UConn academics puts 2013 tourney out of reach

[progrocks]

What the NCAA will do is what they can do without getting sued. Meaning... They cannot punish people retroactively.

My bet is they will start with this years APR as the first year of the new system. Only way not to cause serious ruckus...

Otherwise schools like uconn would sue and bring to light just how absurd the APR system is, make the NCAA look even stupider than it already does on most days.

hopefully. the APR is a load of sh--, but no one cares about the truth. The NCAA just feels the need to swing their d--k around because they are feeling impotent over everything else that is happening outside their power in the college game. They do not care who gets hurt

 

[Rumrunner]

UConn will not be banned from 2013 tourney. I guaranfluckuntee that 2011-2012's scores (if they're good), will either be the one that is used in the 2 year average if released more quickly OR will be used successfully as the basis for "significant improvement" waiver. Stop getting your knickers in a twist. EDUCATE yourself before prostrating yourself on the ground sobbing like pansies.

 

[UConn Hoops1]

Say what? I can't believe that this is true...

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=ap-apr-uconn

Here is some more info from the CBS Sports college hoops site with a university statement and a comment from Susan Herbst.

'Connecticut, which lost two scholarships this season as a result of the latest APR report, sought clarification hoping the NCAA might use numbers from the 2010-11 and 2011-12 school years. The 2011-12 numbers are not expected to be released until May 2013, after the tournament is played.
"The University of Connecticut has received clarification today that the two APR years for determining eligibility for the 2012-13 NCAA Championships will be 2009-10 and 2010-11," the university said in a statement Thursday evening. "As all APR information is made public by the NCAA annually in May, we will have no further comment until the official data is released."
NCAA spokesman Erik Christianson confirmed the governing body's position.
"For access to postseason competition in 2012-13 and 2013-14, teams must achieve a 900 multiyear APR or a 930 average over the most recent two years to be eligible," he said in an email to the AP. "For 2012-13, those years would be 2009-10 and 2010-11. For 2013-14, those years would be 2010-11 and 2011-12."
On Wednesday, UConn President Susan Herbst said she was confident that the new rule would not be implemented until schools such as Connecticut have a chance to show they have made improvements.
"We just need time to prepare, and I think that's true for a lot of institutions," she said. "We need to get the supports in place so they can meet any new standard. I have no doubt that we'll have that chance."
Walter Harrison, the president of the University of Hartford and chairman of the NCAA's Committee on Academic Performance, seemed to indicate Thursday that was the intent.
"They are giving schools and teams a chance to change their behavior, but also doing it pretty rapidly so they are going to have to get on the stick," he said.
A message seeking comment was left for Herbst on Thursday evening.
Len Elmore, a member of the Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics, called UConn's situation unfortunate, but said he was not surprised.
"It's a cautionary tale," he said. "But the need for again, focusing on the true mission of the university, is to graduate players and you can't fail at the most important task whether you're national champions or not." '

 

[champs99and04]

UConn will not be banned from 2013 tourney. I guaranfluckuntee that 2011-2012's scores (if they're good), will either be the one that is used in the 2 year average if released more quickly OR will be used successfully as the basis for "significant improvement" waiver. Stop getting your knickers in a twist. EDUCATE yourself before prostrating yourself on the ground sobbing like pansies.

Weren't you the one reporting UConn was going to miss the 2012 tournament just a couple days ago?

 

[UConn4ever]

This would be the biggest disgrace ever. Not sure if I could stay a Uconn fan if this happens.

Dont let the door hit you on the way out!

 

[UConn Hoops1]

Weren't you the one reporting UConn was going to miss the 2012 tournament just a couple days ago?

Here is another article from the Connecticut Post. Pay close attention to Walter Harrison's comments about possible changes in data collection years used in determining tournament eligibility that would favor UConn and also re; the waiver process.

We're(Susan is) Getting Our House In Order! Honest!

 

[champs99and04]

Here is another article from the Connecticut Post. Pay close attention to Walter Harrison's comments about possible changes in data collection years used in determining tournament eligibility that would favor UConn and also re; the waiver process.

We're(Susan is) Getting Our House In Order! Honest!

It definitely bodes well for UConn that the NCAA is looking to make a change in the process. This is a long way from over, and I'd still be very suprised if this resulted in UConn being banned from postseson tournaments. This certainly is not going to help recruiting though.

 

[Huskymaniac]

Not that UConn is free from blame here, but I think it's evident that the APR is a pretty darnty way to judge academic performance. A guy like Gavin Edwards could be one or two classes away from graduation and not get credit, but then a one and done could get credit for spending eight months in college.

