UConn academics puts 2013 tourney out of reach

[upstater]

Many years ago, on U. Miami's campus, I was told by people higher up in administration that the football players only take intersession courses in summer and in early January, which enables them not to enroll for the Fall semester. So now these standards are being imported everywhere into the NCAA.

I noted that UConn's football team this week came out very flat for a game against Pittsburgh. It probably should not be lost on anyone that students are in the midst of a two-week mid-term exam period, and the game was on a Wednesday night.

Really, who is the NCAA fooling with these APR standards?

 

[suzyq]

That would be a crime if that was the case. It wasn't like UConn planned for AD to decide at the last minute to come to UConn. And I would hope that people would realize that AD is the home-state hero that wanted to attend his state's university. There was no intent to circumvent the penalties.

I don't know if that's true Stu. I'm sure there was some back slapping going on in the basketball offices when they managed to land Drummond even with the sanctions in place. However that's not the point, the NCAA shouldn't be in the revenge business, let's leave that to Inogo Montoya.

 

[HuskyHawk]

This would be the biggest disgrace ever. Not sure if I could stay a Uconn fan if this happens.

What? Why? Take your anger out on the pinheads at the NCAA instead.

 

[suzyq]

Some of you need to stop taking yourselves so seriously. Look up hyperbole before you trip over your penises to post a criticism of what other people are posting.

I don't have a penis...

 

[HuskyHawk]

UConn will be alright. They would sue the NCAA and would win easily. There is a zero percent chance that the NCAA's retroactive rule would stand a chance in court. UConn would threaten to sue the NCAA, and the NCAA would drop the ban before the paperwork got to the courthouse because they know they have no chance in that case.

The earliest thing the NCAA could possibly do is say that if you fail to meet a limit for the 2011-2012 season, that you can't play in the tournament for the 2012-2013 season. You just can't use some old stat as your basis for punishment.

The fact that UConn already got punished for those older years just makes UConn's case even stronger, as if it weren't bulletproof already.

Actually, you are wrong. If the NCAA were the government, and these were criminal penalties, then they couldn't do this. However, the NCAA is a voluntary association, and UConn agreed to abide by their rules. UConn can leave the NCAA if it likes. Concepts like Due Process and Ex Post Facto laws do not apply to a private association enforcing its rules.

That said, I think something will be done to avoid this outcome.

 

[DogMania]

I don't know if that's true Stu. I'm sure there was some back slapping going on in the basketball offices when they managed to land Drummond even with the sanctions in place. However that's not the point, the NCAA shouldn't be in the revenge business, let's leave that to Inogo Montoya.

I wasn't implying that the staff didn't enjoy the fact that they did find a way to get around the penalties and have 11 scholarship level players. My point was they wouldn't have done this for any other recruit. In fact, if AD had made his decision before Daniels did, I'm sure they would have told Deandre that they no longer had a ship for him.

 

[EricSD]

They can't do this retroactively... Uconn will not be banned from the NCAA Tournament, everyone relax. Can the season just start already...

agree. writers can write whatever they want, no matter how flawed. doesn't make it true.

 

[Danzz]

Here is another article from the Connecticut Post. Pay close attention to Walter Harrison's comments about possible changes in data collection years used in determining tournament eligibility that would favor UConn and also re; the waiver process.

We're(Susan is) Getting Our House In Order! Honest!

One thing is clear: nothing is clear.

 

[TheRogers]

I don't know guys...if this is in fact the stance....

"For access to postseason competition in 2012-13 and 2013-14, teams must achieve a 900 multiyear APR or a 930 average over the most recent two years to be eligible," he said in an email to the AP. "For 2012-13, those years would be 2009-10 and 2010-11. For 2013-14, those years would be 2010-11 and 2011-12."
Condition 1: teams must achieve a 900 multiyear APR
APR for 2009-10: 826
APR for 2010-11: 975
Condition 2: 930 average over the most recent two years
APR Average: 900.5

What gets me is that the 930 seems off base.

