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Roomies stepping up for each other. I have noticed that as well. The difference is AM is a scorer and if CW continues her funk, Geno has to firmly tell Anna your job now is to score. He knows she can, we know she can, and maybe now she thinks so as well. Not just threes but drives to basket and pull-ups. She has demonstrated she can make any shot. And is a good FT shooter who needs to drive basket to collect more FT attempts. This girl could average 20 easily.
Anna, Megan and CW all tend to want to be standing still when they get the ball. Tough to run an offense this way. At least Anna cuts frequently. As great as Megan is, she is at her best standing around, making it tough for others to receive ball inside the 3 point line.
 
Some thoughts on the UCF game:
  • Senior Day is always bittersweet. It was great to see all 5 seniors start. What was even better was to see that group of seniors come out and battle a tough UCF team, holding them scoreless before the cavalry arrived. I got a little emotional when Touly took that charging foul and then shouted in exhilaration.
  • The cavalry was a little sluggish on offense, which I sort of expected. But UConn’s defense continued to be stifling, holding an opponent to single digits for the 4th straight qtr with only 4 pts.
  • Against an active zone defense like UCF’s, the Huskies really need Liv on the floor. She makes attacking the zone much easier with her presence in the paint. While she didn’t score much in the 3rd qtr, the court opened up for UConn to knock down a bunch of 3’s.
  • Megan really stepped up today with a solid all-around effort, and Anna really picked it up in the 2nd half with a number of big baskets.
  • I’m all for the refs letting the teams “play,” but these games against UCF are just flat-out ugly. The Knights bang you with their bodies, slap you with their hands and throw an occasional elbow to your face, as Liv discovered, with a possible broken nose. UCF is increasingly pushing the envelope from playing physical to dangerous play. The AAC refs need to take control of these games. An ejection or two might send an appropriate message to UCF’s players as well as Coach Abe.
Those were the Rutgers games all the time. It's part of the game.
 
Anna, Megan and CW all tend to want to be standing still when they get the ball. Tough to run an offense this way. At least Anna cuts frequently. As great as Megan is, she is at her best standing around, making it tough for others to receive ball inside the 3 point line.
Yup.
 
OK, I have to tell everyone's Geno's Anna secret. When the NCAA's come, he will start letting her shoot off the drive. Forecast 30+ points a game. ;) Just kidding....maybe.
Or Geno can tell her she can cut down on TO’s by shooting instead. That works for Meg. Am I kidding? Frankly, I can’t tell anymore.
 
I am really concerned about Christyn, wasnt up until now. Her confidence seems to be at an all time low. Shes just too talented to be struggling this much.

I have to admit I am getting worried as well. Shooting is shooting and I guess that will get better. On the other hand, her driving to the basket has been non existent lately. I get there is a little sagging off of her due to her outside shooting slump but It is almost as if she is tipping off her drive moves. Never seems to get a step on the defender anymore.:confused:
 
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It's not part of the game. I'm tired of "they're a physical team" as an excuse to let players get injured or for generally rough play. Nowhere in the rules does it allow for such.
You never seen games like that? You ever play in games like that? It's been part of basketball for years! Where you been?
 
You never seen games like that? You ever play in games like that? It's been part of basketball for years! Where you been?
With all due respect, there is nothing wrong with physical play, but I agree with Hoopsfan22. Deliberate shots to a player’s head is not part of the game. Why else would the refs call a pair of flagrant fouls on UCF if head shots were a part of the game?

Once upon a time you could get away with all kinds of cheap shots in basketball. That all changed when Kermit Washington crushed Rudy T’s skull in 1977, effectively ending both of their careers. Protecting players health and safety is the #1 job of coaches and referees. Failure to do so should put into question whether or not such individuals like Coach Abe should continue to earn a living coaching young women.
 
