben Eaves graduated from URI, Curtis Kelly also graduated from K-State. Haralson is on pace to graduate from Tulane. Majok and Robinson were both 2nd round picks. I see nothing wrong with Majok's situation. Robinson and Edwards (who you forgaot) are examples of the clasic case of the APR screwing a senior.

You can't make kids stay if they want to transfer...

I am not placing all the blame on the APR but the system is flawed and all UConn had to do was forge a few credits like I am convinced other schools are doing.

Unlike you I am not disgusted
 
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