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I was being sarcastic because of all the Carter and Mitchell bashing that goes on here.
Gotta take what the defense gives you.
UCLA vs Oregon - 3/03/18
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I was being sarcastic because of all the Carter and Mitchell bashing that goes on here.
Gotta take what the defense gives you.
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I thought that's what you were going for. I made sure to use a sarcasm indicator w/ an emoticon in my response.
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Just another brutal loss for UCLA. They had the back-to-back overtime losses in the state of Oregon just two weeks ago, and now they go scoreless in the last 5 minutes to drop a third game to Oregon.
They really need to find their confidence to get past the Sweet 16. They should still be a high 3 seed and I could see them paired to play Texas, in what would be a rematch from a Sweet 16 game at Bridgeport two years ago.
They really need to find their confidence to get past the Sweet 16. They should still be a high 3 seed and I could see them paired to play Texas, in what would be a rematch from a Sweet 16 game at Bridgeport two years ago.
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Hey, you never know who will drop in on a Pac 12 Tournament game
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Total choke by UCLA. Very unimpressive coaching down the stretch by Close and very shaky play by someone who should be more experienced and poised in Canada.
I think Oregon is weaker than the other potential 2's yet the softest 1 may also be in Spokane with them. All because Mulkey doesn't know how to schedule. Baylor being a 1 solves an awful lot of problems especially if Louisville loses tomorrow. I don't think the ACC is strong enough based on what I have seen to justify 2 1 seeds.
I think Oregon is weaker than the other potential 2's yet the softest 1 may also be in Spokane with them. All because Mulkey doesn't know how to schedule. Baylor being a 1 solves an awful lot of problems especially if Louisville loses tomorrow. I don't think the ACC is strong enough based on what I have seen to justify 2 1 seeds.
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What makes you say Oregon is weaker than the other potential 2's? And what does Baylor's scheduling have to do with it?
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I think it's pretty self explanatory. I think Baylor, South Carolina, and Texas would all beat Oregon. As Mississippi State and Louisville did. In the last 2 weeks Oregon needed OVERTIME to beat UCLA and a very mediocre USC team at home. They were just handed a win by UCLA.
The only reason Baylor is in contention for a 2 is because of their non conference schedule. Almost everyone considers Mississippi State and Baylor 2 of the top 3-4 teams in the country and yet right now they seem to be destined to meet in Kansas City. I think Baylor being a 1 and the loser of Louisville-ND being a 2 would increase the leverage to make the brackets more competitively balanced and give the committee more opportunities for geographic balance.
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What have Texas and South Carolina done to prove they are clearly superior to Oregon? I haven't seen it. Texas hasn't even come close to Baylor in 2 matchups. South Carolina w/out Wilson is nothing and even with her are no match for the likes of UConn or Mississippi St.
edited--Oregon handled Texas A&M easily twice, Aggies were pretty competitive in the SEC.
edited--Oregon handled Texas A&M easily twice, Aggies were pretty competitive in the SEC.
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Baylor is the overall #5 according to the committee rankings and clearly ahead of Oregon at #6.
Not sure what makes you think South Carolina and Texas are better than Oregon. Neither one of them has beaten any of the other top 8 teams. South Carolina has losses to Tennessee and Missouri. Texas has losses to Tennessee and (ahem) TCU.
Oregon beat A&M twice, convincingly both times, once at College Station and once on a neutral court.
South Carolina, meanwhile, barely beat A&M by 2 points playing at home.
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Well if neither one of them has beaten any of the top 8 teams I'm not sure why you care if I think South Carolina and Texas are better. It's my opinion based on watching them.
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Did you watch South Carolina lose to Missouri? Did you watch them barely beat A&M? Did you watch Texas lose to TCU?
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Did I watch South Carolina blow out 2 ranked teams the last 48 hours? Did I watch them have a senior All American who is arguably the best player in the country who knows how to win a championship and will go all out now in the postseason? Yes i know the supporting cast isn't great, but they only have to be very good one night. They lost to Missouri in the regular season. Oregon ALMOST lost to USC and had many other close calls.
Did I watch Texas have the ball down 2 against UConn? Yes I did. Seeing UConn has lost once in like 150 games that is impressive.