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I have to admit I am getting worried as well. It is almost as if she is tipping off her drive moves. Never seems to get a step on the defender anymore.
I wonder if her bad shooting is allowing defenders to play off her, impeding her drives. She showed a very confident, quick, and decisive first step and the ability to finish with either hand last year and even some early on this year. It was explosive, lethal, and she converted at a really high rate.
 
I wonder if her bad shooting is allowing defenders to play off her, impeding her drives. She showed a very confident, quick, and decisive first step and the ability to finish with either hand last year and even some early on this year. It was explosive, lethal, and she converted at a really high rate.
Christyn is not going to get many opportunities to drive against a team that plays zone, which UCF did for the entire game. But against a zone she has to do a better job knocking down perimeter shots.
 
Williams played 38 minutes today, made 1-6 shots, had 2 assists, and no rebounds. Pretty much seemed satisfied to play D, which she did, and give the ball up almost as soon as she touched it. Kinda strange but the coaches must be satisfied as she seldom comes out of any game.
 
You never seen games like that? You ever play in games like that? It's been part of basketball for years! Where you been?
I'm of the belief that every foul should be called. This stupid strategy of "well they can't call 'em all" is how we got here, and it just escalates until Liv gets her nose broken or the refs finally start calling them in the waning minutes of a close game and then everyone complains about the consistency of the officiating. Physical play is a cheap way of leveling the playing field and it only happens because the refs allow it. Sure it's been going on for years, but it doesn't make it right. The rules are the rules. We're either going to follow them or we're not.
 
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I'm of the belief that every foul should be called. This stupid strategy of "well they can't call 'em all" is how we got here, and it just escalates until Liv gets her nose broken or the refs finally start calling them in the waning minutes of a close game and then everyone complains about the consistency of the officiating. Physical play is a cheap way of leveling the playing field and it only happens because the refs allow it. Sure it's been going on for years, but it doesn't make it right. The rules are the rules. We're either going to follow them or we're not.
The absolute worst games to watch are the ones where the refs are tweeting every 5 seconds. Physical play is part of the game. Basketball is a contact sport. Chippy play is a different matter.
 
I wonder if her bad shooting is allowing defenders to play off her, impeding her drives. She showed a very confident, quick, and decisive first step and the ability to finish with either hand last year and even some early on this year. It was explosive, lethal, and she converted at a really high rate.

I agree that could be part of the problem and I had modified my post to include that.

I have to admit I am getting worried as well. Shooting is shooting and I guess that will get better. On the other hand, her driving to the basket has been non existent lately. I get there is a little sagging off of her due to her outside shooting slump but It is almost as if she is tipping off her drive moves. Never seems to get a step on the defender anymore.:confused:
 
NCAA should have the rules,

2 intentional fouls, remove the coach. If it is the same player with 2 intentional fouls remove both the coach and the player.
3 intentional fouls, remove the assistant coach.
4 intentional fouls,, end the game.
 
I am really concerned about Christyn, wasnt up until now. Her confidence seems to be at an all time low. Shes just too talented to be struggling this much.
Her game is ill-suited for a match-up zone. She can’t drive to the basket when the lane packed and she is a very weak three-point shooter. However, her defense has been much better in the last few games. Still, for her to be on the floor for 38 minutes and Griffin for 13 is mind boggling.
 
The absolute worst games to watch are the ones where the refs are tweeting every 5 seconds. Physical play is part of the game. Basketball is a contact sport. Chippy play is a different matter.
UCF DOES NOT play basketball, it's more like mugball. Almost the whole game Liv was being mugged and the refs let do it until AFTER she got hurt.
 
The absolute worst games to watch are the ones where the refs are tweeting every 5 seconds. Physical play is part of the game. Basketball is a contact sport. Chippy play is a different matter.
Contact sports usually require protective equipment of some kind. There's incidental contact, and then there's intentional contact to gain a competitive advantage. The latter is against the rules unlike a true contact sport like football.