EXACTLY!!! Len Elmore is a self-absorbed blowhard that can kiss my arse. This isn't about graduating kids or Kentucky would have lost every scholarship and wouldn't be allowed to play in the tournament for the next four years. This is about revenge for Calhoun getting Drummond onto the team. Our biggest concern is that this doesn't affect the way the refs view our program and call our games. They seemed to be able to look beyond the noise everyone was trying to make heading into the tournament last year so, hopefully, they can do the same this year too. Because, you damn well know that this will come up again right before the tournament starts in March. Even if there is no new information, stories will fly about how this will be "UConn's last tournament for a while" because "they don't graduate their players".

What really sucks is that the NCAA is punishing the current players with this retroactive bull just as much as they are punishing Calhoun.

 

[UConn990411]

You're a nutjob.

 

[eos91]

I can't link now, but it is 900 or 2y average being much higher... So unless uconn screws it up we are safe. Then the year after or two after it goes fully to 930

 

[intlzncster]

Most important thing is to let Anthony Bennett know that he can come and not miss the NCAA Tourney. Maybe text him. Text him one letter at a time. And call him every 2 minutes. Apparently that's ok now... I wonder who the most annoying NCAA coach will be with constant texting... If Steve Lappas still coached id say him

Lappas is definitely more annoying on the phone than via text. Listening to that guy doing TV analysis is painful.

I gotta think Sampson would win the most annoying award. Even with the restrictions in place, even after getting one school over for excessive contact, he still managed rack up about 1,233, 431 contacts over the limit.

 

[upstater]

About recruiting, ya gotta wonder if it will be impacted more by the other rule passed today, and that's paying athletes $2k each. Not all schools are going to do this. UConn may do it, or it may not. The schools that max out the entertainment fund are going to have a huge recruiting advantage.

 

[UconnDon]

I agree with the poster who said we could not/would not be held to a standard for which we have already been punished. Get 5 years for armed robbery, and during your second year of incarceration find you now have 10 years to serve because the lawmakers increased the sentences for armed robbery. Don't think so.

This is what ex post facto laws were abolished during the establishment of the English Anglo jurisprudence system is all about. But will Susan Herbst sue the NCAA, and when will the new rules be adjudicated out?? Not a good solution. The legal process could be an agonizingly slow process.

I agree that the rules will be somewhat modified as the weeks go by, and improvement over last year will be meaningful for 2013. There will be some corrective measures coming.

 

[Scot-e]

This thread is another hot steamy pile. IMHO.

 

[Huskymaniac]

Some of you need to stop taking yourselves so seriously. Look up hyperbole before you trip over your penises to post a criticism of what other people are posting.

 

[toke]

So if I understand you correctlysince the NCAA is trying to institute a new set of standards which might force UConn to miss the 2013 tournament you will stop being a fan? How do unreasonable NCAA actions cause you to cease being a fan of your team?

Uhhh fine w/e. I was just frustrated at the time. It was an emotional post. Chill... After a couple of blunts and a 40 I realize I won't abandon my fellow Uconn brethren. This is truly disappointing however. HUSKY 4 LIFE.

I have faith that justice will be served and no repercussions will take place and we will complete the 3-peat in 2013. However if we are banned at least we know we will go down as the greatest team ever to not win it all.

 

[Tenspro2002]

Anyone who doesn't think the NCAA is salivating at the thought of making an example out of us is just plain naive.

 

[champs99and04]

Anyone who doesn't think the NCAA is salivating at the thought of making an example out of us is just plain naive.

Maybe so, but it is less likely the legal system will think in those terms.

 

[Letsgohuskies11]

who gives a crap, i didnt realize we played the 2012 season already. The NCAA is so full of shit and contradicts itself.

 

[uconNYC]

Might be one of the few that likes the APR rule. Obviously sucks for us, but I think we've really let things slide in the last few years.

 

[rman726]

UConn will be alright. They would sue the NCAA and would win easily. There is a zero percent chance that the NCAA's retroactive rule would stand a chance in court. UConn would threaten to sue the NCAA, and the NCAA would drop the ban before the paperwork got to the courthouse because they know they have no chance in that case.

The earliest thing the NCAA could possibly do is say that if you fail to meet a limit for the 2011-2012 season, that you can't play in the tournament for the 2012-2013 season. You just can't use some old stat as your basis for punishment.

The fact that UConn already got punished for those older years just makes UConn's case even stronger, as if it weren't bulletproof already.

 

[SkyWalker2011]

Is it just me or has the whole basketball program had a giant target painted on it as of late? Everyone who isn't a UConn fan absolutely loathes us for some reason, which is unfortunate because we not only have a skilled and entertaining team on the court, but some genuinely fun guys off the court with great personalities.

 

[StoweD210]

Anyone who doesn't think the NCAA is salivating at the thought of making an example out of us is just plain naive.

I don't know. The NCAA had a chance to make an example out of the Auburn and Ohio State football teams and ended up just giving OSU a slap on the wrist.

