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Tyler Polley returning to UConn

Peacefrog said:
Polley gets 20 minutes and Martin gets 10? I'm gonna say you've got that backwards. Martin doesn't handle well or shoot from deep particularly well so he's not going to see much if any time at guard but he's going to get 20 minutes (at 3 & 4). There might be games where Polley gets 20 minutes but I doubt he starts or averages 20 minutes.
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polley didnt come back to get his minutes cut to 15. with whaley and sanogo both starting we cant have a nonshooter at SF, period.
 
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bendm said:
pretty much impossible. cant even attempt the backcourt rotation until the 13th spot is filled. but assuming full health from akok, i think this is our best frontcourt rotation:

SF- polley (20); jackson (15); martin (5)
PF- whaley (15): akok (20); martin (5)
C- sanogo (25); whaley (10); springs (5)

with whaley and sanogo both locked in as 25mpg starters, polley's shooting at SF is the perfect complement. samson is the odd man out but springs and martin are probably not gonna be happy either. just too many mouths to feed and not enough separation.
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I don't see any scenario where Polley gets more minutes than Jackson or Martin. Martin may not get SG minutes this year, but he did last year at times. But we will see.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I don't see any scenario where Polley gets more minutes than Jackson or Martin. Martin may not get SG minutes this year, but he did last year at times. But we will see.
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that's fair but i dont see a scenario where polley doesnt start and average 20mpg. otherwise he'd be playing in europe.

i'm counting on pre-injury form from polley here
 
bendm said:
polley didnt come back to get his minutes cut from 20 to 15. with whaley and sanogo both starting we cant have a nonshooter at SF, period.
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But Martin's minutes are going to plummet from over 30 a game to 10? I think Martin started every game or almost every game and you're predicting mop-up time for him? You can agree to disagree but I'd be interested to hear your explanation on that as I'm sure Martin also didn't choose to return to become a fixture on the bench.
 
Peacefrog said:
But Martin's minutes are going to plummet from over 30 a game to 10? I think Martin started every game or almost every game and you're predicting mop-up time for him? You can agree to disagree but I'd be interested to hear your explanation on that as I'm sure Martin also didn't choose to return to become a fixture on the bench.
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he only averaged 30 because akok didnt play and aj had a slow start. martin can't shoot or pass like polley and aj and he cant block shots like whaley and akok. what does he do better than those guys? it's not ideal i didnt like giving him 10 but something's gotta give. he was also pretty bad all around to end the season.
 
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Awesome news. Another year removed from the ACL tear, I’m expecting some nice things from Tyler this upcoming season
 
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bendm said:
that's fair but i dont see a scenario where polley doesnt start and average 20mpg. otherwise he'd be playing in europe.

i'm counting on pre-injury form from polley here
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Start? Why would he start? He didn't start last year and the same guys are competing for that SF spot. I don't accept your "otherwise". He may have had no real pro options, and maybe loves playing and being at UConn. I expect him to be a reserve shooter when needed. I expect Martin starts at SF initially unless Jackson shows he deserves it.

I'm not convinced Whaley is starting either, not if Akok is healthy.
 
bendm said:
polley didnt come back to get his minutes cut from 20 to 15. with whaley and sanogo both starting we cant have a nonshooter at SF, period.
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Nobody is guaranteed a certain amount of minutes with this team. It will be earned through competition in practice all offseason and season. First time in close to a decade we've had this.
 
upstater said:
I'll say it again: the last several games, Polley rebounded well and played much better D. He's not going to shut down a 6'5" guy driving from the perimeter, but his defense and rebounding have vastly improved.
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I would probably agree with you on defense but the numbers just aren't there rebounding wise, he rebounded less the second half of the season and had a couple of bagel games near the end of the season.
 
bendm said:
pretty much impossible. cant even attempt the backcourt rotation until the 13th spot is filled. but assuming full health from akok, i think this is our best frontcourt rotation:

SF- polley (20); jackson (15); martin (5)
PF- whaley (15): akok (20); martin (5)
C- sanogo (25); whaley (10); springs (5)

with whaley and sanogo both locked in as 25mpg starters, polley's shooting at SF is the perfect complement. samson is the odd man out but springs and martin are probably not gonna be happy either. just too many mouths to feed and not enough separation.
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The leader of minutes on a team averaging 25 is very very unlikely unless we blow everyone out. Most likely, one or more guys will be injured though
 
HuskyHawk said:
Start? Why would he start? He didn't start last year and the same guys are competing for that SF spot. I don't accept your "otherwise". He may have had no real pro options, and maybe loves playing and being at UConn. I expect him to be a reserve shooter when needed. I expect Martin starts at SF initially unless Jackson shows he deserves it.