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So you're telling me that you've cherry-picked the best moments of SC and Texas, and then cherry-picked the worst moments of Oregon, and are basing your "opinion" on that comparison. Got it.
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USC was in a lot of close games against good teams. You seem to think they are a bad team, but they are a difficult team to play against because of their style. UCLA is also a good team, and Oregon beat them 3 times this year. you know who didn't manage to beat UCLA? Baylor.
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Well seeing it's been alleged that Missouri is a bad team...
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I haven't seen Missouri much. You seem to be discounting most of the Pac 12 teams.
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I really don't understand your gripe about the balancing of the brackets. It's not going to matter much which order Notre Dame, Louisville, and Baylor are placed in from overall #3 to #5. Since ND and Louisville can't be placed in the same region together, one of them will have to be paired with Baylor in the same region. Which of them is the #1 seed or the #2 seed in the region is pretty unimportant.
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Didn't you cherry pick Texas' worst moment when you cited their loss at TCU?
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Of course, to counter his assertion that Texas was obviously better than Oregon, it seems only fitting to point out that Texas has lost to a much worse team than anyone Oregon has lost to.Didn't you cherry pick Texas' worst moment when you cited their loss at TCU?
Let's compare resumes:
Oregon has 10 wins over the RPI top 50, and 5 wins over the RPI top 25.
Texas has 5 wins over the RPI top 50, and only 1 win over the RPI top 25.
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Maybe I misunderstood, but he wasn't arguing resume's between those teams. He was talking about who he thought would win if they went head-to-head. The word "better" definitely lends itself to opinion.
I don't know what Oregon averaged in home attendance, but unless 500-1,000 Duck fans are guaranteed to travel to Spokane (6 hour drive, I believe), then "geography" shouldn't be used to reward Oregon and keep them out West. Just my opinion, but if the committee is intent on keep Oregon out West, then that does impact the bracket (all across the #2 line).
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Wait, why shouldn't Oregon get the same benefit of geography that highly seeded teams from other parts of the country get? Spokane is a lot closer to Eugene than everywhere east of the Mississippi is. I think Oregon can easily get 500 and maybe 1000 fans there. They have a strong contingent in Seattle for the conference tourney which is at least a 4 hour and maybe more like 5 hour drive from Eugene.
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Refs swallowed their whistles at the end of this game for both teams. Oregon slightly got the advantage over the non calls.
However, UCLA had their chances, but had too many empty possessions at the end of the game. Instead of driving for layups and foul calls, perhaps they should have worked for open jump shots.
However, UCLA had their chances, but had too many empty possessions at the end of the game. Instead of driving for layups and foul calls, perhaps they should have worked for open jump shots.
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I think it's worth noting that both the Louisville and Mississippi losses were on the road, with the former a short turnaround after a road game at A&M, not to mention very early in the season as well. It would be interesting to see what would happen if the 2500 mile flight went west instead of east.
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I watched the 4th quarter. UCLA squandered a 5 point lead in the last 4 minutes. Why? Because suddenly it was not UCLA vs. Oregon, but rather Jordan Canada vs. Oregon. Guess who lost? A prime example of a player trying to win the game on her own and having it fail miserably. It's like she simply forgot she had 4 other talented teammates on the court with her. Sort of can't believe the HC Close allowed it...
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Potatoes potahtoes. The only time this year that Texas has looked like a scary team was when they played UConn close. That's the only thing that has him all in a tizzy. The exact thing happened last year with Maryland, and the same person made the same mistake of panicking when the committee put Maryland as the #3 seed in UConn's bracket. This is just the repeat cycle of the same pattern.
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The only person panicking here is you.
And yeah, my comments on South Carolina were pretty much spot on. Blew out 3 ranked teams in 72 hours including #2 undefeated Miss State.
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First of all, beating a team by 11 points is not a "blowout." Let's at least refrain from cheapening the lexicon.
This was a great win for SC today, by far their best of the season, but let's resist the urge to be prisoners of the moment. As a whole, there's nothing about SC's record this year that screams "clearly better than Oregon." If Oregon loses to Stanford tonight, then SC might nose ahead of Oregon for #6 overall, but the margin will be slim.