NCAA should have the rules,

2 intentional fouls, remove the coach. If it is the same player with 2 intentional fouls remove both the coach and the player.
3 intentional fouls, remove the assistant coach.
4 intentional fouls,, end the game.
If a player is assessed two flagrant one fouls, I believe they are ejected. A flagrant two foul is an automatic ejection. A coach is ejected if they get two technical fouls, so some of this is already in place. I too am tired of seeing our players beat up because that's how lesser talented teams can even things up a bit. The refs need to call the fouls. If that means UCF ends up fouling everyone out, then so be it. You can't correct bad behavior if you're unwilling to correct bad behavior. Being physical because refs can't call all the fouls should not be an allowed strategy the same way the strategy of having a really tall player simply reach up and grab every ball that's about to go into the hoop isn't allowed.
 
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Last year all she was the third scoring option and this year she started the season being the 2nd. She also started getting much tougher defensive assignments. Sometimes the transition from regular season to post season can be a sort of reset for a player. I still think Williams as a future AA.
Future AA?!! On what basis? Virtually every two guard she has played against this year has played better. No one in the history of college basketball has become an All-American with the kind of FG, 3-point and FT percentages she has so far. Right now, she will be lucky to start on next year’s team; Westbrook didn’t transfer here to sit on the bench.
 
Someone said Anna didn’t have a pull-up and I recalled her hitting pull-ups when she tried. She could shoot more but she is pass oriented, either because that is her freshman mindset or coach ordered. Have you noticed she is more likely to shoot when her teammates are out or struggling? Plus she was once again open several times and ignored, a couple of times by ten feet. I do think she could work herself free a bit more.

Is Aubrey holding the ball too low under the basket allowing her lay-ups to be blocked? I do wonder why with her speed there aren’t more designed plays with her cutting to basket.

Meg had mvp game and Liv played extremely well before nose job.
Two things about Aubrey underneath. One, yes she is holding the ball too low. Two, she never head fakes or pump fakes before she goes up. She has to do that to neutralize the height and length of the defender.
 
Christyn is not going to get many opportunities to drive against a team that plays zone, which UCF did for the entire game. But against a zone she has to do a better job knocking down perimeter shots.
Against the zone her position to start out with is essentially the right wing/corner. Meg is either at the high post or 2 guard position. CW has a great drive move and then pure pull up jumper ( a shot Meg needs to get this summer) but ,as you point out, against the zone that move usually gets taken away. Of all the starters, CW moves the least on offense with Meg surprisingly second although she has been improving lately with the cut to the basket and layup off of the Liv feed to start the second half being an example of that improvement. As Kara Wolters pointed out in the post game, CW didn't have one rebound. Her defense I thought was good but she is not engaged enough in the rest of the game. Shooting slumps end, but if she doesn't move on offense she won't get the variety of offensive opportunities that she can score easily with.
 
I looked at the box scores of prior UCF games and they had fewer fouls in almost all of them. UConn 16 - UCF 13; USF 28 - UCF 16; Cinci 23- UCF 12; UCF 18 - Houston 17; TLSA 24 - UCF 20; SMU 19 - UCF 16; Tem 13 - UCF 11. Got tired of checking. With the way UCF plays, how do these numbers make sense?
 
Future AA?!! On what basis? Virtually every two guard she has played against this year has played better. No one in the history of college basketball has become an All-American with the kind of FG, 3-point and FT percentages she has so far. Right now, she will be lucky to start on next year’s team; Westbrook didn’t transfer here to sit on the bench.
Besides being a focus of the defense, I think the problem with her is that she is a two guard playing in the three position this year and it just doesn't fit her skill set well. Meg is a natural three but had to play the four this year but is both stronger and 3 inches taller than CW so that transition has not been as difficult such as in rebounding which she really worked on. Yes, CW is in a shooting funk but even if she gets hot this season, she still has to contribute all the other things her position requires.
 