I'm not convinced Whaley is starting either, not if Akok is healthy.
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but according to your logic, if whaley started last season he should start next season. polley put his name into the nba draft to get feedback (his feedback is gonna be he's not getting drafted but he's def playing overseas if he wants)

i know you dont care about shooting but you should
 
bendm said:
he only averaged 30 because akok didnt play and aj had a slow start. martin doesnt have a natural position. he can't shoot or pass like polley and aj and he cant block shots like whaley and akok. what does he do better than those guys? it's not ideal i didnt like giving him 10 but something's gotta give. he was also pretty bad all around to end the season.
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Uh, he led the team in rebounding. By a comfortable margin. And plays very tough defense. Polley shoots 3-pointers really well but that's all he does. I would say Polley is much more of a guy without a position than Tyrese. His defense and rebounding will demand minutes, some of which will be at the expense of of Polley. Healthy Akok and Jackson will have an impact on Polley's minutes about as much as Martin's, they both get their minutes at the 3-4. I'm really excited to have Tyler back; we really need his shooting. And I hope he can take a leap getting back to full health. I agree with you that something has to give but I really doubt that its's Martin's minutes drop from 30 to 10 while Polley's stay at 20.

There are a ton of players heading to the portal. If Martin had any inkling that he would lose a starting job and/or see his minutes drop to 10, do you think he would be around? I mean this is the type of argument you used for Polley.
 
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Peacefrog said:
Uh, he led the team in rebounding. By a comfortable margin. And plays very tough defense. Polley shoots 3-pointers really well but that's all he does. I would say Polley is much more of a guy without a position than Tyrese. His defense and rebounding will demand minutes, some of which will be at the expense of of Polley. Healthy Akok and Jackson will have an impact on Polley's minutes about as much as Martin's, they both get their minutes at the 3-4. I'm really excited to have Tyler back; we really need his shooting. And I hope he can take a leap getting back to full health. I agree with you that something has to give but I really doubt that its's Martin's minutes drop from 30 to 10 while Polley's stay at 20.
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lets see your rotation. it's not easy. i think if we get pre-injury polley next year, his shooting fits best with whaley and sanogo. it really comes down to that or is everyone already forgetting shooting was our biggest weakness this year? martin's rebounding from the SF spot isnt that important. everyone is also expecting a big jump from aj.
 
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This season didn't end as we had hoped, but you have to wonder how much that one and done tournament showing has influenced the return of Zay and Polley.

Even with the loss of Bouk, we now have returned a huge % of our minutes and scoring. Excited for next year.
 
bendm said:
lets see your rotation. it's not easy. i think if we get pre-injury polley next year, his shooting fits best with whaley and sanogo at the other spots. it's really comes down to that or is everyone already forgetting shooting was our biggest weakness next year?
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RJ 30, Sool 10
Gaff 25, Hawk 10, Martin 5
Martin 25, Polley 10, Akok 5
Whaley 20 , Akok 20
Adama 30, Whaley 10

Competition for the Calrton foul trouble role.
 
bendm said:
but according to your logic, if whaley started last season he should start next season

i know you dont care about shooting but you should
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I care about shooting. I think Polley is, a marginal improvement over Martin as a shooter. He's a massive downgrade as a defender, rebounder, ball handler, passer and overall hustle player.

My logic is that the best guy should start. Sanogo beat out Whaley and Josh at center over time. Whaley started because he was our best 4 with Akok not healthy. With Akok healthy, he is probably our best 4, but they will each need to compete for those minutes and against Springs/Johnson too. Martin or Jackson is easily our best SF, both are far more complete players than Polley. Jackson may get time as a guard as well. Gaffney is, at the moment, our best SG. But Hawkins will compete there, as will Jackson and Martin to some degree. Cole is the best PG, but he has to fight with Gaffney and possibly Diggins for those minutes.

Best guys play.
 
OkaForPrez said:
RJ 30, Sool 10
Gaff 25, Hawk 10, Martin 5
Martin 25, Polley 10, Akok 5
Whaley 20 , Akok 20
Adama 30, Whaley 10
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we're probably adding a 13th guy to the backcourt. where's jackson? akok has never played SF. polley didnt come back after graduating to play 10 mpg when he could go pro overseas.
 