Maybe there is something to the theory that the NCAA is not happy UConn found a way around the scholarship limit. If they wanted to make UConn sweat a bit, then mission accomplished.

In the end, though, unless guys screw up academically, UConn will apply for and receive a waiver for the 12-13 tournament.

 

[DogMania]

What a roller-coaster it's been the past few days. First the NCAA Pres misspoke saying that the committee would vote to implement the tournament ban starting as early as the upcoming postseason. Then he offered up some serious spin saying it was a misunderstanding. Then the report came out that the NCAA was in fact not implementing it this season, that they would implement in stages, and UConn seemed safe with the proposed plan as they being to show improvement.

Now it seems there's an unreachable number for 2013. If this is not clarified soon, stating that UConn would be fine if they continue to show improvement, the Huskies will risk losing recruits. Note that even if there are some law suits to try to prevent that, the damage might already have been done.

It just seems we are getting punished over and over again. I hope this gets cleared up soon. I hope UConn dominates the field this year and wins it all again to counter all this bad news.

I just don't understand why they need to take these measures. Isn't the ship reductions enough of a motivation? In addition to an institution bringing the NCAA to court, I could see the players and their families doing likewise, especially if this the current players collectively are putting up big APR numbers and are being penalized for something that others who aren't even here, with consequences that weren't even in place when they decided to attend UConn.

With the season on the doorstep and so much to hope for, this APR crap is sucking the life out of our Mojo.

 

[DogMania]

I don't know. The NCAA had a chance to make an example out of the Auburn and Ohio State football teams and ended up just giving OSU a slap on the wrist.

Maybe there is something to the theory that the NCAA is not happy UConn found a way around the scholarship limit. If they wanted to make UConn sweat a bit, then mission accomplished.

In the end, though, unless guys screw up academically, UConn will apply for and receive a waiver for the 12-13 tournament.

That would be a crime if that was the case. It wasn't like UConn planned for AD to decide at the last minute to come to UConn. And I would hope that people would realize that AD is the home-state hero that wanted to attend his state's university. There was no intent to circumvent the penalties.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

This would be the biggest disgrace ever. Not sure if I could stay a Uconn fan if this happens.

You'd be missed.

 

[upstater]

Might be one of the few that likes the APR rule. Obviously sucks for us, but I think we've really let things slide in the last few years.

What do you like about it?
Do you like UConn's attempt to comply with it? Here is one aspect of that:

* In order to make significant progress toward graduation, continuing student-athletes will be required to enroll in a minimum of nine credit hours during summer school.

Seems to me UConn is already figuring out how to game it. That a faculty committee recommended this is highly surprising. That's 9 courses at least taken during the summer, over a quarter of them.

 

[HuskyBballFan]

What do you like about it?
Do you like UConn's attempt to comply with it? Here is one aspect of that:

* In order to make significant progress toward graduation, continuing student-athletes will be required to enroll in a minimum of nine credit hours during summer school.

Seems to me UConn is already figuring out how to game it. That a faculty committee recommended this is highly surprising. That's 9 courses at least taken during the summer, over a quarter of them.

Not sure why you think this is gaming the system. With all the travelling these kids do during the season, they probably get a lot more out of a class that they can attend daily during the summer than one during the season where they do a chunk of their "classwork" on the road with a tutor. As long as they're taking the minimum number of credits during the season to stay eligible, I don't see loading up on summer classes as unusual at all.

 

[upstater]

Summer classes, as everyone knows, are a simply money-making scheme by the university. They draw non-matriculated students, and they don't pay out financial aid (typically during the fall and spring semesters, 30% of tuition money is recirculated as financial aid) which means the margins are much higher. Beyond that, the costs of faculty are lowered as even full-time faculty who elect to teach (which is rare) are compensated at a low amount ($3k per class). In other words, the reason for summer classes is $$$.

Beyond that, the time constraint means simply that students are not doing as much work. If a class requires 15 hours of outside work per 17 weeks over a semester, there is simply not enough time in a week to fit that kind of work in. 250 hours per class. 250 hours divided by 4 weeks = 62 hours a week per class. Impossible. This means they are less educational.

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[upstater]

And, most importantly, core courses toward the major are rarely offered in summer. If I were a student-athlete who really really cared about my education, I would balk at being forced to take fully 1/4 of my classes during the summer. Basically, you'd have to take all of your electives in the summers, AND those electives would be in intro courses only.

Anyone can argue that this is probably not a major change in the lives of most top student athletes, but you can't say at all that it isn't a diminishment in education. it is. This is what I've been saying. APR, because it rewards semester-by-semester standing as much as it rewards graduation, will lead to LOWERED standards for education. Who to blame? UConn or the NCAA for forcing 3 summer classes on all athletes?

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