A team that has a 900 in 2009-10 and 2010-11 (which has a 900 average) is fine. I could hope we could lobby to start the average at 900 and steadily increase it to 930.

 

[TheRogers]

Just another thought. Can players from 2009-10 have a chance to finish up and change the 826 score?

 

[intlzncster]

I don't have a penis...

Judging by your 'likes', the board appears well pleased that you are not endowed in any capacity. I'm guessing transgenders would not fair well on the Boneyard.

 

[Scot-e]

You think this is bad- wait till the season starts. Haters are gonna hate and they are going to be out in force if we have a good team this year. I am greatful our board moved- it will cut back on trolls this year that can not find the site.
Time for us to put our collective heads down and enjoy this season. We will wind up somewhere- the APR thing will most likely work out as well in the end- neither will happen before the season begins or possibly ends.

I find the speculation on this board to be right in line with what the talking heads have been doing to us for years- putting us in the worst light possible so they have something to write about. Well I'm ready to let the pieces fall in place over time and I am cursing this lull before the season and the brand new sandwich served up by the NCAA we once again have to choke down. Fortunately I am full from the last 5 years of sandwiches and have no room left for any of this doomsday speculation.

WE ARE DOOMED!

 

[ctchamps]

You think this is bad- wait till the season starts. Haters are gonna hate and they are going to be out in force if we have a good team this year.
I find the speculation on this board to be right in line with what the talking heads have been doing to us for years- putting us in the worst light possible so they have something to write about.
WE ARE DOOMED!

UConn should be all right when all the dust settles including being in the post seasons the next two seasons if they continue to improve the APR and win games.

UConn is the new Duke and like it or not people love to bandwagon with winners and love to watch them fall.

Continued...

 

[ctchamps]

The thing we'll all have to endure this season is the constant telecasting during UConn games that UConn MAY not be in the 2013 postseason tournament. And this will continue until an official statement specifically states UConn has demonstrated enough progress to warrant a waiver. I doubt this statement will be forthcoming, but I do expect the reporting of APR's to be changed, and when that does most reasonable commentators like Jay Bilas and Andy Katz will be on top of the progress UConn is making and report that UConn is likely to get into the 2013 tournament.

As far as recruiting goes, I think UConn will be fine. As intlzncster pointed out this trouble is just fodder for JC. And I'll add one more thing to go along with your DOOOMMED! Scot-e.

The world can throw at JC and the bb program. But the Universe will give him the final laugh once again in the form of another NC or two.

 

[rman726]

Actually, you are wrong. If the NCAA were the government, and these were criminal penalties, then they couldn't do this. However, the NCAA is a voluntary association, and UConn agreed to abide by their rules. UConn can leave the NCAA if it likes. Concepts like Due Process and Ex Post Facto laws do not apply to a private association enforcing its rules.

That said, I think something will be done to avoid this outcome.

Basically, just think of the NCAA as a government authorized monopoly. There are no other real options for schools to switch to. Not to mention how much the NCAA gains in many other ways from the government's support. Therefore, the government has as much say as they want in the business. Similar to how Congress has been butting itself in the MLB and NFL's business for years. And those two leagues don't have public institution teams (ie government owned assets).

 

[blackbird]

Just out of curiosity, did Price, Adrien, and Austrie graduate? I swear I read AJ did, but I don't know about the other two.

 

[intlzncster]

Just out of curiosity, did Price, Adrien, and Austrie graduate? I swear I read AJ did, but I don't know about the other two.

AJP and Craig did. Not sure about Jeff. I want to say that he did based on recollection, but I've got nothing substantial on that one.

 

[CL82]

The haters are really going to lick this story up. I guess it just gives JC one more reason to win another title this year.

Exactly. You know, you'd think people would know not to piss him off by now.

 

[BUHusky]

AJP and Craig did. Not sure about Jeff. I want to say that he did based on recollection, but I've got nothing substantial on that one.