I'm of the belief that every foul should be called. This stupid strategy of "well they can't call 'em all" is how we got here, and it just escalates until Liv gets her nose broken or the refs finally start calling them in the waning minutes of a close game and then everyone complains about the consistency of the officiating. Physical play is a cheap way of leveling the playing field and it only happens because the refs allow it. Sure it's been going on for years, but it doesn't make it right. The rules are the rules. We're either going to follow them or we're not.
Games get physical in all types of ways. Sometimes you have players who don't know there own strength( Stacey Hansmeyer ). Players who love the physicality( Nurse, Doty, Elliott and Pattyson)or the players that excelled playing both ways which Uconn had a lot of! They were tougher than the other team by boxing out hard,winning 50/50 balls and just outhustling them the whole game! Liv is not the first player to get a broken nose and won't be the last either. This team has shown hardly any type of toughness this year especially in the games they lost this year!
 
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Besides being a focus of the defense, I think the problem with her is that she is a two guard playing in the three position this year and it just doesn't fit her skill set well. Meg is a natural three but had to play the four this year but is both stronger and 3 inches taller than CW so that transition has not been as difficult such as in rebounding which she really worked on. Yes, CW is in a shooting funk but even if she gets hot this season, she still has to contribute all the other things her position requires.
I am not arguing.

But how are you distinguishing between the 2 vs 3? And I assume you're implying AM is the 2?

If so, what is it that you think AM is doing at the 2 that is taking away from CW's effectiveness? And do you think they can interchange? How would that hurt AM going from 2 to 3? I've always thought of AM as the 3 and CW as the 2.
 
Some thoughts on the UCF game:
  • Senior Day is always bittersweet. It was great to see all 5 seniors start. What was even better was to see that group of seniors come out and battle a tough UCF team, holding them scoreless before the cavalry arrived. I got a little emotional when Touly took that charging foul and then shouted in exhilaration.
  • The cavalry was a little sluggish on offense, which I sort of expected. But UConn’s defense continued to be stifling, holding an opponent to single digits for the 4th straight qtr with only 4 pts.
  • Against an active zone defense like UCF’s, the Huskies really need Liv on the floor. She makes attacking the zone much easier with her presence in the paint. While she didn’t score much in the 3rd qtr, the court opened up for UConn to knock down a bunch of 3’s.
  • Megan really stepped up today with a solid all-around effort, and Anna really picked it up in the 2nd half with a number of big baskets.
  • I’m all for the refs letting the teams “play,” but these games against UCF are just flat-out ugly. The Knights bang you with their bodies, slap you with their hands and throw an occasional elbow to your face, as Liv discovered, with a possible broken nose. UCF is increasingly pushing the envelope from playing physical to dangerous play. The AAC refs need to take control of these games. An ejection or two might send an appropriate message to UCF’s players as well as Coach Abe.
I was hoping Geno would leave the 5 seniors in the game until UCONN fell behind. But it was a classy gesture nonetheless.
 
UCF plays hard in the extreme but clean. Good tuneup for WNBA games, which are likewise rough but clean.
 
I'm distinguishing the positions on the basis of the traditional location of the players. CW is rarely at the top of the key or even on the foul line extended. She is almost always set up against the zone in between the foul line extended and the corner. I don't think Anna's effectiveness has taken away from CW at all. Anna didn't score until the second half and only took two more shots than CW but had 14 more points. She also had 5 boards a block and a steal. CW had none of each. Geno wants Anna handling the ball and initiating because she is a great passer even though she has been very turnover prone her first year. She is also 6'1" and can see over the top of the zone. She also rebounds and starts the break well off the dribble. She is closer to a 2 than CW because of these factors. The 2 is also usually the first player to receive the initiating pass from the PG and that is rare for CW. Perhaps these traditional classifications do not fit as well as they used to, but I think you and I are talking about something a lot bigger, such as why we have had such problems against the bigger teams, why we start so slowly offensively and why the #1 high school player in the country two years ago has become almost a non factor in our games. CW herself has said that she is seeing a lot of double teams this year. The players doing that are the ones near her and guarding her and invariably bigger because of her location on the court.
 
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