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OkaForPrez said:
RJ 30, Sool 10
Gaff 25, Hawk 10, Martin 5
Martin 25, Polley 10, Akok 5
Whaley 20 , Akok 20
Adama 30, Whaley 10

Competition for the Calrton foul trouble role.
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You are missing Jackson. But this is otherwise decent.
 
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1 RJ 25, Gaff 8 Sool 7
2 Gaff 20, Hawk 10, Martin 10
3 Jackson 20 Martin 10, Polley 10,
4 Whaley 15, Akok 20, Johnson 5
5 Adama 30, Whaley 10

The reality is that matchups will change these dramatically game to game. It's also entirely possible that by January, Hawkins is up to 20+ minutes a game. There is also still a possibly transfer on the way.
 
HuskyHawk said:
1 RJ 25, Gaff 8 Sool 7
2 Gaff 20, Hawk 10, Martin 10
3 Jackson 20 Martin 10, Polley 10,
4 Whaley 15, Akok 20, Johnson 5
5 Adama 30, Whaley 10
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that's an even worse starting lineup than we had this year in terms of shooting...

only 7 mpg for diggins? barf to martin at SG. you said akok was going to start. no springs after 2 years on the bench already? i've said my piece on polley

see how easy it is to crap on other people's rotations.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Did Polley hit on your wife or something? This is a mind-boggling statement. I have a hard time believing that you really think this.
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He is not a good shooter off the dribble, has shown no midrange game, doesn't get to the rim. He can make open threes off the catch. His career FG% is just under 40%. Martin's is 43%. Since that doesn't account for 3's, the eFG% is 51.3% Polley, 49% Martin. A little bit better. Martin's eFG% is the same as Jalen Adams' was.
 
OkaForPrez said:
RJ 30, Sool 10
Gaff 25, Hawk 10, Martin 5
Martin 25, Polley 10, Akok 5
Whaley 20 , Akok 20
Adama 30, Whaley 10

Competition for the Calrton foul trouble role.
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0 minutes for Jackson, Akok at the 3, 10 for Hawkins? I think you're starting to see the trouble coming up with a rotation now
 
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this is assuming jackson gains at least a serviceable jumpshot. if not, his minutes will drop.

by end of season:
1: rj 25, sool 15
2: hawkins 20, gaffney 10, martin 10
3: jackson 20, martin 10, polley 10
4: whaley 20, akok 10, polley 5, johnson 5
5: sanogo 25, whaley 10, akok 5
 
bendm said:
that's an even worse starting lineup than we had this year in terms of shooting...

only 7 mpg for diggins? barf to martin at SG. you said akok was going to start. no springs after 2 years on the bench already? i've said my piece on polley

see how easy it is to crap on other people's rotations.
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I just listed minutes, not starters. I expect Dan to mix and match. If Jackson is at the 3, he needs someone like Akok at the 4. If Sanogo and Whaley are in, maybe Martin is the 3 and Hawkins is the 2. It's a bunch of pieces you move around. I doubt he knows what lineups are going to work. I only crapped on the idea of Polley starting over two guys he didn't start over last year, one of whom Hurley thinks could be a leap to the NBA guy this season. I doubt that Hurley could come up with accurate projections right now.

Best guys (in all phases of the game) will play.
 
All of this rotation minutes allocation stuff is pointless, we're going to have at least 12 guys who could get significant minutes almost anywhere. The season is 7 months away and minutes will be earned through competition. The one thing Hurley needs to stress constantly is pushing pace so we can use all this depth to our advantage and wear our opponents out.
 
Plenty of minutes for the guards.

One of AJ/Rese/Polley will end up on the outside looking in unless Akok is still unplayable, then plenty of minutes as they bolster the 4 spot.

1 of Springs or Johnson will end up getting 15 min or so a game, the other won't. My gut says Johnson gets it. His size and length gives him a lot more of a handicap than Springs getting back into broken plays and switching on the perimeter. Springs has had 2 years and shown very little... not counting on it but hoping he can be a player.

More depth this year than we've had in a while, without a go-to option. I really hope not deferring to Bouk woll result in less iso and more hard cutting, looking for shooters etc.
 
Welcome back Mr. Polley. Please be more consistent. Thank you.
 
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