I'm almost positive Adrien did NOT graduate. If I recall correctly he left school a few days after the Final Four to start prepping for the NBA draft.

 

[uconnfan68]

Many years ago, on U. Miami's campus, I was told by people higher up in administration that the football players only take intersession courses in summer and in early January, which enables them not to enroll for the Fall semester. So now these standards are being imported everywhere into the NCAA.

I noted that UConn's football team this week came out very flat for a game against Pittsburgh. It probably should not be lost on anyone that students are in the midst of a two-week mid-term exam period, and the game was on a Wednesday night.

Really, who is the NCAA fooling with these APR standards?

What do you know about Kentucky's situation? They have a lot of 1-and-dones, and don't take hits that people like Gavin Edwards cost us (in his 8th semester. leaves for pro tryouts). Do they simply not enroll for the Spring semester? How else can they do it?

 

[intlzncster]

What do you know about Kentucky's situation? They have a lot of 1-and-dones, and don't take hits that people like Gavin Edwards cost us (in his 8th semester. leaves for pro tryouts). Do they simply not enroll for the Spring semester? How else can they do it?

While not UK, Kansas had an interesting one last year with Josh Selby. He didn't even show up 2nd semester. They claimed he was doing correspondence courses (from Las Vegas!!!) while getting ready for the draft. He never got along well with the coach/program, so I doubt he actually did the work out of the goodness of his heart.

No worries for them though.

 

[ctchamps]

While not UK, Kansas had an interesting one last year with Josh Selby. He didn't even show up 2nd semester. They claimed he was doing correspondence courses (from Las Vegas!!!) while getting ready for the draft. He never got along well with the coach/program, so I doubt he actually did the work out of the goodness of his heart.

No worries for them though.

That's why this whole thing regarding UConn is a farce. UConn is the poster child to give the NCAA an appearance it is really doing something. It isn't doing anything if it isn't overseeing the universities to determine the accuracy of their reporting. So the timing of the announcement of the new rules by the NCAA was to make sure a program with notoriety was giving the NCAA the desired publicity. It sucks for UConn that they just happened to be in the post office when the NCAA went postal.

But UConn will survive this. The problem with the reporters who are targeting UConn is that they are missing the real story, the things people are providing in these forums. Which is probably why JC was so irritable with the reporter in that interview, and which is why I suspect JH has a role in all this.

 

[prankster]

I don't have a penis...

Rummage around a bit in your husbands trousers....that's probably where you left it.

 

[upstater]

What do you know about Kentucky's situation? They have a lot of 1-and-dones, and don't take hits that people like Gavin Edwards cost us (in his 8th semester. leaves for pro tryouts). Do they simply not enroll for the Spring semester? How else can they do it?

If they get a summer semester under their belt, maybe an intersession between Fall and Spring, they might not have to enroll for the spring. If the school allows it.

UConn making 3 courses mandatory in the summer is a move toward this kind of setup.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I could be wrong but I thought that in order to be eligible you had to be enrolled in three classes (at a minimum) at the start of any semester that you were competing as a student athlete. Granted, once February hits you can drop all courses (and as your career would be over before any requirements to make up these classes kicked in) so showing up for more than the first two or three classes may not be necessary for any one and dones (and had been common in many places) but they had to be enrolled when the semester began.

 

[upstater]

I could be wrong but I thought that in order to be eligible you had to be enrolled in three classes (at a minimum) at the start of any semester that you were competing as a student athlete. Granted, once February hits you can drop all courses (and as your career would be over before any requirements to make up these classes kicked in) so showing up for more than the first two or three classes may not be necessary for any one and dones (and had been common in many places) but they had to be enrolled when the semester began.

And what of intersession courses? Emeka had only one course in the Spring? I think you have to maintain status with a university, you have to be enrolled, BUT, does the winter intersession count as enrollment Spring enrollment? The Miami people told me this is how they did it.